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Old Posted Mar 27, 2012, 10:19 PM
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Ya I laughed when I read his comment. Does he think everybody is home with there lights on when he drives by? What a ridiculous statement.

OMG look, NYC is full of vacant spaces.
People say the same thing about Vancouver. I live in a highrise that is pretty much 100% occupied yet you will never see a time where a 100% of the lights are on at the same time. The analogy is retarded at best.
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Old Posted Mar 27, 2012, 10:34 PM
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Really the only time you can use lights to measure the vacancy of a building is when looking at office buildings during a solar eclipse.
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Old Posted Mar 27, 2012, 11:02 PM
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^ Haha that is very true.
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Old Posted Mar 28, 2012, 12:08 AM
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I'm not really that interested in how many supertalls a city has but rather how many highises a city has. That's what gives city a sense of grandeur and mass.

For example, for the last decade Manhattan has technically had only one supertall. Tokyo has zero. Both blow Dubai out of the water in terms of urbanity. Give me a half dozen 200+ metre towers over one supertall any day. After all, if I really need to look at something over 500 metres tall, there's always that tower next to SkyDome.

My number one desire is to see all the unused space whether it be a vacant plot in the railway lands, a surface parking spot in St Jamestown or an abandoned house in the annex disappear from the defined downtown area. Few places have that. Second will be eclipsing 2000 twelve storey buildings. The boom has fulfilled both in spades however, I can't ignore the reality of the situation either.
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Old Posted Mar 28, 2012, 12:15 AM
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The OMB has granted the owners of 1 Yonge a severance of the property.

Paving the way for another supertall site in Toronto.

This is has speculated to be the site of the 100 storey Synergy Condos.
A supertall would face some fierce opposition from the planning staff that spent some time and effort to do a study of the property. Overall, I think it is a piss poor site for a supertall. It would ruin the skyline view from the Island as well as hover over the mid-rise waterfront community developing a few blocks away.
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Old Posted Mar 28, 2012, 1:18 AM
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how on earth would it 'ruin' the skyline view from the island? Don't understand your comment..
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The same way 90 harbour will. By blocking out the true skyline with some behemoth that will probably be ridiculously boring looking, way ahead of everything else.
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Old Posted Mar 28, 2012, 2:42 AM
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I'm sure the old timers said the exact same thing when FCP and Commerce Court went up.

Too late now, the old-timers skyline is almost completely blocked out now anyway, and further there ain't anything behind 1 Yonge to be blocked. Infact anything built on the site expands the skyline eastward
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A great skyline does not make a great city.
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A great skyline does not make a great city.
But it sure is great.
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A great skyline does not make a great city.
Not per se. On the other hand, cities with great skylines are great, though. New York, Chicago, Hong Kong, San Francisco, Toronto, etc.

I can't think of a crappy city with a great skyline. Can you?
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Not per se. On the other hand, cities with great skylines are great, though. New York, Chicago, Hong Kong, San Francisco, Toronto, etc.

I can't think of a crappy city with a great skyline. Can you?
Dubai?
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Old Posted Mar 28, 2012, 4:41 AM
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Atlanta, Houston, and Dallas are all roughly on par with Toronto when it comes to the major office towers that people on this forum fetishize. Philadelphia is pretty similar and has nicer old skyscrapers. I could imagine somebody arguing that those are "great" skylines if Toronto's is "great".

When it comes to having large numbers of residential buildings Toronto's probably behind a dozen Chinese cities 99% of North Americans have never heard of.

San Francisco's a nice city and it would be my first pick in the US but is it "great" in the same way that New York is? Toronto's also nice but kind of modest as far as world cities go.
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Dubai?
That has mostly to do with social policy in that country. Strip that away, and it's looks like a fascinating place. You do realize that there's more to Dubai that the new part, right?
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That has mostly to do with social policy in that country. Strip that away, and it's looks like a fascinating place. You do realize that there's more to Dubai that the new part, right?
You said it yourself. It looks like a fascinating place, and that doesn't make it a great city.

And social policy has to do as well with the "greatness" of a city, but you asked me to strip that away. That's like telling me to go for the butterface with nice boobs.

And I do know that there's more to Dubai than the new part. I'm sure that the old part that had 60,000 people in 1965 is cute
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San Francisco's a nice city and it would be my first pick in the US but is it "great" in the same way that New York is?
Actually i would say that is exactly what makes SF such a great city....that it's not NYC.
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Not per se. On the other hand, cities with great skylines are great, though. New York, Chicago, Hong Kong, San Francisco, Toronto, etc.

I can't think of a crappy city with a great skyline. Can you?
True enough, but of the big cities that I have visited, I am less than enamoured with Atlanta, Dallas, and Minneapolis, despite having great skylines. Minneapolis just might be the most boring jurisdiction of 3 million people on the planet.
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Old Posted Mar 28, 2012, 2:39 PM
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I can't think of a crappy city with a great skyline. Can you?
Detroit.
Although to be fair, it doesn't have a supertall either, but it does have a great looking skyline, especially from across the water in Windsor. But would I want to live there? No way!
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I'm not really that interested in how many supertalls a city has but rather how many highises a city has. That's what gives city a sense of grandeur and mass.

For example, for the last decade Manhattan has technically had only one supertall. Tokyo has zero. Both blow Dubai out of the water in terms of urbanity. Give me a half dozen 200+ metre towers over one supertall any day. After all, if I really need to look at something over 500 metres tall, there's always that tower next to SkyDome.
Couldn't have said it better. I'd much rather TO get rid of the surface parking lots with 200m towers (where applicable) than care about having one 350m tower which let's be honest can only go in a few select lots that will be clustered with the CBD and wouldn't have as much of an impact on the typical postcard shots or do any thing to make the city any more grand. I think bigger priority would be cleaning up and improving density in the area of Adelaide to Bloor Yonge to Sherbourne.

That said if/when it happens, I think Toronto will get Canada's first supertall and I think it will be a mixed use building of condo/office/hotel.
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And I do know that there's more to Dubai than the new part. I'm sure that the old part that had 60,000 people in 1965 is cute
I won't visit Dubai till they enter the 21st century socially/politically, but I can still recognize what's being accomplished there in other areas. That's all I'm trying to say.
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