Historical Winnipeg discussion

[Cyro]

^ nice find, circa 1958, can't believe the prices...always educational and interesting.

[Cyro]

Great article ..If you haven't read it already on the Dalnavert Museum. by a well known architect here..

Museums such as Dalnavert allow us to immerse ourselves in ideas that cannot be experienced by reading Wikipedia or watching the Discovery Channel. They celebrate our collective experience and shared values, promoting the human engagement that bonds us as a community across social, generational and cultural divides. Perhaps most importantly, local museums inspire creativity and encourage the new ideas that will grow our economy, enhance our quality of life and move our city forward in the future.

Very eloquent

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/opi...233270271.html

[Cyro]

These are things a new coat of paint can never do. Corner of King St. and Dufferin Ave., c.1961.
Courtesy of the Winnipeg Tribune << wow

riseandsprawl.blogspot.com

[1ajs]

[alittle1]

Found this link to different properties around Winnipeg and thought that it would be nice to share with the multitude. Check it out:

http://www.winnipeg.ca/PPD/historic/...80YearPast.pdf

[Andy6]

Originally Posted by 1ajs

The Rosamond Billett ... I have a postcard showing it sailing in the Red. It was apparently named after the daughter of a Winnipeg stockbroker. Looks like perhaps it's being dismantled in that photo, but I'm not sure (it would be odd to have the name on the ship before construction was finished, I would expect). The ship was built in 1910. It seems as though that area along the bank alongside what is now the baseball stadium was used for shipping purposes.

[Andy6]

Originally Posted by alittle1

Found this link to different properties around Winnipeg and thought that it would be nice to share with the multitude. Check it out:

http://www.winnipeg.ca/PPD/historic/...80YearPast.pdf

There is one of those for most years since then ... looking at the older ones is almost a historical experience in itself as you realize how much of this stuff has dwindled away even in the era of historical consciousness and heritage designations.

Thanks.

[rrskylar]

Originally Posted by Andy6

The Rosamond Billett ... I have a postcard showing it sailing in the Red. It was apparently named after the daughter of a Winnipeg stockbroker. Looks like perhaps it's being dismantled in that photo, but I'm not sure (it would be odd to have the name on the ship before construction was finished, I would expect). The ship was built in 1910. It seems as though that area along the bank alongside what is now the baseball stadium was used for shipping purposes.

Further, it was built as a sand dredge

1911 assembled at Winnipeg, dismantled 1917 & 1918 rebuilt by Tidewater Shipyard, Trois Rivieres as T.P. Phelan ON 140953), later US Howard S. Gerken (ON 254429), lost in storm August 25th, 1926 off Buffalo, NY

[Andy6]

Originally Posted by rrskylar

Further, it was built as a sand dredge

1911 assembled at Winnipeg, dismantled 1917 & 1918 rebuilt by Tidewater Shipyard, Trois Rivieres as T.P. Phelan ON 140953), later US Howard S. Gerken (ON 254429), lost in storm August 25th, 1926 off Buffalo, NY

Presumably 1ajs's photo shows the dismantling in 1917 then.

[esquire]

I'm not sure whether this is new, but it's the first time that I've noticed it.

MIT has posted dozens of old Manitoba highway maps on their website. It's an interesting look at the evolution of the highway system in Manitoba.

http://www.gov.mb.ca/mit/maparchive/index.html

[bomberjet]

Originally Posted by esquire

I'm not sure whether this is new, but it's the first time that I've noticed it.

MIT has posted dozens of old Manitoba highway maps on their website. It's an interesting look at the evolution of the highway system in Manitoba.

http://www.gov.mb.ca/mit/maparchive/index.html

Really cool stuff. I noticed that a while back, but haven't really gone through any of them in detail. Definitely a good history lesson if you're interested in that kind of thing.

[Authentic_City]

Not sure if this has already been mentioned, but the old streetcar tracks are visible on Sherbrook (south of Portage Ave), exposed by the street work that is going on there currently.

[trueviking]

[mattpa]

that track looks pretty intact the city should take cns old tracks and bring back the trollies

[1ajs]

just shows how bad of shape our roads realy are and the patch work crap thats being done

[Andy6]

Originally Posted by esquire

I'm not sure whether this is new, but it's the first time that I've noticed it.

MIT has posted dozens of old Manitoba highway maps on their website. It's an interesting look at the evolution of the highway system in Manitoba.

http://www.gov.mb.ca/mit/maparchive/index.html

Interesting. I didn't know there was a 1926 ... the Historical Atlas of Manitoba has the 1928 as the earliest. I have 1928 and 1930 but now (apparently -- thanks, Esquire!) I need to try to get a 1926. I do have a 1926 Trans-Canada Red Route map for the whole of western Canada. It would have been quite the motoring adventure, particularly the B.C. part, which involved shipping your car the length of Kootenay Lake and taking a huge loop from a point along the Washington state border all the way up to Lillooet and then straight back south to the Fraser Valley and Vancouver. It would have taken weeks just to get across B.C.

[Andy6]

We used to have the best highway map in Canada, cartographically, but it isn't as good as it used to be, especially after the NDP decided that it would be really heartwarming and democratic if the highway map showed the entire province on the same side, even at the expense of shrinking the southern part of the province, where 98% of driving and tourist traffic actually occurs, down to the point of illegibility. They also took the sensible population categories (0-200, 200-1000, 1000-5000 and 5000+) and changed them so that the smaller towns of 1000-2500 have symbols and a typeface that doesn't stand out very clearly and so that every place under 1000 appears to be the same -- which doesn't make much sense in Manitoba where a town of 900 people can be a major service centre and shouldn't be indistinguishable on the map from an unpopulated railway point or a hamlet with two or three houses in it (e.g. if you're coming up to Woodside and Gladstone you would have no idea that one of them is basically a sign on the highway and the other is a sizeable town).

[greyraven8]

Originally Posted by Andy6

That is very interesting. The idea of a "roller rink" in 1886 with a sort of bubble roof seems strangely anachronistic. Was it for roller skating (which I hadn't known was a popular pastime that early) and also for ice skating in winter? Did it double as a community hall? What was it built out of? When did it meet its end? There is a story here.

Found your thread on skyscrapers by going off on a few tangents. Was doing some research on the 1886 Manitoba Baseball League for a 19th century baseball uniform online database and was combing through 1886 of the Manitoba Free Press on microfilm and saw mention of a social to raise funds in the Grand Roller Rink which will feature a baseball game on roller skates - Hotels vs Mets (September 17, 1886) and a later rematch at the Royal Roller Rink (September 21, 1886).

One of the pay online newspaper sites (newspaperarchive.com) shows what I think is a newspaper ad of a new roller rink - the Royal Roller Rink - opening very soon - I think it is from a Jan 14th edition of the paper. Now that the site was marginally useful once (hard to make out because you can't zoom without signing up) it's being a pain in the ass for me to look get it up again and look at it.



From another site:

"In the winter of 1886-87 there were reports of “hoky” or “hocky” or “hockey” played on the Red River. In the same winter, hockey was played indoors at the Royal Rink, which was originally built in 1885 as a roller skating rink. In the reported games, the “Bankers” took on “All-Comers.”
....
Some early indoor rinks were actually roller skating rinks flooded in the winter, including the Grand Roller Rink at the corner of Princess and McWilliam (now Pacific). It was soon after converted into the Thistle Curling Club (the modern Thistle CC on Minto Street burned down on June 10, 2006). In 1891, it was turned into a skating rink only and became commonly known as the Brydon Rink.

Another prominent facility was the Granite Rink, or McIntyre Rink as it was sometimes called because it was located on Albert Street behind the McIntyre Block. This facility was taken over from the Granite Curling Club in 1892 and was Winnipeg’s best hockey facility until 1898-99."
http://www.winnipegrealtors.ca/Resou...cle/?sysid=773



and and another site:
http://www.mhs.mb.ca/docs/mb_history...tory.shtml#013
"Hockey, then, certainly was played in 1886-87, and it may be that a temporary club was formed in that season. However, for the next few winters the sport did not develop a following. The main reason was that no suitable indoor rink was available and even the outdoor ones were makeshift. The Royal Rink was taken over by the Granite Curling Club in 1887 and this club continued to use the building until 1892. [13]"

[13] Manitoba Free Press Oct. 27, 1887, p. 4, Nov. 2, 1887, p. 4; Granite Curling Club, “75th Anniversary Pamphlet” (unpublished paper given to author by Mr. Howard Wood), esp. p. 6.



that's as far as I've got.

*Edit - addition*
Info. from "An Immense Hold in the Public Estimation: The First Quarter Century of Hockey in Canada, 1886-1911"
http://www.mhs.mb.ca/docs/mb_history...yhistory.shtml
In 1892 Granite Curling Club became Granite Rink (aka 'McIntyre Rink' because it was located behind the McIntyre Block on Albert St.)
Was Winnipeg's best hockey rink until 1898-99.





Did anyone have any pictures of the Royal Roller Rink besides the one I saw on this thread of the roof?

[greyraven8]

Skimming through this thread and I remember someone looking for fire insurance maps of Winnipeg. Probably not exactly what they were looking for but thought it might be useful to those that are new to historic Winnipeg research like myself.

On Flickr: for Winnipeg area has some fire insurance maps of Winnipeg, St. Boniface, and Fort Garry that I saw. Plus lots of other maps.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/manitobamaps/sets/

Also several old Henderson Directories of Winnipeg are on the Peel Prairie Provinces site:
http://peel.library.ualberta.ca/henderson.html

Some historic Manitoba Newspapers online here (and there is one Henderson Directory on this site also):

http://manitobia.ca/content/en/newspapers

Many Winnipeg history online resources links on the Winnipeg Public Library site:
http://wpl.winnipeg.ca/library/onlin.../localhist.asp

[greyraven8]

Found some fire insurance maps at Archives Canada. Aug 1906, revised May 1914.

http://collectionscanada.gc.ca/pam_a...=e008444584-v8

here one page:


here's some from 1880 (faded but mostly legible): http://collectionscanada.gc.ca/pam_a...ec_nbr=3776310

some other Winnipeg ones plus many other Manitoba ones:
http://collectionscanada.gc.ca/pam_a...ec_nbr=3776310