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There are three new jail towers planned, all roughly the same height:

Manhattan jail in the Civic Center

Brooklyn jail on the site of the existing Brooklyn jail

Queens jail in Kew Gardens, near the Courts and Borough Hall
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Always love it when the NIMBYs bring signs....


http://tribecatrib.com/content/city-...l-80-centre-st

City Officials Get Earful from Residents on Proposed New Jail at 80 Centre St.


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sorry manhattan but you gotta pick up your share of the slack in closing rikers.

i hope they incorporate rikers into lga someday.
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sorry manhattan but you gotta pick up your share of the slack in closing rikers...
Agreed. Unless these people are providing alternatives to this, this is just a waste of everyones time and frankly, shouldn't be allowed. Reminds me of something from Parks and Rec.
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And you can't win really. If this was placed somewhere in DoBro or Flushing or Rego Park, you could rest assured the unemployed and disheveled older folks would be out protesting this.

Prisoners have to be housed as Rikers is shutting its doors. Thus we need a location. Thus... it has to be somewhere in this city! But no matter where you place it, they will be out to complain!

And its not like they are building a sprawling complex. Its in a tower. Not taking up blocks of land.

Either way, something will get built. This is just chatter thats all. If the city needs it, the city will get it.

Unless they work some deal out with NJ, and fund an expansion in NJ (Essex County for example) and somehow allocate a certain % of NY tax money to fund it. But that would be complicated.
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I know there's a knee jerk reaction to dismiss any Nimby backlash on this forum but Prisons are a little different. Make no mistake, this will be an ugly windowless 40 story building, on a very prominent site. Prisoners and inmates and our justice system will suddenly be really visible in this city- Where it currently doesn't register with us at all. It's more then fair to question this plan.

The city could come up with a better location, the other requirement besides being in Manhattan is it needs to be close to the courts. There's such an opportunity to remake the Demilitarized zone around 1 Police Plaza, incorporate the prison and a new police headquarters in that area. That area has a little bit of a buffer from the surrounding area.

Wherever this does get built (If it does- this plan Deblasio's pushing will cost a fortune). I feel Chicago's MCC is the best we can hope for aesthetically.
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So I spent some time reading about all this.. including learning about "the Tombs" in Manhattan and their history.
I don't see how splitting up Rikers into several jails will change anything without an institutional overhaul. Rikers is already a complex of many buildings. And back when NYC had these smaller "city jails" (aka the Tombs) they also had major issues with abuse and inmate violence.

I also agree with people not wanting to live near this. We have a city skyscraper jail in Chicago and land value is low surrounding it. There's no way around it.
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Let's not delve into the issue of closing rikers, that's another issue for another thread.

As for the new prison and NIMBYs, there are two things in the city that rile people up more than skyscrapers - prisons and homeless shelters. This location is close to the courts, and anywhere else you try to move it, the people aren't going to welcome it with open arms. I'm pretty sure the NIMBYs there would be up in arms over a regular 40-story building, but this one had the added bonus of a prison.




Left: 80 Centre Street, seen from the corner of Worth and Baxter Streets. Right: The north tower of the Manhattan Detention Center. Once decommissioned, the city says it will be available for an as community use, yet to be determined.





Map by the city shows 80 Centre Street (outlined in red) and the area that will studied (the dotted line) in an analysis of the environmental impact of the jail. A public meeting on the draft scope of that study will be held on Sept. 27.
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http://thevillager.com/2018/09/20/no...wntown-prison/

'No jail!’ Boos drown out hearing on Downtown prison




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At a packed town hall last Wednesday evening, Downtowners blasted Mayor Bill de Blasio’s plan to build a 40-story jail in Chinatown as a part of the initiative to close Rikers Island.
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"Closing Rikers Island, in my view, is a laudable goal,” said Nicholas Stabile, a board member of Chatham Green Cooperative, on Park Row. “But the process that the mayor employed to achieve this goal, it focuses only on half the equation: the people inside the jail. It ignores the other half of the equation: the people in the surrounding community.

“There was not a single slide up there about who’s in the community, how this affects the community, and what is going to happen,” Stabile said. “Like, honestly — what were you thinking?”
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Local politicians, while all supporting the larger goal of closing Rikers Island, slammed the process thus far.

“I do believe that we need a different system than Rikers,” Brewer told the audience. “You have to have a process to get to a good end point. I listen but I am frustrated.

“I may disagree with you on whether or not there should be a jail,” Brewer said, “but I will never disagree that there should be a community process that has lots of time in order to have your input.”
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The borough president said the city’s intention to hold one Uniform Land Use Review Procedure, or ULURP, for all four jails should be stopped through a zoning change in each borough to allow for four separate ULURPs.

Councilmember Chin contended that the proposal “is not a done deal.”

“Right now, it’s so important to really hear what the community concerns [and] community needs are,” Chin said. “And that’s what we’re doing now.”

The audience was then supposed to break out into workshop sessions after the public comments, but the comment period and protests ate up all the time the city had at the venue, P.S. 124, at 40 Division St., in Chinatown. Chin suggested perhaps smaller follow-up meetings would allow for further detailed dialogue and feedback.

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https://documentedny.com/2018/09/25/...st-everything/

What Does Chinatown Hate About the Plan to Close Rikers? Almost Everything
Concerns about transparency, health, and political neglect have residents fighting back.


SEP 25, 2018
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...when the city’s roadmap was released August 15, Chinatown residents were stunned. The Manhattan facility would not be a modification of the nearby Manhattan Detention Complex, as many expected. It would be a new, 40-story jail complete with ground-level retail at 80 Centre St., right on Chinatown’s southern boundary.
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“Most of us think that they already have the thing decided,” said Chu. “All these gatherings are just window dressing.”

His resentment has deep roots. More than three decades ago, the city, under the Koch administration, expanded Chinatown’s current detention complex (known as “The Tombs”) with a nine-story tower. Thousands of Chinatown residents had marched on Centre St. The resistance and defeat over The Tombs are woven into the neighborhood’s history. The latest plan, said one resident, is “the same shit as 34 years ago.”

“They can’t fix the problems from the source, and we become the sink,” said Joe, a 50-year Chinatown resident who asked that his last name be withheld. “Let’s dump it in the South Bronx. Let’s dump it in Queens. Let’s dump it in Chinatown.”
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The hearing September 12 did little to soothe the anger. Initially, the city publicly announced it would renovate MDC. On August 2, a closed-door meeting birthed news that two Manhattan sites were under consideration for a new facility. Less than two weeks later, the official Rikers plan was released. The city had chosen to build at 80 Centre St.

Since then, there’s been little clarification about whether the plan is a certainty. At an emergency hearing called shortly after the announcement, the mayor’s office called it a “done deal,” yet Margaret Chin’s office described it otherwise.

“It’s not a done deal,” said Chin’s spokesman. “It still needs City Council approval. Councilmember Chin needs a lot more information to get her support.”



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Total failure to understand high rise engineering and development process. This isn't a city that has 3rd world building codes and engineering standards. Unsafe? Hasn't been built yet and would have to be designed and engineered. Untested ? Surely I'd hope the building wouldn't be tested once built, normally, would indicate probability of collapse. This is all rubbish. Judging something before it exists.

Developer land grab? Property is city owned. Not a land grab...

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Oh for hump's sake...Why can't the City just create a big-ass offshore max security prison and dock it off the Arthur Kill power station in Staten Island?

Alcatraz on an ocean liner, perhaps...
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IF this is approved, I'm intrigued how this will change census numbers and the characteristics of Chinatown.

It's not just the inmates. How many people will this 40-story skyscraper employ? There are 24hr correctional officers "New York's Boldest." Then there are medical, legal aid, and administrative staff. Family visitations will add additional traffic to the nearby neighborhoods. It will make an already busy area even busier.
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sorry manhattan but you gotta pick up your share of the slack in closing rikers.

i hope they incorporate rikers into lga someday.


If not then turn it into a park, museum, and luxury housing at a density that would make residents of the former Walled City of Kowloon blush.
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I don't want to get into what's going on at Rikers here, that's a different issue.
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https://nypost.com/2018/11/28/plans-...nhattan-nixed/

Plans to build high-rise jail in Lower Manhattan nixed



80 Centre St., Manhattan


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November 28, 2018


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City officials on Wednesday announced that they’re scrapping plans to build a high-rise jail in Lower Manhattan in favor of refurbishing the current detention complex known as “The Tombs.”

In August, officials said they were leaning toward erecting a 40-floor tower at 80 Centre St. — which houses the city marriage bureau and state courts.

“We found that the challenges associated with relocating various offices at 80 Centre Street would make siting a jail there far more complicated and more costly than we originally anticipated,” said City Hall spokeswoman Natalie Grybauskas. “As we met with the community, it became clear that the original site we considered better addressed their needs without the costly challenges created by using 80 Centre, and we are reverting our site selection to the Manhattan Detention Complex.”

The Tombs complex would need to be expanded from its current capacity of 900 to house the estimated 1,500 detainees that would be moved there once Rikers Island is shuttered in about 10 years.
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Had a feeling this would probably not happen. Can't say I'm disappointed.
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Had a feeling this would probably not happen. Can't say I'm disappointed.
It's not happening at that planned location. They're going back to plan A (the original location). And there's still the issue of the jails in Brooklyn and the Bronx. I don't think the community is going to be happy with what the city eventually comes forward with in Manhattan. Nobody wants a larger jail in their neighborhood. Put it somewhere else, and they'd be ok with it. Just not in their backyard.
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Oh for hump's sake...Why can't the City just create a big-ass offshore max security prison and dock it off the Arthur Kill power station in Staten Island?

Alcatraz on an ocean liner, perhaps...
That's already been done! In NYC actually.


Image of New York's Prison Ship, "Bain Correctional Center"


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Docked off the Bronx in Long Island Sound, the Vernon C. Bain Correctional Center prison barge is recognized by the Guinness Book of World Records as the largest operational prison ship in the world. Yet many New Yorkers might be surprised to find out it exists.
Source: Gizmodo.com. The World's Largest Floating Prison Is In NYC
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First the hotel we got married in (Park Lane) is going to (eventually) be knocked down for a new apartment tower and now the State Office building that we got our marriage license ...is going to be knocked down to build a clink. What next? Tear down Yankee Stadium?
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