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Old Posted Oct 22, 2007, 3:53 AM
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Like I said before, if there is a written legal document (which is common practice in lawyer-rich CA) to give the museum everything they want, than so be it. But everything that's been reported is to the contrary. This should be an open and shut case.
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We have a major issue tripping up this important project??? Well there's a big f&*king surprise. Sometimes I really hate this city. Spare me the "If you don't like my city, then leave" lecture neuhicky - I don't want to hear it (well, I don't want to read it).


Here's my opinion of this whole mess:

First of all, let me address the money. I think it is disgusting for Thomas Enterprises to want $700 million from local/state/fed government. Are you kidding me? I am really getting tired of these developers strolling into Sacramento (or any other city, for that matter) and asking for money. If you must have government investment to make your project work, then you should consider a different project. Maybe Thomas should sell plots of land to developers who have a similar vision (retail, high density housing, culture, and entertainment). It looks like Thomas Enterprises is trying to do it all and can't afford to do so (well, not without a government bail-out, that is). If they added more developers to the mix, there may be more (private) money from which to draw. Just an idea. I'm sure it's fraught with problems, but it's better than having to beg from the government. (A potential problem resulting from my idea just came to mind: Instead of having one developer asking for government money, we end up having many developers asking for money....Sh*t! I can't f*&king win.)

This whole issue illustrates my problem with public funding. Basically, it turns the government into the Central Bank, which makes development a political issue, and causes special interests, bureaucrats and lawmakers to get involved. Soon, an already complicated process becomes a huge mess: “Sure, we will give you money, but you must provide half of your centerpiece for a museum (that's right, a museum that closes at 5 pm in an entertainment district). Plus, you must hamstring development and density (no multi-story buildings) in 39 extremely important acres around that centerpiece. If you don't do what we want, then you don't get the money.” Now, of course, nowhere in the bond issue did it mention a quid pro quo, like providing railroad technology museums and vast swaths of buffers; it simply wanted to provide money for infill projects. But the intent means nothing when special interests and their government lapdogs control the purse strings.

What's worse about government funding is as developers beg for more, the government increases the tax burden to pay for more (bonds do add to the tax burden, that's one reason why I vote no on EVERY bond). As more money flows out of the hands of private investors and into the bottomless pit that is government, private investment drops, which causes developers to seek even more from the government. Soon, government becomes a major "decider" for what happens and what doesn't happen. That's not how it should be.

Here comes the big BUT. BUT I am not dead against $300 million for infrastructure (I did not say I liked it, I just said I am not dead against it). After all, isn't that what property taxes are supposed to cover? I have a feeling the government will be more than repaid with the taxes it will assess on that land once it’s developed (in the year 2525). Now, I would prefer minuscule property taxes with developers paying for their own infrastructure, but I have a feeling that's impossible.

Let me address the State’s land claim. This smells really fishy to me. Weintraub’s article implies the claim was made to wrestle control of the shops area (and the acres around it) from Thomas Enterprises. I don’t doubt it. Our government consistently seems to be working in competition with the private sector instead of in cooperation with it. This whole land claim thing is nothing more than a silly political game by the state land commission. Besides, I think it is stupid the state has a claim simply because the American River ran through the area decades ago. I think the claim should only extend to the current riverbed.

I wonder how important that Bass Pro Shop is. Maybe Thomas Enterprises should tell State stick “its” land where the sun don’t shine. I like the idea of a Bass Pro Shop (of course, I’m not a silly hip urban socialist); it would probably make more money and attract more people than Daigle’s little railroad history project. However, if keeping the Bass Pro Shop comes at the expense of the shops area and the land around it, I might come up with a different plan. Hell, you can keep the store, just move it somewhere else and let the state keep its dried up riverbed. This would decrease the scope of a project which already seems too big.

Finally, I want to address the museum and preservation district. I’m not against a technology museum. I think it would certainly add an extra layer of culture and entertainment to the project, and I am sure it would attract a significant amount of people. In fact, I was disappointed to learn Thomas Enterprises is looking to diminish its size. However, I seriously DOUBT the developer would FOOLISHY consider a different plan. I believe Thomas Enterprises has the overall health of the project (not just one aspect of it) in mind. One of the trolls messing up this board mentioned technology museums draw 10 times what history museums draw (they are more than just neat-o, blah, blah, blah, blah). Propaganda alert!!! Who originated that information? The people from the railroad museum? Preservationists? Yeah, they aren’t biased. Even if numbers are true, they hold little water if Thomas can find a different use that attracts more people and makes more money (maybe the Bass Pro Shop can go in the boiler shop). What if Thomas has a plan that would draw 20 times more than a technology museum? Besides, I think the developer wants more of a 24-hour (well, maybe a 12-hour) area with lots of diverse attractions. I’m not sure if dedicating half the square footage of the shops area (the “crown jewel” – whatever) to a museum fits in with that goal.

Instead of abusing the power of government and playing political games, maybe Daigle and her cronies should present Thomas Enterprises with a better plan: A railroad technology museum mixed with a theater, or a dance club, or a restaurant, or all three.

In regard to the historic preservation district, f*&k that! It is unwise to make development even harder with onerous regulations. I think Thomas Enterprises is right to fear mountains of red tape and highly restrictive development guidelines. Isn’t the preservation of the shops buildings enough? Anybody who says the shops buildings need acres of buffer in order to be properly (who defines “properly”?) preserved is a butthole. Come on, they are just buildings. Please, get a life.

It all boils down to this: Although I think it’s ridiculous for Thomas Enterprises to demand $700 million, I think it is worse for Daigle and the preservationists to hold the process hostage.



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About a month ago, a Bee article came out hinting at trouble between Thomas Enterprises and the railroad museum/historic preservationist wackos. In that article Kathy Daigle (one of the leading wackos) said she and her cronies do not intend to stop rail yard development, they just want to make sure it is done right. I find it interesting that “done right” includes Daigle’s own, selfish special interest. I said it before and I’ll say it again, Daigle and her cronies can suck it.
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I'd like to hear the City's stance on the issue. Weintraub's article called for
mediation and Fargo says "I hope things will be okay and i won't have to do
anything" and then Kerridge says "Let's not make any more museum ghettos".

So will the City stand by and hope for the best as Thomas and the State
stand around waiting for the other to throw the next punch? It's decidedly
the city of Sacramento who will benefit the most from seeing this project
is realized.
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This whole issue illustrates my problem with public funding. Basically, it turns the government into the Central Bank

UMM our government is the CENTRAL BANK...are you not aware that the federal reserve is privately owned?


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What's worse about government funding is as developers beg for more, the government increases the tax burden to pay for more (bonds do add to the tax burden, that's one reason why I vote no on EVERY bond). As more money flows out of the hands of private investors and into the bottomless pit that is government, private investment drops, which causes developers to seek even more from the government. Soon, government becomes a major "decider" for what happens and what doesn't happen. That's not how it should be.
what world are you living in? the government already decides what happens and what doesnt happen. And thats fine if you vote no on every bond issue. It makes no difference on lessening the tax burden, cuz the government will spend money even if they dont have it, thats how they end up in the RED.

And by the way ..."Decider" is not a word, contrary to what you know who thinks..

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We have a major issue tripping up this important project??? Well there's a big f&*king surprise. Sometimes I really hate this city. Spare me the "If you don't like my city, then leave" lecture neuhicky - I don't want to hear it (well, I don't want to read it).


Here's my opinion of this whole mess:

First of all, let me address the money. I think it is disgusting for Thomas Enterprises to want $700 million from local/state/fed government. Are you kidding me? I am really getting tired of these developers strolling into Sacramento (or any other city, for that matter) and asking for money. If you must have government investment to make your project work, then you should consider a different project. Maybe Thomas should sell plots of land to developers who have a similar vision (retail, high density housing, culture, and entertainment). It looks like Thomas Enterprises is trying to do it all and can't afford to do so (well, not without a government bail-out, that is). If they added more developers to the mix, there may be more (private) money from which to draw. Just an idea. I'm sure it's fraught with problems, but it's better than having to beg from the government. (A potential problem resulting from my idea just came to mind: Instead of having one developer asking for government money, we end up having many developers asking for money....Sh*t! I can't f*&king win.)

This whole issue illustrates my problem with public funding. Basically, it turns the government into the Central Bank, which makes development a political issue, and causes special interests, bureaucrats and lawmakers to get involved. Soon, an already complicated process becomes a huge mess: “Sure, we will give you money, but you must provide half of your centerpiece for a museum (that's right, a museum that closes at 5 pm in an entertainment district). Plus, you must hamstring development and density (no multi-story buildings) in 39 extremely important acres around that centerpiece. If you don't do what we want, then you don't get the money.” Now, of course, nowhere in the bond issue did it mention a quid pro quo, like providing railroad technology museums and vast swaths of buffers; it simply wanted to provide money for infill projects. But the intent means nothing when special interests and their government lapdogs control the purse strings.

What's worse about government funding is as developers beg for more, the government increases the tax burden to pay for more (bonds do add to the tax burden, that's one reason why I vote no on EVERY bond). As more money flows out of the hands of private investors and into the bottomless pit that is government, private investment drops, which causes developers to seek even more from the government. Soon, government becomes a major "decider" for what happens and what doesn't happen. That's not how it should be.

Here comes the big BUT. BUT I am not dead against $300 million for infrastructure (I did not say I liked it, I just said I am not dead against it). After all, isn't that what property taxes are supposed to cover? I have a feeling the government will be more than repaid with the taxes it will assess on that land once it’s developed (in the year 2525). Now, I would prefer minuscule property taxes with developers paying for their own infrastructure, but I have a feeling that's impossible.

Let me address the State’s land claim. This smells really fishy to me. Weintraub’s article implies the claim was made to wrestle control of the shops area (and the acres around it) from Thomas Enterprises. I don’t doubt it. Our government consistently seems to be working in competition with the private sector instead of in cooperation with it. This whole land claim thing is nothing more than a silly political game by the state land commission. Besides, I think it is stupid the state has a claim simply because the American River ran through the area decades ago. I think the claim should only extend to the current riverbed.

I wonder how important that Bass Pro Shop is. Maybe Thomas Enterprises should tell State stick “its” land where the sun don’t shine. I like the idea of a Bass Pro Shop (of course, I’m not a silly hip urban socialist); it would probably make more money and attract more people than Daigle’s little railroad history project. However, if keeping the Bass Pro Shop comes at the expense of the shops area and the land around it, I might come up with a different plan. Hell, you can keep the store, just move it somewhere else and let the state keep its dried up riverbed. This would decrease the scope of a project which already seems too big.

Finally, I want to address the museum and preservation district. I’m not against a technology museum. I think it would certainly add an extra layer of culture and entertainment to the project, and I am sure it would attract a significant amount of people. In fact, I was disappointed to learn Thomas Enterprises is looking to diminish its size. However, I seriously DOUBT the developer would FOOLISHY consider a different plan. I believe Thomas Enterprises has the overall health of the project (not just one aspect of it) in mind. One of the trolls messing up this board mentioned technology museums draw 10 times what history museums draw (they are more than just neat-o, blah, blah, blah, blah). Propaganda alert!!! Who originated that information? The people from the railroad museum? Preservationists? Yeah, they aren’t biased. Even if numbers are true, they hold little water if Thomas can find a different use that attracts more people and makes more money (maybe the Bass Pro Shop can go in the boiler shop). What if Thomas has a plan that would draw 20 times more than a technology museum? Besides, I think the developer wants more of a 24-hour (well, maybe a 12-hour) area with lots of diverse attractions. I’m not sure if dedicating half the square footage of the shops area (the “crown jewel” – whatever) to a museum fits in with that goal.

Instead of abusing the power of government and playing political games, maybe Daigle and her cronies should present Thomas Enterprises with a better plan: A railroad technology museum mixed with a theater, or a dance club, or a restaurant, or all three.

In regard to the historic preservation district, f*&k that! It is unwise to make development even harder with onerous regulations. I think Thomas Enterprises is right to fear mountains of red tape and highly restrictive development guidelines. Isn’t the preservation of the shops buildings enough? Anybody who says the shops buildings need acres of buffer in order to be properly (who defines “properly”?) preserved is a butthole. Come on, they are just buildings. Please, get a life.

It all boils down to this: Although I think it’s ridiculous for Thomas Enterprises to demand $700 million, I think it is worse for Daigle and the preservationists to hold the process hostage.



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About a month ago, a Bee article came out hinting at trouble between Thomas Enterprises and the railroad museum/historic preservationist wackos. In that article Kathy Daigle (one of the leading wackos) said she and her cronies do not intend to stop rail yard development, they just want to make sure it is done right. I find it interesting that “done right” includes Daigle’s own, selfish special interest. I said it before and I’ll say it again, Daigle and her cronies can suck it.
If you don't like my city, then leave! There, I said it!!!...and I was totally joking! I've actually come to respect your opinions (SHOCKING! I know!). Although, I don't fully agree with you. I will say that I MOSTLY agree with you. I think there's so many great things about Sacramento. But, the whole NIMBY, development-hating, selfish bastards here are almost too much even for me sometimes. I've gotten into quite a few arguments with friends over their perceived anti-development attitudes...until they realize that the solution to the problems they see are the very same smart growth philosophies that they previously claimed to hate. It'll all work itself out. This is not like the Towers! This is a respected, major developer with a LOT of experience who is looking at the single biggest urban redevelopment project in recent American history. Thomas won't give up without a fight and I think he'll end up victorious over the selfish bastards that can't get their head out of their ass enough to realize that the Railyards could easily be the best thing ever to happen to Sacramento if they just LEAVE IT ALONE!!!!! Either way, I think it'll work out! We just need more people like us to speak out against people like Daigle and her brigade of NIMBY's!!!!
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more fuel for the fire...

Nit-pickers stand in city's way
By Marcos Bretón - mbreton@sacbee.com

Sacramento is a city of obstructionists. A city where big ideas are plundered by small interests. A place where people keep their heads down because sticking them up above the pack invites a slap of derision.

Why build beyond ourselves when one can file a lawsuit instead? Or call out the hounds of environmental study? Or hold community meetings where nincompoops drown out viable visions deserving of support? The result? When will we see that vibrant city that always seems five or 10 years from being realized?

It's part of our community DNA, this endemic reflex to obstruct. For example, the core of downtown Sacramento is rotten with blight. The 700 and 800 blocks of K Street are wasting away in a seemingly endless patty-cake of litigation between the city and landowner Moe Mohanna.

In the meantime, a black hole of boarded buildings attracts crime. They press up against the Downtown Plaza like a virus. They cut off Old Sacramento from other sections of downtown where great things are happening. And the local inertia goes deeper.

Mr. Mohanna's business partner is a gent named John Lambeth, who just happens to be chairman of the Executive Committee of the Sacramento Metro Chamber of Commerce. Yes. You read that correctly. One of the lead officers in the group charged with promoting Sacramento is mixed up with the biggest anti-Sacramento mess going. Lambeth says don't talk to him, K Street is "the Moe show." He won't say he agrees with Mohanna on everything, won't criticize the city. In other words, like many others in this town, he plays both sides.

That's one way in which progress is delayed in the capital city, but not the only way. We've been hearing for years how the revamp of the old Union Pacific railyards will remake downtown Sacramento. How typical then that the developer pumping money into the 240- acre site is being nitpicked by preservationists and state agencies seemingly unaware of a simple concept: Development is about making money.

Thomas Enterprises, based in Georgia, has pumped at least $75 million into the railyards, according to tax records. The company is taking a substantial risk. That should count for much more than it does. Instead, you hear a lot of covert sniping about Thomas, innuendo about how mysterious the developer is.

Sure, there are legitimate issues to be raised at the railyards. The details of its design will determine whether the city has an urban showpiece or an eyesore. But there's a fine line between being vigilant and being obstructionist. Let's not forget who is taking the biggest risk at the railyards, who is cutting the biggest checks.

State parks officials and local preservationists are calling for a major expansion of the state railroad museum. Railroad museums are fine in concept – but should they dominate the landscape at the railyards? City Manager Ray Kerridge came by The Bee last week and was very polite in saying a "museum row" probably wouldn't generate enough foot traffic to make the project viable.

Let me be more blunt: The railyards can be a beautiful addition to Sacramento, but the project has to pencil out. Otherwise, the city of our civic dreams will never come to pass.
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Yah, I saw Bréton's story and about fell off of the throne (memo to self: don't read development-related articles in the restroom). Is it my imagination or has Marcos done a 180 on his railyard views or is it his stance on extreme-preservationalistas?
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Whatever happened, he sure got it right. There's no way the museum needs as much space as it thinks it does, and the point of the railyards is to make a vibrant neighborhood, not a historic museum district.
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Whatever happened, he sure got it right. There's no way the museum needs as much space as it thinks it does, and the point of the railyards is to make a vibrant neighborhood, not a historic museum district.
Which is what the City Manager is saying as well. Obviously the population is going to be divided - some are gonna want a huge museum, and others would rather have a huge building for shops and markets and what not. I'm definitely in the camp of not giving a rat's ass about a railroad museum, but I'm also not the only person who lives here. In other words there must be a compromise. The Railyards are huge and the two main shops buildings are huge too. There is room for everyone to get what they need. Thomas gets a viable product, the museum gets their expansion, the people get a museum AND shops.

We can wax on and on about how the museum will generate huge attention and revenue, but the truth is that I'll probably go there once when it opens, and probably never again. It's a very interesting use for a certain demographic, but not everyone. So the people (Bee commenters primarily) who claim that Thomas is hoarding a piece of our history that doesn't belong to them, don't have much of an argument to me. When a developer uses reuses a historic building for retail, it becomes something I can use - something I WILL go to.
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Railyard legacy: Story line could be rewritten to bring a jolt of vitality to downtown railyard By Stuart Leavenworth - sleavenworth@sacbee.com
Published 12:00 am PDT Sunday, October 28, 2007

I've never met Stan Thomas – the Atlanta developer who hopes to remake Sacramento's downtown railyard – but I bet he plays a mean game of poker.

Who else but a risk-taker would buy a 240-acre tract of land that holds enormous potential, but is largely inaccessible and blanketed with piles of toxic waste?

Who else would acquire this land after several other developers have publicly taken a pass on it? Who else would hinge development on obtaining $300 million in public subsidies in the first phase of the project, and $700 million for the remainder?

Who else would make this deal contingent on the city of Sacramento relocating a stretch of railroad track at a cost of at least $40 million?

Finally, who else but a Dixie poker player would pursue such a gamble knowing he had to deal with three wild cards: (1) The state of California. (2) The citizenry and leadership of California's capital. (3) A ruinous downturn in the housing market?

While developers rarely engender much empathy from this quarter, I must admit: I'm starting to feel some pathos for this card player. Not only is he taking on one of the nation's most difficult urban redevelopment projects, but he must contend with the narrative that the Golden State attaches to developers: All of them are evil.

Never mind that Thomas is undertaking a highly risky venture, as opposed to the relatively easy option of converting farm fields into subdivisions. Never mind that this company is actively cleaning up a toxic waste site that, if it were still owned by Union Pacific, would probably sit abandoned for decades.

And never mind that Sacramento may blow a rare chance to do what Portland did with its Pearl District and Denver did in its Lower Downtown Historic District, bringing a renaissance to downtown.

Ignore all that. If we stick with the chosen story line, Thomas must be cast as the mysterious "Georgia developer," as opposed to the reputable developers we have here in California. He must be accused of trampling on the city's history, by not immediately agreeing to cough up two buildings for a railroad technology museum. While we are at it, let's accuse him of seeking to pocket state bond money and turn the railyard into just another shopping mall.

To some degree, Thomas and his team have made it easy for critics to write this story line. A little over a week ago, the company and the city floated plans to exempt 12,000 housing units planned at the railyard from some of the city's affordable housing requirements. Among other things, Thomas wanted future developers to have the option of building low-income housing outside of the 240-acre site.

Thomas officials must have known that this request, coming so late in the game and after so much existing controversy, would enrage housing advocates. It did. The company then backtracked and withdrew the proposal Monday – right before a joint meeting of the city's planning, design and historic preservation commissions. But it was too late. Advocates already had written their script and, at Monday's hearing, one accused Thomas of "wholesale larceny" and "arrogance."

Is the Thomas team arrogant?

Undoubtedly, they've left that impression at times. Yet if Thomas seems overly pushy, many community activists seem hopelessly naïve about the challenges of redeveloping a railyard.

Before a single building is built at this site, the city will first need to relocate existing railroad tracks so two elevated roads can be built over the rails to connect the site with downtown.

While the city engages in a costly, three-year federal review of the track relocation, Thomas officials will be working to secure some of the $300 million in public subsidies they say will be needed immediately for streets, sewers and other infrastructure. Some of this money could come from the $2.85 billion housing bond that voters approved last year. But big projects in Los Angeles and the Bay Area are competing for these funds, which is why Thomas is pushing so hard for quick permit approvals from the city.

"The hurdles are enormous," says Richard Rich, development director for Thomas Enterprises. Ultimately, he and other Thomas officials say, they hope to attract $10 in private investment for every public dollar spent. But the initial infrastructure money will be essential, they say, for leveraging private investors.

Given these challenges, should community activists just roll over and allow Thomas to do whatever it wants?

No, they need to be vigilant.

But a reality check would be helpful. On the most basic level, Thomas and company are engaged in a negotiation with the city. They are prodding and probing, seeing if they can extract concessions that will shave costs for their project. They also are constantly reassessing the viability of the project, given the realities of the current development market and the availability of private financing.

Such considerations appear to be a factor in the current dispute over a railroad technology museum.

Up until earlier this year, supporters of the California State Railroad Museum in Old Sac thought that Thomas would honor a letter of intent – signed by the previous railyard suitor, Millennia Associates – to hand over two historic buildings for the museum project.

But once Thomas took control of the railyard, Rich and Suheil Totah – both of whom previously worked for Millennia – started to take a hard look at the museum proposal, which involved not just one, but two large buildings at the railyard. Soon they were questioning assumptions about how many people the museum would draw and whether a museum would be the best use of both buildings.

Not surprisingly, railroad buffs have now branded the Thomas team as traitors. Feeling betrayed, they have been organizing and seeking allies that might be able to apply pressure on Thomas. These allies, it appears, include the California State Parks and the State Lands Commission, both of which can complicate Thomas' efforts to obtain needed entitlements.

There is no doubt that any redevelopment must honor the railyard's heritage as the western terminus of the transcontinental railroad and an industrial site that helped build the West.

The trouble, however, is the museum's current proposal has too limited of a script. The plans I've seen show one building devoted to refurbishing and painting old locomotives, with a separate main museum space featuring rail technologies of the past and future.

While such an interactive display could be exciting for kids and somewhat interesting for adults, the story needs to be broader. It needs to encompass the whole sweep of western expansion, and the role – good and bad – that the railroads and rail barons played in shaping the modern West. It needs to delve into the contributions of Chinese Americans, Hispanic Americans and other ethnic groups who worked on the railroad but were excluded from working in the shops. Several people made that point at a City Council meeting Tuesday.

Clearly, there's room for a compromise on the railroad museum. Yet as wise observers have suggested to me, that's probably the wrong way to frame the question.

The better question is: Instead of shrinking the vision to simply accommodate Thomas and rail buffs, can we think bigger and grander?

Can we go beyond the current narrowly focused proposals – railroad museum, Pro Bass Shop, etc. – and write a new story line for the railyard? Can we have an imagination that meets our mountains?

How about a museum of the West? Or, how about a college of fine arts or engineering that would bring the area a jolt of youthful vitality?

Undoubtedly, there are people who are harboring even better ideas than these. They haven't yet been heard from. The stakes at the railyard are too big to be dragged down by singular agendas and the normal course of business in Sacramento.

Is it too late to rewrite this script?
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Railyards infrastructure pegged at $745M

Putting roads, sewers, storm drains, water mains and other "backbone" infrastructure and public facilities in The Railyards will cost $745.4 million in today's dollars for the full build-out of the development, well above an initial estimate of $500 million.

That's according to a fiance report released Wednesday from the city of Sacramento.

In that report, regional, state and federal funds are identified as the source for nearly half of those funds, including $150 million in transit bond money that's hotly contested between the state's major development projects.

The Railyards is Atlanta developer Thomas Enterprises Inc.'s plan to put housing, offices and shops on 244 acres of former railroad property north of downtown. The project itself is expected to pay for approximately 23 percent of the infrastructure cost through impact fees and a special financing district.

The city and the Sacramento Housing and Redevelopment Agency expect to pay for the rest through a tax-increment finance district, a street construction tax and fees from the downtown and river districts, among other sources.

The project is expected to be reviewed by the city council on Nov. 20.

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Ouch, thats a pretty penny there. The sad thing is that this is going to drag out into infinity with all the different special interests arguing the details and the price tag is only going to rise.
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Railyard needs $300 million to begin construction, but the money isn't readily found.

As Sacramento races to approve the downtown railyard redevelopment project, city leaders are feverishly trying to cobble together $300 million to get construction started.

The issue of where the money will come from to lay down the backbone of a city center – with streets and sewers and lighting – in the railyard's barren acreage is far from resolved. While there are ongoing debates over a variety of issues, including the size of a proposed railroad technology museum and boundaries for a historic district, money eclipses them all.

"I think everyone right now at the city is focused on whether or not we can get this plane off the ground," said Councilman Rob Fong.

The state has emerged as the potential financial savior, but it is far from clear whether California will provide the amount that developer Thomas Enterprises is seeking.

A study released by the city this week concludes it will cost $745 million over the next 20 years to lay the basic groundwork that will make the redevelopment of the railyard possible.

Included in this total are amenities such as sewers, utilities, streets, parks, a library, community center and light-rail station. They would serve a new urban community of 12,000 housing units, offices and stores.

A smaller first phase, which would include renovating some of the historic central shops and building key streets – could be accomplished for $300 million. This would allow Thomas Enterprises to open the public market and entertainment venues anticipated for the shops, and build some retail buildings topped by housing and offices.

"That's the real heart of the development project; that's what's going to start to create that special place," said Dave Harzoff, the city's economic development manager.

Over time, the finance plan predicts that about three-quarters of the $745 million infrastructure cost will come from the public sector – including $222 million from the city's redevelopment agency.

Another $168 million is to come from private fees levied on development within the railyard. Thomas Enterprises also is spending millions to clean up toxic contamination in the railyard – a task it says will cost $100 million.

"We've fronted a huge amount of money," said Suheil Totah, vice president of Thomas Enterprises. "We can't do this alone. If we combine private money with local, state and federal money, we can make it work."

But the city, which is facing its own fiscal crisis, has little to pitch in up front to get the railyard rolling.

Most of its contribution won't materialize for years. It will come from property taxes generated by the eventual railyard development, parking fees paid in city-owned railyard garages and fees paid for development in the railyard, downtown and the Richards Boulevard area.

The city's first order of business is figuring out how to pay to move the tracks that serve freight and commuter trains, and to renovate the existing depot as the centerpiece of a new commuter transit hub.

"There is really no upfront money from the city to pay for the (development) infrastructure in phase one," Fong said.

Instead, Thomas Enterprises is hanging its immediate hopes on the state of California. The developer is eyeing $150 million from Proposition 1C, which provides money to support "infill" and transit-friendly housing projects.

"It's a very real pot of money, and we're going to be pursuing it aggressively," Totah said.

City officials say the need to secure Proposition 1C money is a big reason they're moving quickly to approve the railyard plan. The development goes to the Planning Commission on Tuesday, and is expected to reach the City Council by early December.

While the criteria for awarding the 1C money are still being written at the state Department of Housing and Community Development, project readiness clearly will be one of them.

But it's uncertain whether Thomas Enterprises will qualify for anywhere near $150 million.

Proposition 1C contains a total of $1.13 billion.

"That's a logical pot of money for the railyard," said Russ Schmunk, deputy director of the state Department of Housing and Community Development.

However, just $395 million of that money is available statewide for this fiscal year. The competition will likely be fierce, and the housing department is considering placing limits on how much an individual project can get.

In the limits under discussion, the railyard could qualify for $37 million in the upcoming fiscal year – far less than the $150 million included in the finance plan.

Schmunk said the issue hasn't been decided.

"It's premature to predict how it's going to turn out," he said.

If the 1C funds don't arrive, it would be up to Thomas Enterprises to shoulder the initial financial burden for constructing the needed improvements to start development, Fong said. The company could be paid back over time as property taxes and other fees generated by the project materialize.

"If it doesn't come through, it means it would really fall to the developer to step into that role," Fong said. "I don't know if they're willing to do that, or if they can."
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Maybe the City of Sacramento can charge Arden Arcade $300 million for their independence? hehe.
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I'm always afraid that the Railyards might end up looking like 'The Gateway' in SLC. I was looking at some photos of 'The Gateway' and I'm not at all impressed. I find nothing urban about it. It looks like a mall with drive through streets lol. It justs looks too 'plaza like' and the architecture reminds me of Natomas. Tuscan like.
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Maybe the City of Sacramento can charge Arden Arcade $300 million for their independence? hehe.

what does the city of sac have to do with arden arcade......its in the county of sac.....

and 300 million from the state at a time where the state deficit is again reaching double digits billions doesnt seem likely.
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and 300 million from the state at a time where the state deficit is again reaching double digits billions doesnt seem likely.



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Process to OK railyard at issue
Some question whether enough oversight remains now that development is on a fast track.
By Terri Hardy - thardy@sacbee.com
Published 12:00 am PST Friday, November 9, 2007

The opportunity to finally develop the long-dormant, immensely toxic 240-acre downtown railyard into a neighborhood with shops, museums, and housing has put the city in a precarious balancing act.

How do Sacramento officials encourage developer Thomas Enterprises to transform one of the largest infill sites in the country, while keeping sight of the public's interests? How much city incentive is too much?

A line in the sand was drawn recently after the city floated a controversial idea to let railyard building projects bypass reviews by the planning, design and preservation commissions in order to speed the development through the approval process.

Outcry from commission members and residents prompted a compromise, but some remain worried that crucial oversight is in jeopardy.

The new approval process, which would eliminate review by the planning commission, will be considered by that group next week. Ultimately, the City Council will decide whether to adopt the new system.

"This has been pretty disconcerting for everybody, the commissioners and people in the community," said Karen Jacques, a member of the city's Preservation Commission.

"The railyards are so critical to this city and if done right it will be an incredible boon," Jacques said. "The public really does have a role to play. We're the taxpayers and it's our community and we have a process already that's credible and real."

Assistant City Manager Marty Hanneman acknowledges the city is trying to perform a juggling act between Thomas Enterprises – and its interest in streamlining a costly undertaking – and the desire by community members to help shape a key project. He said he believes the city has found the right balance of oversight and innovation.

"We want to ensure we always get community input on any project," Hanneman said. "For the developer, time will be money. We want to do what we can so Thomas or whatever developer knows the process and there are no surprises or gotchas."

Thomas needs about $300 million to start construction. But with a deficit of $45 million to $55 million looming for fiscal year 2008-09, the city isn't able to do much up-front financially, Hanneman said. However, he said there are other carrots the city can provide.

For example, the city has agreed to let Thomas provide 51 acres of parks and open space rather than the 110 acres that normally would be required under city guidelines based on the projected population for the new community.

City leaders also are considering reducing the $17 million Thomas normally would owe up front in park impact fees.

The city last year put together a deal to provide Thomas $55 million so the developer could finalize its purchase from Union Pacific. And since then, at Thomas' behest, the entire railyard plan is moving at warp speed through city channels to allow it to compete for state bond money to build streets and other infrastructure.

The basic development plan is slated to go before the City Council in December.

Over the years, the city has watched as potential development suitors for the railyard, a Superfund toxic cleanup site, showed interest but then withdrew. Thomas has remained committed, spending six years and $40 million in planning, negotiations and legal expenses.

The developer is proposing an urban community that would include a regional transportation hub, renovation of the historic railroad shops and 12,000 housing units.

Suheil Totah, vice president of Thomas Enterprises, said that while the approval process is moving quickly now, the project has been years in the making. For the company, he said, it's high time to secure approvals so it can seek funding from the state and other sources, and market the site to potential tenants.

"We've had hundreds of meetings with community groups. We believe the project has been vetted," Totah said.

At Thomas' request, the city began looking at streamlining its project approval process last spring. The newest version would require developers to go before the design board or preservation commission to discuss their plans before filing an application. That would allow public input and early detection of troublesome aspects, said Greg Bitter, the city planner overseeing the project.

"Developers are most flexible in the early stages if they get feedback that they're on the wrong track," Bitter said. "The goal is that they'll know the issues up front and won't have to go through the back-and-forth."

After an application is submitted, most projects would get further review from the city's design or preservation director. Only the city's planning manager would be required to give approval, and his decisions could be appealed to the City Council. The exception would be when projects are within the railyard's historic district. Then, the preservation commission also would have a vote.

Bitter said city officials are comfortable with the change because citizens were involved in the initial planning process, helping develop the design guidelines that will govern construction.

Some city activists say they like the idea of allowing commissions to weigh in early. However, they want the city to evaluate the process as it evolves to make sure it's effective.

"I want to know if (the early board input) results in meaningful changes to the projects," Jacques said. "If that doesn't happen, if those comments are just shelved, the changes won't make sense."

Another controversial decision was made in 2003 when city officials agreed the developer would not be held to the city's park and open space standards, as set out by California's Quimby Act.

The rationale, said Jim Combs, head of city Parks and Recreation, is that urban land is more scarce and costly to develop than suburban land. Once streets and other infrastructure are built at the 240-acre railyard site, he said, Thomas has only about 95 acres of developable land. Under the city's typical park regulations, 110 acres would have to be set aside for parks – an unrealistic expectation, Combs said.

Robert Waste, a public policy professor at California State University, Sacramento, said he is nonetheless concerned at the special treatment. Park requirements are a part of doing business, he said, and state law allows developers to pay fees in lieu of providing acreage.

A former planning commissioner, Waste says be believes the railyard plan overall is moving forward too quickly.

Said Waste: "This is the largest infill project in the history of Sacramento; better to do it right than to do it fast."
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