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Old Posted Aug 25, 2019, 11:38 AM
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The field at THF gets used a ton. The stands? Not so much. I think that's the point of the "10 times a year" comment, about actual money making opportunities.
All the events in that tweet were money making opportunities with people in the stands, even public use events like minor sports still have to pay rent so I'm not sure what the derisive initial response was supposed to mean..
     
     
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All the events in that tweet were money making opportunities with people in the stands, even public use events like minor sports still have to pay rent so I'm not sure what the derisive initial response was supposed to mean..
It means that there must be financially beneficial use for the stadium operator. Use of the field by a rugby or lacrosse group that attracts a handful of paying spectators (if any) is not going to pay the bills. If they are charged meaningful fees to use the place they will not be going there very long or risk going broke. Same hold true for minor sports or using the field for practices. The number of significantly-paying dates is what matters.
     
     
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It means that there must be financially beneficial use for the stadium operator. Use of the field by a rugby or lacrosse group that attracts a handful of paying spectators (if any) is not going to pay the bills. If they are charged meaningful fees to use the place they will not be going there very long or risk going broke. Same hold true for minor sports or using the field for practices. The number of significantly-paying dates is what matters.
My post was meant to deride the whiners and naysayers from posting their usual FUD. Somehow, I don't think you or I are qualified to talk with relevant knowledge about the economics of running a stadium. I did know a guy who ran a major arena though.
     
     
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Leblanc is allegedly a businessman.
So why did he schedule the game for an evening start and expect customers with children to pay a high price for a family and a 2 hour drive from Halifax, and then slash the prices and change game time ?
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 25, 2019, 8:42 PM
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Leblanc is allegedly a businessman.
So why did he schedule the game for an evening start and expect customers with children to pay a high price for a family and a 2 hour drive from Halifax, and then slash the prices and change game time ?
You know everything about the CFL, business, and local politics, why don't you tell us? Get some quotes from the leftist drivel rag you subscribe to, to back up your claims.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 25, 2019, 11:47 PM
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You know everything about the CFL, business, and local politics, why don't you tell us? Get some quotes from the leftist drivel rag you subscribe to, to back up your claims.
As a reader of the Globe and Mail for over 40 years I can firmly state that it is a fine newspaper and Cathal Kelly is a very good sports columnist with a great turn of phrase, not a word out of place.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 26, 2019, 12:45 AM
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As a reader of the Globe and Mail for over 40 years I can firmly state that it is a fine newspaper and Cathal Kelly is a very good sports columnist with a great turn of phrase, not a word out of place.
Cathal Kelly a pro soccer piss poor hack, it figures. So he knows the on goings in Halifax being 2000k away? You're better off with your lefty "Examiner".
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 26, 2019, 1:02 AM
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Cathal Kelly is a great writer and as a football fan his latest column, posted an hour ago, describes the pain and suffering of Andrew Luck :
' Luck’s reasoning for his decision was sensible. Like most pro football players, he’s hurt all the time. Unlike most pro football players, he would prefer not to be.

“I’ve been stuck in this [rehab] process,” Luck said later. “I haven’t been able to live the life I want to live. It’s taken the joy out of this game........"
In order to play pro football, there must be some element of self-delusion in your personality – “Someone will get it, but not me.” Once you get it, “What are the odds that will happen twice?” And when it happens twice, “Not three times,” and so forth.

I once walked the length of a long hallway behind Joe Montana. Montana was another smart cat who played quarterback well, but did so for a long time. He managed to avoid serious injury through most of his career.

In retirement, Montana looked like a man who’d just staggered out of a car wreck – slow, creaky, an uncomfortable side-to-side gait. The former 49er was in his mid-50s at the time. He moved as though he were far older.

This is how these guys end up, even the brightest, luckiest and best protected of them.'
I assume you subscribe to the Globe and Mail. Too bad you cannot write as well as Kelly
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You do realize when you come to spread the FUD, you will get a response.
     
     
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My post was meant to deride the whiners and naysayers from posting their usual FUD. Somehow, I don't think you or I are qualified to talk with relevant knowledge about the economics of running a stadium. I did know a guy who ran a major arena though.
Your continual derision and negative comments are the main reasons that I tend to not read your posts nor to take them seriously. You clearly have chosen to look at one side only and to defend that one-sided point of view with a great degree of emotion. Similar to many political discussions of late, if somebody disagrees with your posts you turn to personal attacks rather than to participate in a balanced and respectful conversation.

Reading down in this thread, I see there are no reasons to change my habits for the time being. I will not take your negative response to this post seriously either, so please don't expect a response from me.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 26, 2019, 6:42 PM
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Your continual derision and negative comments are the main reasons that I tend to not read your posts nor to take them seriously. You clearly have chosen to look at one side only and to defend that one-sided point of view with a great degree of emotion. Similar to many political discussions of late, if somebody disagrees with your posts you turn to personal attacks rather than to participate in a balanced and respectful conversation.

Reading down in this thread, I see there are no reasons to change my habits for the time being. I will not take your negative response to this post seriously either, so please don't expect a response from me.
Could care less what you think, Colin wants to play dirty and he will be responded to in kind. There's a difference between posting clear arguments and FUD and obviously you can't seem to be able to distinguish between them so I suggest you add my name to your ignore list.

Further, the post you quoted from me clearly stated my purpose, no constant and relentless insidious little shots like some (aside from this sentence, the irony is not lost on me), just an obvious punch straight to the nose. Because if people do say a stadium will only be used for ten CFL football games a year, they are either morons or FUD posting trolls who deserve all the scorn they get. Sorry if the truth offends.

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Schooner Sports and Entertainment's plan for a CFL team and a new Halifax stadium is expected to be revealed soon
Francis Campbell herald.ca September 24 2019

Regional council and local residents should get a preview of the plan to bring a Canadian Football League team and stadium to Halifax Regional Municipality within a couple of weeks.

“We received the proposal from the proponent (Schooner Sports and Entertainment) and we’re sifting through it,” Jacques Dube, chief administrative officer of the municipality, said Tuesday.

Dube said he and his team are working on a summary document to present to council and the public.

Dube and his staff were tasked nearly a year ago with assessing the viability of a proposal by principal SSE partners Anthony LeBlanc, Gary Drummond and Bruce Bowser and recommending to council if it should or should not be a go for the municipality.

The chief administrative officer and company only received the SSE plan in late August and Dube contends, despite the pending sneak preview for council, that his deliberation will take half a year.

“This is going to be a five- to six-month process, minimum, to get a final recommendation before council. At this point, we’re not in a position to recommend any particular option,” Dube said. “The update will be: here’s the proposal, here’s a summary of it, here’s all the documentation we’ve been given permission to release and we’ll be back to you, council, with a regular check-in.

“Obviously, should council want us to proceed with this, we’ll have a recommendation for them in five or six months from now, I suspect sometime in the spring,” he said.

Crown talks

The SSE ownership originally proposed a 24,000-seat stadium to be built at a cost of $190 million but tempered its vision to a $130-million community stadium with 12,000 permanent seats and the capability of adding 12,000 more temporary seats.

Through an agreement with Sport Nova Scotia, the stadium could accommodate minor sports when it is not in use for professional football.

SSE has negotiated with Canada Lands — the federal Crown corporation tasked with managing and redeveloping surplus military properties — for the purchase of an eight-hectare plot of land in the 33-hectare Shannon Park site by Halifax harbour.

In a recent note to its stakeholders, Canada Lands reported that it was approached by SSE in 2018. Canada Lands signed a letter of intent that outlined specific conditions that SSE must meet before it would consider any sale of land.

The conditions include requiring SSE and HRM to undertake public engagement with the community regarding a community stadium use; that Canada Lands and SSE co-ordinate efforts with Millbrook First Nation and neighbouring developing plans; and, that HRM approve a revised concept plan for Shannon Park lands.

“To date, the conditions outlined in the letter of intent have not been fully satisfied,” the Canada Lands notice said.

“That’s the site they suggested and we’ll look at that, certainly from a transportation and planning perspective, road access, ferry access, transit access, all those kinds of things, the impact on the neighbourhood,” Dube said. “We have no real comment to make until we’ve gone through it in a little more detail.”

Multiple funding options

Anthony LeBlanc said in an email Tuesday that his group has worked closely with senior staff at HRM over the past weeks to provide clarification where needed and to answer any questions.

“Both HRM and SSE strongly agree that it is of critical importance that we are transparent and very collaborative and consultative during this process, therefore we are working toward releasing the business plan and proposal to the public in the very near future,” LeBlanc said. “We humbly believe that we have put together an innovative proposal that has a variety of options for public sector participation in conjunction with significant private sector involvement, and all we ask is that everyone review the concepts with an open mind.”

He said the community stadium proposal should be considered a positive, not just for HRM and Nova Scotia but for the entire Atlantic region.

Dube, sitting in on a capital budget plan discussion at council Tuesday, said there are a number of funding options in the SSE plan. The one that seemed most reasonable for the municipality is a tax incremental financing (TIF) model, a public financing plan used as a subsidy for redevelopment, infrastructure and debt financing

“That’s not really an impact on the capital budget,” Dube said. “It’s not a direct hit on the capital budget.”
     
     
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The article is pretty unclear about how much will be borrowed, how it will be repayed, and what the totals will be. I guess we should look at the report directly.

I really dislike how the discussion on financing has gone. The province said no to paying out of general revenues so the CFL promoters are proposing a complicated scheme that ties specific taxes on hotels and car rentals to paying for the CFL. Maybe some hotel rooms and car rentals will be for CFL attendees but they won't all be. Why implement a distortionary tax like this that makes hotel rooms and rental cars less appealing?

I think it would be far better if the city and province simple built and owned a stadium, just like any other piece of public infrastructure. Then the CFL promoters would pay to use it.
     
     
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I think it would be far better if the city and province simple built and owned a stadium, just like any other piece of public infrastructure. Then the CFL promoters would pay to use it.
But then it would cost $750 million, not be ready for 8 years, have potholes in the field of play, use eco-friendly turf that does not grow, have seats with no backs, only serve non-alcoholic sugar-free drinks in biodegradable cups, offer no fried or sugary food, and would only be accessible by foot or bike lane.
     
     
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But then it would cost $750 million, not be ready for 8 years, have potholes in the field of play, use eco-friendly turf that does not grow, have seats with no backs, only serve non-alcoholic sugar-free drinks in biodegradable cups, offer no fried or sugary food, and would only be accessible by foot or bike lane.
Lotta truth there Keith - Corporate realism vs. Political fantasyland.
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But then it would cost $750 million, not be ready for 8 years, have potholes in the field of play, use eco-friendly turf that does not grow, have seats with no backs, only serve non-alcoholic sugar-free drinks in biodegradable cups, offer no fried or sugary food, and would only be accessible by foot or bike lane.
Protected bike lane or standard issue?
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But then it would cost $750 million, not be ready for 8 years, have potholes in the field of play, use eco-friendly turf that does not grow, have seats with no backs
BMO and THF are city owned and were among the least expensive builds of the new stadiums.
     
     
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BMO and THF are city owned and were among the least expensive builds of the new stadiums.
This is HRM the Good we are talking about here. They spent 2 million on smokers outpost receptacles. Everything is top dollar.
     
     
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