Los Angeles has a San Francisco at its heart

[Pedestrian]

Originally Posted by tech12

seeing as everyone was discussing airports and CSAs, i might as well mention that Stockton is considering renaming its airport the San Francisco-Stockton regional airport. Now we just need to extend BART out there (lol)

No worse than a football team that calls itself the "San Francisco 49ers" and plays in a place that can take hours to reach from San Francisco (it's actually probably quicker to get to Stockton than Santa Clara).

[Pedestrian]

Originally Posted by Sun Belt

Yeah Stockton is about 80 miles from San Francisco. It's about 40 miles from Sacramento. If anything they should name it Stockton - Sacramento Airport.

Even if they use the word "Bay", it's still no where near the bay. It's 40 miles to Pittsburg which is on a bay but it's still not The Bay.

Like Sacramento, Stockton has a "port" so it's at least connected:


http://www.writerscafe.org/writing/a...rrens/1029292/

[Sun Belt]

Originally Posted by Pedestrian

Like Sacramento, Stockton has a "port" so it's at least connected:

While this is true, Jacksonville is also connected to Los Angeles via the 10. Who cares if Stockton has a waterway that leads out to the SF Bay, not sure what this has to do with an airport located 80 miles away from San Francisco sharing the SF brand name.

[Pedestrian]

^^You implied they shouldn't use the word "Bay" because it's nowhere near the (SF) Bay but it's on a tributary of the Bay which is something. And "San Francisco Bay" is as different from San Francisco as Vallejo is from San Francisco.

[caligrad]

This has spiraled into one of the most ridiculous threads I have ever seen and thank god I wasn't a part of

Went from "LA has a San Fran heart" which I totally disagree with. To being about airports, water ways, freeways and cities that have nothing to do with the main topic haha. Maybe its time this thread/discussion closes? Thanks.

[Pedestrian]

^^What's wrong with a thread morphing over time as various aspect of its subject are exhausted?

And thanks to you also.

[SLO]

Originally Posted by Pedestrian

Like Sacramento, Stockton has a "port" so it's at least connected:


http://www.writerscafe.org/writing/a...rrens/1029292/

Looks like that may be the port of Sacramento, the port of Stockton is a little larger and does a lot of business for the California Ag industry, but you are right in that the San Joaquin/Sacramento Delta feeds into the bay and is a great connection to San Francisco Bay.

[tech12]

Originally Posted by Sun Belt

Yeah Stockton is about 80 miles from San Francisco. It's about 40 miles from Sacramento. If anything they should name it Stockton - Sacramento Airport.

Even if they use the word "Bay", it's still no where near the bay. It's 40 miles to Pittsburg which is on a bay but it's still not The Bay.

Originally Posted by mhays

Cluttering up the name isn't necessary. They're not saying that they're IN San Francisco, just that they're in its area. It's generally a good idea to go with the top brand.

That said, it's absurdly far.

Originally Posted by ThePhun1

Stockton is nowhere near San Francisco. It's like Beaumont claiming to have the Golden Triangle-Houston Regional Airport. Absurd...

At least Stockton is part of SF's CSA (though not quite part of the Bay Area), so it makes some kind of sense, sort of.

I agree it's a stretch, but it's not like we're talking about Fresno or something. Stockton and much of San Joaquin county have been turning into the Bay Area's inland empire for a while now (lots of commuters, and bay area housing refugees), though on the ground (rather than on paper) they still have their own separate identity for the most part.

And for the record, it's not that far from the Bay, even if it is an 80 mile drive to get to SF proper (fyi, it's only around 60 miles away from SF in a straight line, which is not much farther than San Jose or Santa Rosa, and about the same as the suburb of Morgan Hill). It's about 25 miles from Suisun Bay which is absolutely part of the Bay Area (and feeds into SF Bay...look at a map), which is almost the same distance that Santa Rosa is from the bay. Stockton even has a ship channel and port.

I guess what i'm saying, is that maybe Stockton isn't as ridiculously far from the Bay Area as you guys think. The name change is kinda weird, but its not like it's completely out of left field.

Originally Posted by ThePhun1

Fine, the Stockton-Bay Area Regional Airport: less clutter.

Not that I really care all that much. It's not up to me and they can name it whatever they want.

I dunno, you kinda seem like you care lol. Also, you realize that the Bay Area's full name is the San Francisco Bay Area, right?

[tech12]

Originally Posted by Pedestrian

plays in a place that can take hours to reach from San Francisco (it's actually probably quicker to get to Stockton than Santa Clara).

lol...let's not say anything too wacky.

[dimondpark]

That is such a grueling commute that flights between Stockton and SF(and/or OAK & SJC) might not be such a bad idea.

[dimondpark]

Also, the Modesto-Merced CSA already qualifies to be merged into the Bay Area as 17% of their residents commute ALLLL the way over here, look for that merger to happen in 2020 or so.

Including Stockton, that will make a whopping 1.4 million central valley residents part of the Bay Area and the total 'csa' population stands at 9.562 Million as of 2016.

When will the Bay Area's inland invasion end? I cant say.

I do know that some already jest that the forthcoming bullet train will become a commuter rail between Fresno and the Bay.
http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/07/2...alley-express/

[Pedestrian]

Originally Posted by dimondpark

That is such a grueling commute that flights between Stockton and SF(and/or OAK & SJC) might not be such a bad idea.

At times I had to spend a workday in both Stockton and in Silicon Valley. It definitely took me longer to get to Silicon Valley. Both were "reverse commutes". Both drives were miserable.

Originally Posted by dimondpark

Also, the Modesto-Merced CSA already qualifies to be merged into the Bay Area as 17% of their residents commute ALLLL the way over here, look for that merger to happen in 2020 or so.

Including Stockton, that will make a whopping 1.4 million central valley residents part of the Bay Area and the total 'csa' population stands at 9.562 Million as of 2016.

When will the Bay Area's inland invasion end? I cant say.

I do know that some already jest that the forthcoming bullet train will become a commuter rail between Fresno and the Bay.
http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/07/2...alley-express/

Well 2 decades ago I had a co-worker on Treasure Island who lived in Manteca. But the HSR will make access to the inner Bay Area a lot easier for folks in the CV which is makes it that much harder to understand why the politicians out there oppose it.

[caligrad]

Originally Posted by Pedestrian

^^What's wrong with a thread morphing over time as various aspect of its subject are exhausted?

And thanks to you also.

Because that's when you create NEW threads like everybody else does.

What if I randomly bring up Elvis ? and his contribution to LA (HA) and people started talking about that ? that's completely morphing the thread into something totally different, hence, create a new thread if Canals, highways and airports become the topic of discussion when it becomes "MY city is more important because it has more international flights" kinda madness. HAHA.
Especially when the beginning topic was "LA has a SF at heart" hahaha NOTHING to do with the starting topic.

And now the discussion is Stockton and silicone Valley HAHAHAHA WHAAAATTTT

[Pedestrian]

^^We need a saluting smiley.

[alextay]

Now you can watch MLS Standings live at any time or from any where.

[CaliNative]

Originally Posted by caligrad

Because that's when you create NEW threads like everybody else does.

What if I randomly bring up Elvis ? and his contribution to LA (HA) and people started talking about that ? that's completely morphing the thread into something totally different, hence, create a new thread if Canals, highways and airports become the topic of discussion when it becomes "MY city is more important because it has more international flights" kinda madness. HAHA.
Especially when the beginning topic was "LA has a SF at heart" hahaha NOTHING to do with the starting topic.

And now the discussion is Stockton and silicone Valley HAHAHAHA WHAAAATTTT

Wasn't "silicone valley" the name given to the porn producing districts of the San Fernando Valley? Thread evolution happens, just like life forms evolve into new species.

[CaliNative]

Originally Posted by dimondpark

Also, the Modesto-Merced CSA already qualifies to be merged into the Bay Area as 17% of their residents commute ALLLL the way over here, look for that merger to happen in 2020 or so.

Including Stockton, that will make a whopping 1.4 million central valley residents part of the Bay Area and the total 'csa' population stands at 9.562 Million as of 2016.

When will the Bay Area's inland invasion end? I cant say.

I do know that some already jest that the forthcoming bullet train will become a commuter rail between Fresno and the Bay.
http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/07/2...alley-express/

The expansion of the "Bay area" into the Central Valley and that of L.A. into the "Inland Empire" will continue as long as real estate prices remain unaffordable for many people in the core cities. Better rail transit links to the inland suburbs will only accelerate the process. More affordable/denser housing in the core will slow it down. If the bullet train ever happens, or Musk's "hyperlink", we might see commuters heading to L.A. & S.F. from Coalinga & Fresno. Some commuters already drive to L.A. from Bakersfield. The Metrolink commuter rail lines make Palmdale & Lancaster & Morongo Valley & Corona living places for many of the urban "prols". Housing costs are less than 50% of those in L.A. Stockton's revival is still in the early stages.

[CaliNative]

Originally Posted by Pedestrian

No worse than a football team that calls itself the "San Francisco 49ers" and plays in a place that can take hours to reach from San Francisco (it's actually probably quicker to get to Stockton than Santa Clara).

Pedestrian, will S.F. remain S.F. when all the poor "bohemians" can no longer affford to live there? Will S.F. as a rich enclave be recognizable as the city we all know (or knew)? Will Oakland be the "new" San Francisco?

[Pedestrian]

Originally Posted by CaliNative

Pedestrian, will S.F. remain S.F. when all the poor "bohemians" can no longer affford to live there? Will S.F. as a rich enclave be recognizable as the city we all know (or knew)? Will Oakland be the "new" San Francisco?

Well, naturally I don't know the answer and it's something San Franciscans endlessly obsess over (and many "activists" use as a justification for blocking various forms of "development") but I am skeptical because every generation of Franciscans that I have encountered has bewailed the changes that make the city less pleasant than when they were growing up or when they moved to SF.

Herb Caen's 50 Years : Prophet of 'The City' Sees Decline
April 16, 1987
THOMAS B. ROSENSTIEL and DAN MORAIN | Times Staff Writers

SAN FRANCISCO —

. . . the 71-year-old columnist has turned sad about his city and skeptical of the mythology he helped to create.

"San Francisco is in the December of its years," Caen wrote in a recent column. "Where did it all go haywire?"

"Where once we had 'characters' who were adopted and cared for by tycoons," Caen wrote another day, "we now have people sleeping in the streets."

Once the West's lone citadel of civility, San Francisco today is beset with big-city problems. It has smog and traffic, homeless people and vacant high rises. Business is moving to the suburbs, finance to Los Angeles. The city survives in large part on tourism.

"I got a letter recently from a girl who said she had a choice of going to San Francisco or Disneyland," Caen noted bitterly.

In part, Caen attributes what he sees as San Francisco's decline to the civic narcissism that his column has epitomized. And others agree.

"He understood this city," said Frank McCulloch, managing editor of the San Francisco Examiner. "The nihilism, the isolationism. This city loves its own belly button" . . . .

The mythological San Francisco that Caen invented and dubbed "Baghdad by the Bay" was a dream at the end of the continent, a "temple to tolerance" and "safe harbor for the lost souls of faraway tragedies."

It was a place filled with bookies, poets and rogue politicians who gathered for sharp talk in Madam Sally Stanford's whorehouse salon. It was "run-down cable cars that still run up the hills . . . the Bay Bridge, hunching its thin shoulders and reaching out to clutch the Oakland shore . . . the Chinatown market owner chasing a squawking white duck along Grant Avenue . . . crooked streets, crooked tunnels, and honest cops who wear old-fashioned seven-point stars" . . . .

http://articles.latimes.com/1987-04-...94_1_herb-caen

It surely is all different now: The high rises are full and have more than doubled in number, half the Bay Bridge has been replaced, online gambling is maybe soon to be legal and the bookies have been put out of business, the cops are maybe still honest but completely cowed by cop-hostile progressivism, the cable car system was completely renovated 30 years ago and may be due for more renovation now . . . but the politicians are still rogue.

And as for Oakland, they seem to envy it all and want to duplicate it so I recommend the bohemians look to maybe Eureka or Ukiah (quite a few have already gone to Ukiah). There just isn't anywhere cheap in the Bay Area any more.

[Sun Belt]

Originally Posted by Pedestrian

And as for Oakland, they seem to envy it all and want to duplicate it so I recommend the bohemians look to maybe Eureka or Ukiah (quite a few have already gone to Ukiah). There just isn't anywhere cheap in the Bay Area any more.

I was thinking that you have to leave not just S.F., but the state entirely -- to a place like Boise or parts of Colorado and Oregon.