PITTSBURGH | Development Rundown II

[Austinlee]

If Columbus's Continental wants to build something decent on the north shore, give us the North Bank Condo tower (In Columbus):





It would be perfect for people who work downtown.

[BrianMM111]

Originally Posted by Jonboy1983

Regarding the Parkway Center Mall, yeah, rumor has it they want to propose a massive 10,000 space parking garage...

Seriously, if anyone has details about this, I want 'em...!! I anticipate some mixed use development, maybe TOD. Isn't there a nearby TOD development going up or about to go up?

Kossman has had a brochure on their website for a few years pertaining to the redevolopment of Parkway Center Mall:
http://www.kossman.com/pdf/TheShopsParkway.pdf
I'm not too sure if they are still considering this plan or not.

According to this article from the Post Gazette, it seems they are willing to tear down the mall if an appropriate tenant comes aboard...

Parkway Center Mall developer plans large changes after loss of Kmart
Thursday, October 11, 2012
By Teresa F. Lindeman, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
Kmart's decision to pull out of Parkway Center Mall after the holidays has convinced the mall's owner to stop trying find a new tenant for the existing property and start from scratch on a redevelopment plan that could bring sweeping change.

Read more: http://old.post-gazette.com/pg/12285...#ixzz2979tNGzs

[BrianTH]

Originally Posted by Austinlee

If Columbus's Continental wants to build something decent on the north shore, give us the North Bank Condo tower (In Columbus). . . . It would be perfect for people who work downtown.

The lots right next to Allegheny Station would be perfect for a cluster of such towers.

[Jonboy1983]

I'm kinda hoping a new tenant will come in; one that would make tearing down the mall pretty much inevitable. A LRT extension would be cool, but yea I'm not sure about the feasibility of that. Altho, if they want to extend it from S.H.J to Parkway Center, why not extend it to Settlers Ridge, Robinson, Moon, and then to the Airport. It would make more sense than building another river crossing under the Ohio River from Allegheny Station, at least from a feasibility standpoint...

[themaguffin]

Rail to parkway center would take many, many years. However even without rail, the location deserves more density.

[bmust71]

Originally Posted by Jonboy1983

Are you kidding me? My post earlier about that was pure sarcasm. Wow, people in Western PA really are that narrow-minded and short-sighted when it comes to planning and land development/redevelopment proposals.

Needs to be mixed use high-density office/retail/residential several stories in height. I'd say in the 8 to 10 story range...

Markson and Austinlee, you're right on about the scale of development necessary from the North Shore. Now with the T extension operational, let's build something that reflects the direct accessibility to the subway/light rail system. The North Side is now connected to Downtown via rail transportation. Development demand is likely to jump over the next decade or so, so we need to plan to accomodate that growth. Adding another floor for office use, yeah that will not cut it. We need to see some CBD-type development over here. Delmontie and Equitable went up prior to the breaking ground of the T extension. We need to see development of at least that scale if not more so. I guess nobody fully understands the whole concept of the impacts transit, particularly rail transit, can have on surrounding land uses and land development.

See also: the impact of Phoenix's light rail system, or even closer to home yet, what about the proposal for Mt. Lebanon? Attention City of Pittsburgh bureaucrats and land planning professionals affiliated with Pittsburgh development, I say stick to your forte, whatever that might be; urban planning surely as hell is not it!

What do you mean, "the proposal for Mt. Lebanon?"

[Austinlee]

Originally Posted by BrianTH

The lots right next to Allegheny Station would be perfect for a cluster of such towers.

That's what I was thinking.

[GeneW]

Originally Posted by markson33

I would still like to see some residential over on the North Shore. The original plan had a couple of pretty cool looking apt/condo buildings on the lot close to PNC Park.

I have seen a plan for Parkway Center that included a huge double deck garage. If they build it, it would be doomed from day one.

As someone who lives three blocks from Heinz Field, I can't think that too many people would want to live down on the Northshore. Between football games, baseball games, concerts at AE and fireworks on (what seems like) every other night during the summer, you wouldn't get much quiet time.

[Private Dick]

Originally Posted by BrianTH

The lots right next to Allegheny Station would be perfect for a cluster of such towers.

I'm not sure about that location. That's right next to Heinz Field. In between the stadium and the casino and the Science Center, right? Or am I thinking of a different location?

If so, I think I would hate to live right there, but maybe that's just me. Maybe I'm just not envisioning it in the same way you are. Aside from immediate access to the T, it almost seems too hemmed in by those large activity centers. Just seems like it would be a pain or totally desolate, depending on if there was a game or not.

Also, I know there have been plans to expand the Science Center for awhile now (I remember Jean Nouvel's plans were rejected due to huge cost about 10 years ago)... I think expansion would pretty much eliminate any chance for residential tower development on that lot.

Anyone remember this... or know about any future plans for the Science Center?

http://www.carnegiemuseums.org/cmag/...ulaug/csc1.htm

[Minivan Werner]

A spot that'd be great for a cluster of towers similar to Portland's South Waterfront would be the current wasteland between the Veteran's bridge & the Heinz lofts.

[Jonboy1983]

Originally Posted by bmust71

What do you mean, "the proposal for Mt. Lebanon?"

You forgot about the decking over the Mt. Lebanon T station with the intention of building a large development there? It was all over the PG and Trib a little while ago. I haven't read anything since then that would indicate it has fallen through or not materialized. I assume it's quitely in the works...

[bmust71]

Originally Posted by Jonboy1983

You forgot about the decking over the Mt. Lebanon T station with the intention of building a large development there? It was all over the PG and Trib a little while ago. I haven't read anything since then that would indicate it has fallen through or not materialized. I assume it's quitely in the works...

I live in Mt. Lebanon and haven't heard of that until now... there is a 7 story Marriot under construction right next to the T station though.

[Austinlee]

Originally Posted by Private Dick

Anyone remember this... or know about any future plans for the Science Center?.

LOL! I'm so glad you posted that. I was searching for that image like a month ago and couldn't find that thing. It's kinda cool but also kinda hideous. Probably best that it wasn't built.

[Austinlee]

Anyone looking for a house on Mt Washington? I recommend this one, on the market now: 207 Bailey Ave. 4 bedrooms, 8 bathrooms. 4.2 mil. Check out the pics.

[MattofSloppyVariety]

I think they shot a porn there....

[BrianTH]

Originally Posted by Private Dick

Aside from immediate access to the T, it almost seems too hemmed in by those large activity centers. Just seems like it would be a pain or totally desolate, depending on if there was a game or not.

Allegheny Station is actually quite close to the Western Avenue business district, and of course the North Shore Riverfront Park is a great amenity. Meanwhile, a football stadium is actually a relatively unobtrusive neighbor as stadiums go.

[chucka]

There are renderings of a revised Science Center expansion on Indovina Associates Architects website:
http://www.indovina.net/CurrentProje...nceCenter.html

[glowrock]

Interesting! Any idea if and when this expansion will actually take place?

Aaron (Glowrock)

[AaronPGH]

That would be a gorgeous addition to the science center! Hope it comes to fruition.

[Grego43]

Originally Posted by AaronPGH

That would be a gorgeous addition to the science center! Hope it comes to fruition.

Looks like an addition to the casino...I'd rather they bring back Nouvel's design.