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Seaport Advocates Slam Developer's Plans and Propose Alternatives





By ALINE REYNOLDS
Jan. 16, 2014


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More than 200 people crowded into a public forum at Pace University on Jan. 13, most there to show their opposition to the Howard Hughes Corp.’s proposed redevelopment plan for the South Street Seaport. Many who spoke at the Community Board 1-sponsored meeting attacked the 600-foot-high residential tower the developer has proposed for the site of the New Market Building.

The tower had already received vehement criticism at a CB1 meeting in November, when Hughes Corp. representatives publicly presented its development plans for the first time.

Michael Sosin, a 24-year-old resident of the residential complex Southbridge Towers, near the Seaport, said that erecting “modern” buildings in the neighborhood would be a “blight” on its historic character. “I have grown up here, gone to school in this area, and plan to live here a very long time,” he told the audience. “I want my neighborhood to retain the charm and essence that makes this area unique, and keep the peaceful atmosphere that makes the Seaport a great place to live.”

The tower, said Andi Sosin, another Southbridge resident, is “an obscenity that will destroy the iconic image that right now is known around the world as an attractive advertisement for New York City.”

Some speakers presented their own visions of the future Seaport. Michael Kramer, a lead member of Save Our Seaport, a group opposed to the Hughes Corp.’s plan, suggested preserving the New Market Building for use by the South Street Seaport Museum—and turning the Tin Building into a public school or a community center. Marco Pasanella, chair of the Old Seaport Alliance—a group formed after Sandy to promote the area’s businesses—suggested that the developer transform the Seaport into a “food capital,” featuring a “large-scale” food market, a culinary school and Food Network events. Pasanella also suggested that Seaport Museum boats might be converted into “floating hotels,” with the revenue dedicated to their preservation.

Robert LaValva, founder of the New Amsterdam Market who also opposes the Hughes Corp. plan, has joined architect Gina Pollara to launch a campaign called “JustPressPause.org.” The pair want to stop the upcoming city approval process until a grassroots “master plan” is developed.

That plan, LaValva said, must consider the Seaport and its structures as public assets. “Just what that public purpose will be remains to be determined, but one thing is certain,” he said, “it cannot, and will not be determined behind closed doors, and without all stakeholders involved.”

Following the meeting, Curry said he had taken notes and will consider the many comments. “We heard a lot of input from the community,” he said, “and we’re going to look at it and determine how it might impact the way we’re thinking about our process.”



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The brave souls at the Tribeca Trib—who attended last night’s main Community Board 1 meeting—report that CB1 chair Catherine McVay-Hughes announced that (in the Trib’s words) “an agreement had been worked out with the city to halt the upcoming approval process for Hughes Corp.’s redevelopment plans for the South Street Seaport.” A task force with members from various entities—the Economic Development Corporation (which had been dealing with Howard Hughes Corp. in private), residents, politicians, and the South Street Seaport Museum—will lead the discussions for the site. Getting the credit along with CB1 are councilwoman Margaret Chin, Manhattan borough president Gale Brewer, and assembly speaker Sheldon Silver.


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City Calls a Halt to Developer's South Street Seaport Plans


By CARL GLASSMAN
Jan. 29, 2014


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"Howard Hughes Corporation's plan to date will not go forward as presented." That was the announcement Tuesday evening from Community Board 1 chair Catherine McVay Hughes, who told the board at its monthly meeting that an agreement had been worked out with the city to halt the upcoming approval process for Hughes Corp.'s redevelopment plans for the South Street Seaport, including a widely opposed 600-foot-high residential tower.

Hughes said that a "community driven" South Street Seaport Task Force is being formed to include community members, elected officials, the South Street Seaport Museum and the city's Economic Development Corp., which is in charge of leasing the property to the Hughes Corp.

The decision is an apparent major setback for the developer, who was on track to begin a city land use review of its plans later this year. Those plans, apart from the tower, include restoring and adding a floor to the landmarked Tin Building, installing a 10,000-square-foot food market and constructing a new marina. It's application to the Landmarks Preservation Commission for alterations to the Tin Building are also on hold. The developer has said that the tower was necessary to pay for needed infrastructure and other improvements to the area.
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Maybe not, seems like one big Nymby exaggeration

BREAKING: City says Seaport tower is NOT on hold
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BY JOSH ROGERS | The city’s Economic Development Corp. on Thursday contradicted the assertions of Downtown leaders that the proposed Seaport tower is on hold, and is insisting the project is moving forward on schedule.

One E.D.C. official pushed back strongly against the claims — reported by Downtown Express and other media outlets Jan. 29. “In short, there is no new ‘halt’ or agreement to halt,” according to the official.

E.D.C. owns the South Street Seaport area and is overseeing the Howard Hughes Corp.’s proposal to redevelop the Tin and New Market building with a 600-foot mixed use tower, food market and a marina.

Kate Blumm, E.D.C.’s spokesperson, said in a prepared statement: “This proposal is at the very beginning of what will ultimately be an extensive public review process, and we have strongly encouraged Howard Hughes Corporation to work with local stakeholders to solicit their input and understand their concerns. We’re encouraged by the steps the developer is taking in concert with elected officials to more formally structure community involvement, and we look forward to seeing the dialogue evolve. To date, the process is moving as anticipated along the timeline previously agreed upon.

At Tuesday’s night Community Board 1 meeting, Chairperson Catherine McVay Hughes said a “community-driven” task force will be created and the plan “will not go forward as presented….Any future milestones are on hold until a comprehensive community process has taken place.”

On Wednesday, she told Downtown Express that her report was carefully worded after a conference call that included Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver, Manhattan Borough President Gale Brewer and Councilmember Margaret Chin.

Silver in his written monthly report to C.B. 1 said of the tower that “the city has now agreed to put those plans on hold.”

A source close to Chin had said on Wednesday that the creation of a task force with the Howard Hughes Corp. would likely have the effect of halting the project.

The E.D.C. official acknowledged the task force may have the effect of a delay but said that was always going to be part of the project and added it was not true that there have been any changes to the milestones or any hold on the proposal.

E.D.C. did not respond to a request for comment on Wednesday and apparently did not try to refute any of the articles posted regarding the Downtown leaders’ assertions.
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effing Nimbys.
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effing Nimbys.
If we get a better designed tower out of it, it will be worth it. NIMBYs do have their advantages.
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If we get a better designed tower out of it, it will be worth it. NIMBYs do have their advantages.
It's never worth it. Don't think it will end with just this one tower, and the design is not what they object to.



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Silver in his written monthly report to C.B. 1 said of the tower that “the city has now agreed to put those plans on hold.”

A source close to Chin had said on Wednesday that the creation of a task force with the Howard Hughes Corp. would likely have the effect of halting the project.

The E.D.C. official acknowledged the task force may have the effect of a delay but said that was always going to be part of the project and added it was not true that there have been any changes to the milestones or any hold on the proposal.
I don't care how they want to color it, the result is the NIMBYs will get what they wanted. On hold doesn't mean the same as canceld BTW.
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This is why we can't have nice things. WHY CAN'T WE HAVE NICE THINGS?!
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This is why we can't have nice things. WHY CAN'T WE HAVE NICE THINGS?!
Well, the NIMBYs would tell you to take your nice things and....you know what they would say. It doesn't matter how "pretty" you make it. Look at the Tower Verre. If they had their way, that plan would be dead. They made enough noise to have it decapitated at least. (As nice as it was, even City Planning decided the design didn't cut it).

No, we can't really have a system where the design is the ultimate test of whether or not something can be built, because the people just aren't going to like it, no matter what. Either something is allowed to be built because it is legal, or it is not. This is a case where the City is involved, so there is a little more say in what the City will allow.
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Uh, is anyone actually following this thread?

This tower is NOT on hold. It was a NIMBY who claimed the tower was on hold, but the city is going forward with the approvals process.
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Uh, is anyone actually following this thread?

This tower is NOT on hold. It was a NIMBY who claimed the tower was on hold, but the city is going forward with the approvals process.
Thank goodness!
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Task Force Begins Review of Controversial 50-Story Seaport Tower

By Irene Plagianos
February 26, 2014


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A task force of elected officials and community leaders begins meeting this week on Howard Hughes Corporation's controversial 50-story Seaport tower plan, which the developer put on hold to give the community more time to review.

The group will scrutinize Howard Hughes' designs and make suggestions for changes before the formal public review of the project begins. While the recommendations will not be legally binding, Howard Hughes has agreed to take them into consideration, group members said.

"We take our stewardship of the Seaport very seriously," said Chris Curry, Howard Hughes' vice president for development, at Community Board 1’s full board meeting Tuesday night. "We are looking forward to our continued work with the community."

The task force will include Manhattan Borough President Gale Brewer, Councilwoman Margaret Chin and CB1 Chairwoman Catherine McVay Hughes. The first meeting will be held at Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver’s office on Thursday. It will not be open to the public.

“Getting this working group together wasn’t easy — you can’t imagine how many phone calls it took,” Brewer said. “But I believe in transparency and I believe in community input.”

Organizers expect the group to meet over the next two to three months before issuing recommendations.

The announcement of the working group comes after several months of community pushback over Howard Hughes' plan to overhaul the abandoned Fulton Fish Market warehouses that sit next to the soon-to-be redone Pier 17, to build a soaring high-rise condo and hotel tower.

Howard Hughes originally planned to submit the project to official public review this spring — a lengthy process that includes input from the community board, borough president, City Planning Commission and City Council — but agreed to put it on hold while the task force meets, officials said.
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Pier 17 tower slammed as “stake in the heart” of Seaport
Community Board 1 member rips Howard Hughes Corp.'s proposed development


March 20, 2014


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Neighbors of the South Street Seaport voiced opposition at a Community Board 1 meeting Tuesday over the Howard Hughes Corporation’s 50-story condominium-and-hotel tower project set to rise next to Pier 17. A task force, formed as a compromise among residents and local leaders, is currently in talks with Howard Hughes Corporation and city officials over the project.

“I think CB1 is clearly on board, as in to say our Seaport group, (that) we do not want the tower,” Community Board member Paul Hovitz, who is not on the task force, told Curbed. “That tower would be a stake in the heart of the Seaport. And I’m trusting that that is not going to be bargained off for some fugazy affordable housing.”

The Seaport Working Group is expected to closely examine the project’s impact on the surrounding area. The process will take place simultaneously with a mandatory environmental review, and could serve as a guide for future development sites around the Williamsburg Bridge.

Chris Curry, Howard Hughes’ senior executive vice president of development, has said he reached out to Mayor Bill de Blasio and expressed a plan to include affordable housing in the project, as previously reported. Construction is expected to start early next year.
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I can't see what the NIMBY's are up in arms about, it is not like they are tearing down part of Schermerhorn Row of early 19th-century ship merchant buildings. The building now, was I believe built in the early 80's.
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I can't see what the NIMBY's are up in arms about, it is not like they are tearing down part of Schermerhorn Row of early 19th-century ship merchant buildings. The building now, was I believe built in the early 80's.

It's much older than that. But the NIMBYs don't need a reason to be against it, it's a new tower, and that should be frowned upon, plain and simple.






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They're not interested in any type of "affordable housing", or any other amenity the developers could throw at them. They don't want the tower, and would probably go without food if that meant the tower wouldn't be built.
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A few months ago I argued on the curbed website with an opponent of the tower who was pretty much saying that it would cast a shadow over the whole Seaport for the entire day+ the shadow would also affect Brooklyn Bridge. I pointed out that the shadow effect was overblown way out of proportion and that could be proved with a simple computer simulation- surprise, surprise- I got no answer. Overzealously advocating your agenda and ignoring any evidence that goes against it seems to be the modus operandi.
Another one was saying that the city must pay for the rehabilitation of the piers and the new market building while a new tower should not be built due to Downtown's lack of infrastructure to support more people living there. I pointed out that these Hughes guys were ready to pay something like 100 million to renovate the seaport area if they built the tower. That meant that the city could save itself that 100 million and invest in upgrading the infrastructure to accommodate the influx of new residents (there are many more new buildings coming+ some office towers are being converted to residential so to single out the seaport tower as the straw that broke the camel's back is ridiculous) . Yet, complaining about lack of infrastructure but demanding that the city must spend its limited resources on fortifying the piers was quite logical to some people. Go figure!
I am ready to listen to coherent arguments for or against anything, there is no universal truth but the nimbys are falling short of coming up with them. The historical significance argument does not make me too excited either but that's just me.
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A few months ago I argued on the curbed website with an opponent of the tower who was pretty much saying that it would cast a shadow over the whole Seaport for the entire day+ the shadow would also affect Brooklyn Bridge. I pointed out that the shadow effect was overblown way out of proportion and that could be proved with a simple computer simulation- surprise, surprise- I got no answer. Overzealously advocating your agenda and ignoring any evidence that goes against it seems to be the modus operandi.

Another one was saying that the city must pay for the rehabilitation of the piers and the new market building while a new tower should not be built due to Downtown's lack of infrastructure to support more people living there. I pointed out that these Hughes guys were ready to pay something like 100 million to renovate the seaport area if they built the tower. That meant that the city could save itself that 100 million and invest in upgrading the infrastructure to accommodate the influx of new residents (there are many more new buildings coming+ some office towers are being converted to residential so to single out the seaport tower as the straw that broke the camel's back is ridiculous) . Yet, complaining about lack of infrastructure but demanding that the city must spend its limited resources on fortifying the piers was quite logical to some people. Go figure!

I am ready to listen to coherent arguments for or against anything, there is no universal truth but the nimbys are falling short of coming up with them. The historical significance argument does not make me too excited either but that's just me.

Well, that just goes to show you firsthand, there is no reasoning with NIMBYs. If they are against something, they are against it. You can knock down every argument they have against it one by one, and that won't matter. They don't want the building. And they wouldn't want it even at half the height.
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Talk about an end of an era. l used to hang out there on occasion when l was a high school kid with my friends. Good memories.
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^^^ Definitely, I have a lot of fond memories of that place as well with both friends and family. It was a frequent hangout spot of mine during college. I really look forward to the new and improved Seaport . . . that area has so much potential!
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Why are you guys lamenting the loss of the seaport? I'm confused. This is an addition to the seaport.
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