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Old Posted Oct 14, 2017, 12:16 AM
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More interesting is that Pittsburgh ranked in the top tier (#12). It somewhat confirms Pittsburgh's uniqueness as a small (compared to most other cities on the entire List) city, which significantly outweighs its peers in tech talent. Good for PA.
Not only that, but both cities are moving up on the list. PA is luck to have two amazing research clusters in University City and Oakland. It's what is keeping us from having a dismal outlook like some other states that will not be named.
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For fucks sake. There are hundreds of other buildings throughout Philadelphia that should be historically designated, and are not.... yet they waste their time designating this????

This building is nothing special at all. All we're doing is complicating development. Philadelphia LOVES to make development complicated.
Fun fact: Some moron designated that ugly monstrosity the United Way occupies on the Parkway historic. That's gonna be a major headache if (when?) somebody wants to redevelop that whole block, given that it occupies roughly half of it.
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Not only that, but both cities are moving up on the list. PA is luck to have two amazing research clusters in University City and Oakland. It's what is keeping us from having a dismal outlook like some other states that will not be named.
Not only that, but we have universities in practically every midsize city in the state (Reading's got Albright, Lancaster's got um something named after some Revolutionary War guys I think, the Lehigh Valley's got Muhlenberg and Lehigh, Easton Lafayette, Scranton er Scranton, and so on) as well as an excellent midlevel public system. I kinda think our education system stacks up well against e.g. California's.
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Old Posted Oct 14, 2017, 5:25 AM
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Historical significance is relative. If a 3 story shit rubble of only 50 years and already abandoned is set to be replaced by a trophy building set to last 100 years then the new building is already more historically significant without even being built.

Imo there should be two levels of historical registration. Those buildings which are virtually irreplaceable and those which must be replaced with something set to be more historically significant.The former list should be extremely hard to get on, ie nothing less than 200 years old.
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Old Posted Oct 14, 2017, 5:39 AM
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More interesting is that Pittsburgh ranked in the top tier (#12). It somewhat confirms Pittsburgh's uniqueness as a small (compared to most other cities on the entire List) city, which significantly outweighs its peers in tech talent. Good for PA.
Indeed, glad to see that. Though the size of Pittsburgh's city proper is a bit misleading. The metropolitan area is 2.5 million people, so it's not so much of an outlier compared to some other cities on that list. I mean, I get your point, it is a little bit ;-)
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Historical significance is relative. If a 3 story shit rubble of only 50 years and already abandoned is set to be replaced by a trophy building set to last 100 years then the new building is already more historically significant without even being built.

Imo there should be two levels of historical registration. Those buildings which are virtually irreplaceable and those which must be replaced with something set to be more historically significant.The former list should be extremely hard to get on, ie nothing less than 200 years old.
Even more annoying is the fact that it is just the facade that is designated as historic. That is completely odd to me: I'd like to see them try to designate the *interior* of a building as historic but not its facade, then they'd make the argument that you can't separate the two. So why can you separate them when it's the exterior in question? Either the building is historic or it isn't, you can't pick and choose.
Also it means that that shitty seafoam green exterior is going to have to be integrated into whatever is built there. Bad, bad move, Historic Commission.
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Old Posted Oct 14, 2017, 3:18 PM
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Also, here is some ouija board and tea-leaf reading saying that Philly and Austin are the 2 top contenders for Amazon:
https://www.bisnow.com/national/news...location-80273
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Also, here is some ouija board and tea-leaf reading saying that Philly and Austin are the 2 top contenders for Amazon:
https://www.bisnow.com/national/news...location-80273
Obviously glad for the press. But what's interesting about this particular analysis is that it doesn't define how the data points are calculated. I mean, it says Portland scores the highest in Transportation (above NYC even) and NYC has the highest score for quality of life.

Seriously?

Point being, these things always reflect the biases of the authors more than anything else.

In short. The author thinks it should go to Austin, because that's what everyone is supposed to believe and that's where pop culture would suggest it goes. But the statistics, if they were done honestly, would show Philly as a clear favorite. But instead, they probably got that result and said, NO. How can we tweak this. So they go back and massage arbitrary metrics like "quality of life" to make Philly come out worse.

Also, Atlanta has the second highest score for Human Capital? No.

Anyways. I like our chances a lot.

I think Austin is eliminated based on lack of transportation and the lack of will to solve the problem. Texas might be super business friendly, but Austin is already a sprawling gridlocked city without meaningful public transportation. This will only make it worse. And it's almost as expensive as Seattle as is.

I really think the two top contenders are us and Atlanta. They're two very different choices and culturally two very different places, but they meet most of the requirements. We meet them in a more genuine way, but Atlanta has made some meaning progress toward fixing their shortfalls where they exist (in terms of transportation, etc). It's still congested AF there though.
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Obviously glad for the press. But what's interesting about this particular analysis is that it doesn't define how the data points are calculated. I mean, it says Portland scores the highest in Transportation (above NYC even) and NYC has the highest score for quality of life.

Seriously?

Point being, these things always reflect the biases of the authors more than anything else.

In short. The author thinks it should go to Austin, because that's what everyone is supposed to believe and that's where pop culture would suggest it goes. But the statistics, if they were done honestly, would show Philly as a clear favorite. But instead, they probably got that result and said, NO. How can we tweak this. So they go back and massage arbitrary metrics like "quality of life" to make Philly come out worse.

Also, Atlanta has the second highest score for Human Capital? No.

Anyways. I like our chances a lot.

I think Austin is eliminated based on lack of transportation and the lack of will to solve the problem. Texas might be super business friendly, but Austin is already a sprawling gridlocked city without meaningful public transportation. This will only make it worse. And it's almost as expensive as Seattle as is.

I really think the two top contenders are us and Atlanta. They're two very different choices and culturally two very different places, but they meet most of the requirements. We meet them in a more genuine way, but Atlanta has made some meaning progress toward fixing their shortfalls where they exist (in terms of transportation, etc). It's still congested AF there though.
The Moody's Analytics chief economist, Mark Zandi, also wrote a piece for the Inquirer stating that Amazon should build in Philly. http://www.philly.com/philly/busines...-20170922.html

So if there was any bias in this analysis, it was probably in Philly's favor.
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Old Posted Oct 16, 2017, 6:50 PM
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Also, here is some ouija board and tea-leaf reading saying that Philly and Austin are the 2 top contenders for Amazon:
https://www.bisnow.com/national/news...location-80273
Sources say Amazon has been in discussions to buy Millville Corporate Airport. Leading to speculation that NJ , South Jersey + Camden may be a legitmate candidate.

This is a situation where Philadlehias complex regional structure really does it no favors. You have 1 region divided into 3 seperate states(Pa-NJ-De) competing for the same prize and NJ and De capital cities are much closer to Philadlephia than its own state capital.
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Old Posted Oct 16, 2017, 7:23 PM
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The Duke of York and William Penn now accepting complaints regarding the division of the region between three colonies.

I'm not sure how Millville would betoken anything beyond a distribution center.
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The deadline for submission is Thursday. Has Amazon given any indication of when they will make a decision?
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The deadline for submission is Thursday. Has Amazon given any indication of when they will make a decision?
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Business Insider's "Craziest" proposals for Amazon. Not sure why they call ours that, but it's the headline image of this article.
http://www.businessinsider.com/amazo...ls-hq2-2017-10
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Business Insider's "Craziest" proposals for Amazon. Not sure why they call ours that, but it's the headline image of this article.
http://www.businessinsider.com/amazo...ls-hq2-2017-10
Maybe they mean "crazy good"? Other than that, there's absolutely NO reason for Philly to be on that list.
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Yeah, but at what time?
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Maybe they mean "crazy good"? Other than that, there's absolutely NO reason for Philly to be on that list.
It's just a clickbait headline, there's nothing "crazy" about any of those things, other than the no-name city that said it would rename itself Amazon.
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It's just a clickbait headline, there's nothing "crazy" about any of those things, other than the no-name city that said it would rename itself Amazon.
I thought the bullet train station development in Dallas was a bit out there.
More to the point, it lists 2 Dallas proposals and 3 Philly proposals, when we know that the final proposals will only have one per city. So this article jumps the gun a bit, but I thought it was interesting to see what other cities are considering.
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The deadline for submission is Thursday. Has Amazon given any indication of when they will make a decision?
Some time in 2018 according to the RFP.

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