Winnipeg: Dugald Rd. - Plessis Rd. Interchange - Page 10

alittle1 · #**181** Posted **Feb 12, 2014, 7:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by Cyro

yes thx, 15 million is quite the amount of coin between PCL and SureSpan.

I guess I was thinking more about the pipeline and the amount of work that's involved in moving the line/disposing/replacing it and what's involved, causing among other things more delays.. . cest la vie..

PCL was the head push on the CN rail and the floodway bridge and should be well acquainted with costing and efforts. Besides that, they have to move their camp from the Forks to somewhere anyway.

Also, if the people in Transcona only knew what they were pushing down those pipes through their community they would be up in arms and Russ doesn't read this website anyways.

Riverman · #**182** Posted **Feb 12, 2014, 8:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by alittle1

Also, if the people in Transcona only knew what they were pushing down those pipes through their community they would be up in arms and Russ doesn't read this website anyways.

Refined petroleum products that everybody needs and uses.

cllew · #**183** Posted **Feb 12, 2014, 10:03 PM**

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Originally Posted by Riverman

Refined petroleum products that everybody needs and uses.

And the lines were built there before most of the area was built out. The blue multi level condo's were built on Plessis by the new Shopping Center come to mind as newish neighbors to the line to Esso in East St. Paul.

There are also a few high pressure natural gas pipelines running through Transcona from the regulating station on Dugald Rd. They at least don't have any scheduling impact on the underpass

Cyro · #**184** Posted **Feb 12, 2014, 10:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by alittle1

PCL was the head push on the CN rail and the floodway bridge and should be well acquainted with costing and efforts. Besides that, they have to move their camp from the Forks to somewhere anyway.

Also, if the people in Transcona only knew what they were pushing down those pipes through their community they would be up in arms and Russ doesn't read this website anyways.

I'll agree with this section of your post, gotta go somewhere.

1ajs · #**185** Posted **Feb 13, 2014, 2:09 AM**

o yea the gretna winnipeg pipeline that feeds all the fuel to winnipeg. its a single line that has a split in it that runs over to the shell tank farm on panet aswell as feeding the tank farm on henderson. its run by shell and imperial oil.

in gretna that beast has 1000 psi by the time it gets to winnipeg theres roughly around 30 psi

rrskylar · #**186** Posted **Feb 13, 2014, 6:31 AM**

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Originally Posted by alittle1

PCL was the head push on the CN rail and the floodway bridge and should be well acquainted with costing and efforts. Besides that, they have to move their camp from the Forks to somewhere anyway.

Also, if the people in Transcona only knew what they were pushing down those pipes through their community they would be up in arms and Russ doesn't read this website anyways.

If people were dumb enough to buy a home with a pipeline buried under the front lawn I don't know what to say, the pipeline is marked and none of the home-owners plant trees in their front yards for a reason. Should they have allowed homes to be built there? HELL NO

Sounds like the whole project is quickly becoming another COW (city of Winnipeg) clusterfuck and no doubt that it will go WAY over budget, makes you wonder about the accountability/competency of those supposedly overseeing the project.

cheswick · #**187** Posted **Feb 13, 2014, 4:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by rrskylar

If people were dumb enough to buy a home with a pipeline buried under the front lawn I don't know what to say, the pipeline is marked and none of the home-owners plant trees in their front yards for a reason. Should they have allowed homes to be built there? HELL NO

Sounds like the whole project is quickly becoming another COW (city of Winnipeg) clusterfuck and no doubt that it will go WAY over budget, makes you wonder about the accountability/competency of those supposedly overseeing the project.

There are plenty of trees in the front yards...

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=pless...12.85,,0,12.46

alittle1 · #**188** Posted **Feb 13, 2014, 7:21 PM**

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Originally Posted by cheswick

There are plenty of trees in the front yards...

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=pless...12.85,,0,12.46

In case anyone was wondering, The pipe line runs on the E/S parking lot of Golden's Transcona CC and down the golf course to the South. To the North it runs just west of the fence of the storage yard, along the west wall of the Fish Plant, between the Flyer parking lot and Kent Welding Gun, along the E/S of the old Police/Fire station, thru the vacant lots on Pandora, Melrose, Regent, and Victoria, skips across the field by Ravenhurst, alongthe fences at the old pumping station and Kiwanis Park, from the tracks to the CPR line the deep setbacks to all the apartments and houses along Plessis are there because of the pipeline (used to be the old horse farm property in the 60's and 70's), same setbacks at Autopac, Litwin, etc. until it reaches the Bergen Cutoff.

That pipeline was put in during the 50's, and to my knowledge, hasn't been renewed since, a ticking bomb....

With all these delays on construction, you would have thought that they would have seen their errors and made a switch to a overpass and avoided all the bureaucratic bullshit and the extras they didn't anticipate. I still like the Smokey and the Bandit ramp idea, sure would brighten up your day on the drive home.

Danny D Oh · #**189** Posted **Feb 13, 2014, 11:43 PM**

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Originally Posted by alittle1

In case anyone was wondering, The pipe line runs on the E/S parking lot of Golden's Transcona CC and down the golf course to the South. To the North it runs just west of the fence of the storage yard, along the west wall of the Fish Plant, between the Flyer parking lot and Kent Welding Gun, along the E/S of the old Police/Fire station, thru the vacant lots on Pandora, Melrose, Regent, and Victoria, skips across the field by Ravenhurst, alongthe fences at the old pumping station and Kiwanis Park, from the tracks to the CPR line the deep setbacks to all the apartments and houses along Plessis are there because of the pipeline (used to be the old horse farm property in the 60's and 70's), same setbacks at Autopac, Litwin, etc. until it reaches the Bergen Cutoff.

That pipeline was put in during the 50's, and to my knowledge, hasn't been renewed since, a ticking bomb....

With all these delays on construction, you would have thought that they would have seen their errors and made a switch to a overpass and avoided all the bureaucratic bullshit and the extras they didn't anticipate. I still like the Smokey and the Bandit ramp idea, sure would brighten up your day on the drive home.

I think you mean Ravelston. Ravenhurst is east of Redonda.

Seems pretty clear to me that the city (Wyatt) tried to put a rush on the project to make it look shovel-ready to qualify for the federal stimulus money, which was essentially lying if not a more criminal term. Not to mention inconveniencing a huge neighborhood unnecessarily and redirecting truck traffic onto roads not built to handle that amount of truck traffic, which will cost us soon. Bet the next shoe is the city coming out and saying they don't have the money do it without that federal money and months of belly-aching negotiations.

1ajs · #**190** Posted **Feb 14, 2014, 4:40 PM**

the whole lines never been dug up but it has been replaced in sections

alittle1 · #**191** Posted **Feb 24, 2014, 5:57 PM**

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Originally Posted by 1ajs

the whole lines never been dug up but it has been replaced in sections

So your saying the steel pipe in the ground should last 60+years?

cllew · #**192** Posted **Feb 24, 2014, 6:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by alittle1

So your saying the steel pipe in the ground should last 60+years?

I don't think they are any different than the natural gas lines in Winnipeg that are that age. Manitoba Hydro is not doing a wholesale replacement of pipes in Winnipeg that were put in during the 1950's and 60's.

Some of the problems in some sections come because of bad soil conditions, but if the external coating is in good condition and the line is patrolled for visible indicators of leakage, why should it not last that long?

alittle1 · #**193** Posted **Feb 25, 2014, 7:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by cllew

I don't think they are any different than the natural gas lines in Winnipeg that are that age. Manitoba Hydro is not doing a wholesale replacement of pipes in Winnipeg that were put in during the 1950's and 60's.

Some of the problems in some sections come because of bad soil conditions, but if the external coating is in good condition and the line is patrolled for visible indicators of leakage, why should it not last that long?

Everything you wanted to know about gas pipelines and more: http://www.spectraenergy.com/Operati...Pipeline-FAQs/

cllew · #**194** Posted **Feb 25, 2014, 8:01 PM**

Just saw in the Winnipeg tender page that they are looking for a consultant for the CN Waverly underpass.

Wonder if this goes ahead if it will be a repeat of the Plessis Road problems with costs going up because of incomplete information?

bomberjet · #**195** Posted **Feb 25, 2014, 8:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by cllew

Just saw in the Winnipeg tender page that they are looking for a consultant for the CN Waverly underpass.

Wonder if this goes ahead if it will be a repeat of the Plessis Road problems with costs going up because of incomplete information?

I'll pretty much guarantee it will not be the same show that's going on at Plessis. Everybody got backed into the timeline corner at Plessis, which caused ALL the problems that are going on now. I also don't think the overpass concept at Plessis was completely looked at.

Sometimes when people have time to think things over, and I mean having a year or two to actually go through things, common sense tends to prevail. Not all the time, but most of the time. Here's to hoping..

cheswick · #**196** Posted **Mar 26, 2014, 11:30 PM**

Received a newsletter in the mail today with updates to the project.

-dec 2014 open to traffic date un achievable. (Blame setbacks in relocating the oil pipelines)
-sept 2015 is the new opening date
-city is going to ask federal and provincial governments to approve an extension to the project completion date
-an incentive in the tender if the road opens around the May long weekend of 2015

alittle1 · #**197** Posted **Mar 27, 2014, 4:57 PM**

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Originally Posted by bomberjet

I'll pretty much guarantee it will not be the same show that's going on at Plessis. Everybody got backed into the timeline corner at Plessis, which caused ALL the problems that are going on now. I also don't think the overpass concept at Plessis was completely looked at.

Sometimes when people have time to think things over, and I mean having a year or two to actually go through things, common sense tends to prevail. Not all the time, but most of the time. Here's to hoping..

Well said, BJ.

With the amount of ballast they have piled on Plessis they could almost put a overpass over Dugald Rd. which would be a good thing.

alittle1 · #**198** Posted **Apr 24, 2014, 8:50 PM**

Just a Springtime update on what's happening at the corner.

Besides slipping and sliding around the site, they started putting in a few support caissons to stabilize the banks of the channel cut under the tracks and support the tracks as well. Have take a few photos to show the progress when it clears off and the streets dry.

Would be nice if the City fixed the holes in the pavement where they drilled to play with the pipeline. You could lose your undercarriage in the one on the west-side of Plessis.

bomberjet · #**199** Posted **Apr 28, 2014, 5:45 PM**

Not sure if this as posted anywhere. But as you may or may not know, PCL was awarded the contract for underpass construction back in March.

Bids were as follows:
M.D. Steel $41.6M
PCL $35.4M
Surespan $50.8M

This price is in addition to the various other contracts that have been awarded. Can't remember the numbers or values of the other contracts. So can't really get a total cost or anything, but gives you an idea.

cllew · #**200** Posted **Apr 28, 2014, 10:31 PM**

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Originally Posted by bomberjet

Not sure if this as posted anywhere. But as you may or may not know, PCL was awarded the contract for underpass construction back in March.

Bids were as follows:
M.D. Steel $41.6M
PCL $35.4M
Surespan $50.8M

This price is in addition to the various other contracts that have been awarded. Can't remember the numbers or values of the other contracts. So can't really get a total cost or anything, but gives you an idea.

Crown Utilities bid $4.5Million for the pipe line relocation part of the project and were the only bidder. It has not been awarded yet so I don't know if the city is trying to tweak the price.

Another company has bid $260,000 +/- for the actual pipe to be used in the relocation.

In total there is about $5 million being spent just to relocate the Esso and Shell pipe lines.