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Old Posted Apr 20, 2018, 2:14 PM
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While the red states do have their fair share of NIMBY's, when they want something built, it usually gets built. Freeways or mass transit lines alike. . . can't really say the same about California unfortunately.
California has 39 miles of mass transit being currently constructed: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=198794

There is only 2 miles of mass transit being currently constructed in total for red states. If you add commuter rail, streetcar and intercity there's a bit more than 2 miles for red states, but California's total still is higher than all red states put together.
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Old Posted Apr 20, 2018, 6:47 PM
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Red states usually don't want to raise necessary taxes to fund anything. Look no further than the teacher strikes and protests in West Virginia, Oklahoma, Kansas, Kentucky, and Arizona. If California is viewed as an f'ing joke by some people, they should seriously consider moving elsewhere in order to make more room for those who want to be here.
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California has 39 miles of mass transit being currently constructed: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=198794

There is only 2 miles of mass transit being currently constructed in total for red states. If you add commuter rail, streetcar and intercity there's a bit more than 2 miles for red states, but California's total still is higher than all red states put together.
Texas alone has hundreds of miles of freeway under construction.

That's not really the point though, both Red and Blue states have their issues. The issue with Red states isn't absurd regulations, it's that they won't raise taxes to fund new projects. This isn't a thread about a project in a state with low taxes though so that point isn't really relevant here.
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Old Posted Apr 21, 2018, 5:43 AM
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Yawn. Wake me up when California actually allows more people to live near transit. Otherwise, the land use policies in this state are no different than Dallas, if not worse. Killing SB827 is a sign to the country that California isn't serious about solving our excruciating housing crisis.
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California has 39 miles of mass transit being currently constructed: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=198794

There is only 2 miles of mass transit being currently constructed in total for red states. If you add commuter rail, streetcar and intercity there's a bit more than 2 miles for red states, but California's total still is higher than all red states put together.
Texas I believe can be considered a red state, and presently FWTA is building and testing the 27 mile long TexRail line. El Paso is building and testing 5 miles of streetcar lines. DART has just completed the DEIS for the 26 mile long Cotton Belt line, Texas Central is finalizing its FEIS for the 240 mile long HSR line.

That's significantly much more than just the 2 miles you suggest in Texas alone.
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Old Posted Apr 21, 2018, 7:24 AM
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Texas I believe can be considered a red state, and presently FWTA is building and testing the 27 mile long TexRail line. El Paso is building and testing 5 miles of streetcar lines. DART has just completed the DEIS for the 26 mile long Cotton Belt line, Texas Central is finalizing its FEIS for the 240 mile long HSR line.

That's significantly much more than just the 2 miles you suggest in Texas alone.
Finishing reports is not under construction. There are a lot of California reports that have been completed, such as the Gold Line extension, LAX people mover or Purple Line phase 3. I already said if you add commuter, intercity and streetcar lines it is more than 2 miles, but I also did not add those for California either, in which case California would likely still exceed the total for red states given the HSR under construction.
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Old Posted May 16, 2018, 7:07 AM
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California has 39 miles of mass transit being currently constructed: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=198794

There is only 2 miles of mass transit being currently constructed in total for red states. If you add commuter rail, streetcar and intercity there's a bit more than 2 miles for red states, but California's total still is higher than all red states put together.
While that sounds all nice on paper, have a drive through SoCal. Almost anywhere really. Then one might think that the number you gave should be triple that. It's a miracle anything gets built in California at all with all of the NIMBY's and red tape. The new Bay Area bridge proposal, if that thing even breaks ground with current rules and regulations in place within two or more decades, lets meet for a beer and I'll eat a hat.

I stand by my comment and by no means am I saying red states are superior to blue ones. It is an observation I have picked up through my hobby of following infrastructure projects around the U.S. The U.S. in general is starting to severely fall behind countries like Japan, Spain, Norway, China, etc. when it comes to building mega projects anymore. Hopefully we fix that soon.

But on the topic of how much mass transit is being funded in Texas vs. California, my statement is still valid. I said rail lines AND freeways. I would expect California to be more supportive of mass transit than Texas.

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Old Posted May 16, 2018, 7:18 AM
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Red states usually don't want to raise necessary taxes to fund anything. Look no further than the teacher strikes and protests in West Virginia, Oklahoma, Kansas, Kentucky, and Arizona. If California is viewed as an f'ing joke by some people, they should seriously consider moving elsewhere in order to make more room for those who want to be here.
I am from Oklahoma and still follow it and Texas closely. You are completely wrong about your assumption that red states don't want to raise taxes to fund things. It happens in Oklahoma almost every year. Sure, you have your anti tax crowd, but that is the case in California too.

Oklahoman's are fed up and a recent sooner poll showed that the majority of Oklahoman's favored tax increases to fund education.

https://soonerpoll.com/news9newson6-...pport-walkout/

In this link, you will see Oklahomans(more specifically ones that are republicans)support the teachers walkout and even supported them getting even more money after they were given a raise. In OKC voters overwhelmingly voted to keep higher taxes in place to fund more transit and road infrastructure. Same thing with my hometown of Edmond.

In that link I gave you, it even shows the majority of Oklahomans oppose the Coburn's tax increase repeal bill, kind of like the one that is circulating through California to repeal the gas tax, one that I oppose at that because I don't think money generated by cars should be going towards transit, or at least the amounts of it that are going towards transit. But that's a whole different discussion.

Oklahoma got a shitty deal anyways with their education system and that is something that needs to be worked. I am in no way saying Oklahoma is a good government model. You won't need to look any further than me to find someone who is very quick to criticize the state and its conservative ways. But red states up taxes all the time to fund projects and construction, most of it is just for roads.
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Old Posted May 16, 2018, 7:21 AM
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Yawn. Wake me up when California actually allows more people to live near transit. Otherwise, the land use policies in this state are no different than Dallas, if not worse. Killing SB827 is a sign to the country that California isn't serious about solving our excruciating housing crisis.
Killing SB287 is about the best thing the state has done in recent history. There would have been a lot of unintended consequences to that are there are plenty of solutions other than a one size fits all blanket "solution."
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Old Posted May 16, 2018, 7:23 AM
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Texas I believe can be considered a red state, and presently FWTA is building and testing the 27 mile long TexRail line. El Paso is building and testing 5 miles of streetcar lines. DART has just completed the DEIS for the 26 mile long Cotton Belt line, Texas Central is finalizing its FEIS for the 240 mile long HSR line.

That's significantly much more than just the 2 miles you suggest in Texas alone.
DART is also in the planning stages of a subway and I believe Austin is gearing up for a light expansion as well. DART also has a fairly large light rail expansion in the works, IIRC. Unlike California's HSR, if the one in Texas actually breaks ground, it will actually be completed and much faster than the timeline for CAHSR.
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Old Posted Jun 12, 2018, 10:31 AM
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Killing SB287 is about the best thing the state has done in recent history. There would have been a lot of unintended consequences to that are there are plenty of solutions other than a one size fits all blanket "solution."
How can you complain about unnecessary bureaucratic red tape and still be opposed to SB287
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