Winnipeg Jets - Page 105

Mininari · #**2081** Posted **Mar 29, 2011, 7:27 PM**

Good reply.

I'd also like to add that this notion that the "NHL will be good for downtown" is precisely what that statement says. Good, as in "will benefit." Its not going to be the one thing that RESTORES downtown Winnipeg to its former glory. No, its simply a (glamorous) piece of the puzzle. Couple it with the Educational Insitution Expansion, new student residences, new condos, historical building conversions, etc. etc. Keep in mind that Chipman's other associated NHL developments (hotel, parkades, etc) will no doubt be positive developments for Winnipeg too.

Go to any other city with a large, "successful" downtown, and see what they have to offer. Take Vancouver for example: The canucks live downtown at Rogers Arena, and the surrounding bars and restaurants do well on game nights. But theres also theatre, a casino, art gallery, clubs, shopping, trendy restaruants, and tons of condo developments. Granted, I'm not saying Winnipeg will be like Vancouver because the NHL comes back, but will be on its way to establishing a larger variety of downtown entertainment.

roccerfeller · #**2082** Posted **Mar 29, 2011, 8:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by h0twired

How exactly is an NHL team "good for downtown".

What happens to the businesses the other 320+ days of the year when there isn't a game at the MTS Centre?

While I agree that having an NHL team certainly has it's benefits. I don't see how one could say that it is good for downtown specifically. Most arenas are built outside of the core areas of most cities and its not like they attract a ton of businesses to be built in the area around the arena because of the team.

It certainly adds to potential revenues for nearby bars, restaurants and parking lots, however one could say the same would be the case for more concerts or other events at the MTS Centre and not just an NHL team specifically.

That said. I am looking forward to watching the Jets 2.0.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dpenner

Its not that the return of the Jets will be the savior of downtown winnipeg does not mean it wont specifically benefit it. During the 320 days a year it will still be the same concerts and shows but having an nhl team is an additional 42-55 (if we win the cup

) days a year in which the MTSC will be drawing 15000-20000 people downtown when most concerts/events dont draw capacity and beyond (with exceptions of the big big names). These 42-55 days are also during 6-7 month season which occur mostly during the winter in which most winnipeggers are hibernating in their homes and not moving about. You also comment on how most arenas are built outside the city core. Winnipeg is lucky to have a downtown arena that is accessible and will attract business (TNSE has major plans in store that are directly related to the team). Most of all it will give downtown itself a stronger identity by having a major league sports team that plays in it and makes it visible. Portage and mains fame as what most people identify downtown winnipeg with will change to the MTS Center, home of the jets

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Originally Posted by Mininari

Good reply.

I'd also like to add that this notion that the "NHL will be good for downtown" is precisely what that statement says. Good, as in "will benefit." Its not going to be the one thing that RESTORES downtown Winnipeg to its former glory. No, its simply a (glamorous) piece of the puzzle. Couple it with the Educational Insitution Expansion, new student residences, new condos, historical building conversions, etc. etc. Keep in mind that Chipman's other associated NHL developments (hotel, parkades, etc) will no doubt be positive developments for Winnipeg too.

Go to any other city with a large, "successful" downtown, and see what they have to offer. Take Vancouver for example: The canucks live downtown at Rogers Arena, and the surrounding bars and restaurants do well on game nights. But theres also theatre, a casino, art gallery, clubs, shopping, trendy restaruants, and tons of condo developments. Granted, I'm not saying Winnipeg will be like Vancouver because the NHL comes back, but will be on its way to establishing a larger variety of downtown entertainment.

@ hotwired

pretty much what dpenner + Mininari said

(and guys, be open to a new name...not necessarily the Winnipeg Jets...

)

edit: (not only not necessarily, but also not likely...its very likely going to be a new brand. Not the Jets. Neither the MB Moose. But it will pay some tribute in certain ways to BOTH brands, plus the historical hockey brands...very likely...)

rypinion · #**2083** Posted **Mar 29, 2011, 8:58 PM**

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Originally Posted by roccerfeller

Not the Jets. Neither the MB Moose. But it will pay some tribute in certain ways to BOTH brands

A Moose AND something that flies?

roccerfeller · #**2084** Posted **Mar 29, 2011, 9:11 PM**

lol

we'll have to find out together

rapid_business · #**2085** Posted **Mar 29, 2011, 9:27 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by rypinion

A Moose AND something that flies?

Haha... how awesome would it be to start a press-conference or press-release with:

"And now, here's something we hope you'll really like!"

SHOFEAR · #**2086** Posted **Mar 29, 2011, 9:30 PM**

Oni, You owe my employer a new keyboard. Coffee everywhere....

Mininari · #**2087** Posted **Mar 29, 2011, 11:30 PM**

This is a little amusing:

http://www.torontosun.com/sports/hoc.../17799726.html

Tuesday, March 29, 2011

Winnipeg forbidden topic in Coyotes locker room

By Paul Friesen, QMI Agency

Last Updated: March 29, 2011 6:41pm

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GLENDALE, Ariz. — Officially, it’s a forbidden topic on game days.

But that doesn’t mean members of the Phoenix Coyotes aren’t interested in discussing the latest news surrounding the franchise’s future.
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wayward_prince · #**2088** Posted **Mar 30, 2011, 5:13 PM**

re: name...like I’ve said-it is my opinion that, Manitoba or Winnipeg Falcons is most likely. Although I prefer the name of our city on it, that is for sure.

rapid_business · #**2089** Posted **Mar 30, 2011, 5:53 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by SHOFEAR

Oni, You owe my employer a new keyboard. Coffee everywhere....

Good.

freeweed · #**2090** Posted **Mar 30, 2011, 6:56 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by roccerfeller

edit: (not only not necessarily, but also not likely...its very likely going to be a new brand. Not the Jets. Neither the MB Moose. But it will pay some tribute in certain ways to BOTH brands, plus the historical hockey brands...very likely...)

The Winnitobans? Manipeggers?

I have a hard time envisioning any word or combination of words that pays tribute to both jets and moose, as well as falcons and warriors and other things. Unless it's like Anaheim's old unwieldy name, but worse:

*cue Van Halen's Jump*

Ladies and gentlemen, here come your Manitoba Moose Jet Warrior Falcons of Winnipeg!!!!

roccerfeller · #**2091** Posted **Mar 30, 2011, 7:51 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by freeweed

The Winnitobans? Manipeggers?

I have a hard time envisioning any word or combination of words that pays tribute to both jets and moose, as well as falcons and warriors and other things. Unless it's like Anaheim's old unwieldy name, but worse:

*cue Van Halen's Jump*

Ladies and gentlemen, here come your Manitoba Moose Jet Warrior Falcons of Winnipeg!!!!

My interpretation was its not about the name, but the franchise as a whole. Think how the Wild pay tribute to the North Starts. Different colors, different team, name etc...but they have that retro style jersey, and they do retro nights, sell old jerseys in the store, etc...

chrisallard5454 · #**2092** Posted **Mar 31, 2011, 5:54 PM**

Goldwater Institute
March 31, 2011
It’s a familiar story: a sports team convinces a city to issue millions in bonds, with promises that parking revenues will be sufficient to pay back the debt. Parking prices increase, while the lots fill to only 60 percent capacity even on game day.
This is happening right now in New York City, where taxpayers financed $102 million in bonds at the demand of the Yankees. Glendale could suffer the same fate if it closes on its proposed deal to finance $116 million in bonds with parking fees for the Coyotes hockey team, leaving taxpayers on the hook if the fees aren’t enough to pay the bond...

http://goldwaterinstitute.org/article/5890

chrisallard5454 · #**2093** Posted **Mar 31, 2011, 8:30 PM**

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sport...rticle1965283/

Matthew Hulsizer was waiting for further analysis from the Goldwater Institute of his proposed deal to buy the Phoenix Coyotes and hoping the public watchdog might finally have a kind word for him.

Another look at the deal came Thursday afternoon from a Goldwater lawyer and undoubtedly Hulsizer is feeling chagrined.

Carrie Ann Sitren wrote a report for Goldwater that once again said the municipal bond deal to provide Hulsizer with $100-million (all currency U.S.) to help buy the Coyotes from the NHL for $170-million and cover this season’s losses of $40-million, is a bad one for the taxpayers of the suburban city of Glendale...

chrisallard5454 · #**2094** Posted **Mar 31, 2011, 8:31 PM**

http://www.azcentral.com/community/g...a-coyotes.html

Glendale is staring down the barrel of a potential National Football League lockout at University of Phoenix Stadium, the possible loss of the Phoenix Coyotes at Jobing.com Arena, funding gaps at the city's spring-training ballpark and nearly-dead plans for a USA Basketball facility.

Now, Fiesta Bowl misdeeds threaten the organization's membership in the Bowl Championship Series, which allows it to host a top-tier college-football game in Glendale annually and a national-championship game every four years...

freeweed · #**2095** Posted **Mar 31, 2011, 9:44 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by roccerfeller

My interpretation was its not about the name, but the franchise as a whole. Think how the Wild pay tribute to the North Starts. Different colors, different team, name etc...but they have that retro style jersey, and they do retro nights, sell old jerseys in the store, etc...

Ah - BRAND. Makes sense now. I always view that word as referring to the NAME of something, but I forget that modern marketers have broadened the use of the word to mean just about everything - ie: the "experience".

So yeah, I gotcha now. Personally a small part of me will die if they don't go red, white and blue.

Mininari · #**2096** Posted **Apr 1, 2011, 2:21 AM**

Another lawless article.
Some interesting bits about the Atlanta Situation.

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/bre...119032624.html

Will NHL be back? Definitely maybe

By: Gary Lawless

Posted: 03/31/2011 8:06 PM | Comments: 5

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With the Coyotes on the verge of a playoff run, there is potential the deal could gain momentum. Sellouts are likely, even in Phoenix, once the post-season begins and don’t be surprised if the 15 years of futility is forgotten for a short time. All will be rosy, with fans in the stands and the cash registers ringing.

We believe it will be short-term and once the buzz fades the problems associated with NHL hockey in Phoenix will return.

Bettman will hang in on the Phoenix deal at least until the Coyotes season is done. He’s not going to deem the club a lame duck with tickets still to be sold. So it wouldn’t surprise us, if in all the warmth and fuzziness of a playoff run, more bond money comes forward.

It also wouldn’t surprise us if it didn’t happen. It’s a coin flip.

An NHL executive told us the other night the situation in Atlanta is far worse than anyone is letting on. The owners have approached Bettman on a number of occasions in attempts to unload the franchise.

There is limited interest in the Thrashers in terms of local ownership stepping up to keep them in Atlanta.

Just as important is the limited appetite among NHL leaders to spend much time working on this file. Phoenix has consumed more time and money than the league could have ever imagined and once it’s done — Atlanta will be solved one way or another in short order.
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