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Old Posted Nov 9, 2017, 10:49 PM
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We should cover Sparks St, similar to Fremont St in Vegas. I think shutting out the inclement weather would work wonders.
I wonder if covering it would do anything to improve its current status as Ottawa's largest wind tunnel.

I agree that LRT is going to bring some much needed foot traffic to Sparks. I imagine a number of potential businesses will be looking at prime urban commercial space a block away from a number of LRT stops.
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Another round of sparks street revitalization.

http://www.obj.ca/index.php/article/...-sparks-street
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Revitalized to death?
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Revitalized to death?
Seriously.

Less planning, more letting.

And a moratorium on new federal public-sector ground-level uses anywhere along the length.
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The "questionnaire" is a joke. 250 characters for what should be a national landmark and attraction? Ha! That just shows me the City of Ottawa is not serious in the least.

You want to fix Sparks Street? It's going to take dedication, planning, and a fair bit of money.

Bank street and Elgin are north/south roads that are the definition of mixed use. Along these streets, you can find shopping, residential, business, entertainment, and restaurants and cafes. Downtown is partially dead because there's no connection between these two; a connection that can easily be found in Sparks Street as it connects both streets and will be a stone's throw from the future downtown rail tunnel and related stops.

The greatest challenge to Sparks street's success is the sheer mass of bureaucracy it takes to get anything done. The NCC, Public Works, the city, the BIA and the Sparks Street Mall Authority all have a say in how the shopping district is run. An agreement would need to be reached between all parties that the entire street should be rezoned as medium-rise mixed-use development. That's your starting point.

Another challenge Sparks street faces is that it can no longer be the premier luxury shopping street, especially in the wake of Holt Renfrew's closing. Companies like Nordstrom and Tiffany's have relocated to enclosed malls like Rideau Centre and Bayshore. This precludes the traditional shopping street setup of many European cities as ever having a chance on success on this street.

Either through expropriation or new development opportunities east of Bank street, a mix of condos and affordable rental units need to be built in order to acquire a local population base. What do people do in their neighbourhoods - or rather, need to do? They want to go to cafes and restaurants (not exactly a problem on this street, so good). They need to buy groceries. They want to attend events, be they at art galleries, theatres, community centres, or live music venues. They want to browse and shop (not great here, but that's not exactly an impossible situation to solve).

Having festivals like Ribfest, Poutinefest, and Buskerfest, etc. are all well and good, and should continue and be encouraged. But hey, you know what Sparks street and the area is lacking that the Byward Market and other neighbourhoods aren't? A Farmer's market. Between the condos on Bank and future condos on Sparks street, that should be enough of a catchment for a modest market.

Another problem with Sparks street is the wind tunnel effect. It gets quite windy there, so the winds would need to be broken up by something. I would suggest trees, but Sparks is kind of like a canyon at the moment so they may not thrive in such a place.

Stop-gap measures like a casino or zipline won't fix Sparks. Sparks needs to be a year-round destination, which means it needs local citizens (condos and apartments) and things neighbourhoods need to keep people there. You need shops, restaurants, cafes, bars, music venues, community centres, markets, theatres, etc.

And though it may not be environmentally friendly, you could encourage people to come to Sparks street if it was artificially heated with street lanterns. Who would want to walk down Queen, Albert, Slater, etc. when there was a heated street just a few blocks away? That's a detour most of us would only be too happy to take in the dead of winter.

With the absence of a movie theatre in the Rideau Centre and now World Exchange, there is no home for cinema in the downtown core when there used to be at least two. Even if it is put into what amounts to a ground floor and a basement, a movie theatre complex would be useful and be a destination for tourists and locals alike. A live music venue should be encouraged on the street. If possible, I would even ask the Ottawa Little Theatre to move into a new space if it became available.
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I don't think they could ever add enough residents to be able to support a retail street 4 blocks long. They would have to demolish almost every building along the street. I wonder if they should just throw in the towel. It was a nice idea in the 60s but doesn't make sense now. Keep it pedestrian only between metcalfe and elgin and open up the street to cars, buses, bicycles for the rest of it. They could still close the street for special events.
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The "questionnaire" is a joke. 250 characters for what should be a national landmark and attraction? Ha! That just shows me the City of Ottawa is not serious in the least.

You want to fix Sparks Street? It's going to take dedication, planning, and a fair bit of money.

Bank street and Elgin are north/south roads that are the definition of mixed use. Along these streets, you can find shopping, residential, business, entertainment, and restaurants and cafes. Downtown is partially dead because there's no connection between these two; a connection that can easily be found in Sparks Street as it connects both streets and will be a stone's throw from the future downtown rail tunnel and related stops.

The greatest challenge to Sparks street's success is the sheer mass of bureaucracy it takes to get anything done. The NCC, Public Works, the city, the BIA and the Sparks Street Mall Authority all have a say in how the shopping district is run. An agreement would need to be reached between all parties that the entire street should be rezoned as medium-rise mixed-use development. That's your starting point.

Another challenge Sparks street faces is that it can no longer be the premier luxury shopping street, especially in the wake of Holt Renfrew's closing. Companies like Nordstrom and Tiffany's have relocated to enclosed malls like Rideau Centre and Bayshore. This precludes the traditional shopping street setup of many European cities as ever having a chance on success on this street.

Either through expropriation or new development opportunities east of Bank street, a mix of condos and affordable rental units need to be built in order to acquire a local population base. What do people do in their neighbourhoods - or rather, need to do? They want to go to cafes and restaurants (not exactly a problem on this street, so good). They need to buy groceries. They want to attend events, be they at art galleries, theatres, community centres, or live music venues. They want to browse and shop (not great here, but that's not exactly an impossible situation to solve).

Having festivals like Ribfest, Poutinefest, and Buskerfest, etc. are all well and good, and should continue and be encouraged. But hey, you know what Sparks street and the area is lacking that the Byward Market and other neighbourhoods aren't? A Farmer's market. Between the condos on Bank and future condos on Sparks street, that should be enough of a catchment for a modest market.

Another problem with Sparks street is the wind tunnel effect. It gets quite windy there, so the winds would need to be broken up by something. I would suggest trees, but Sparks is kind of like a canyon at the moment so they may not thrive in such a place.

Stop-gap measures like a casino or zipline won't fix Sparks. Sparks needs to be a year-round destination, which means it needs local citizens (condos and apartments) and things neighbourhoods need to keep people there. You need shops, restaurants, cafes, bars, music venues, community centres, markets, theatres, etc.

And though it may not be environmentally friendly, you could encourage people to come to Sparks street if it was artificially heated with street lanterns. Who would want to walk down Queen, Albert, Slater, etc. when there was a heated street just a few blocks away? That's a detour most of us would only be too happy to take in the dead of winter.

With the absence of a movie theatre in the Rideau Centre and now World Exchange, there is no home for cinema in the downtown core when there used to be at least two. Even if it is put into what amounts to a ground floor and a basement, a movie theatre complex would be useful and be a destination for tourists and locals alike. A live music venue should be encouraged on the street. If possible, I would even ask the Ottawa Little Theatre to move into a new space if it became available.
I agree that the questionnaire is a joke. They didn't put much effort into it at all.

I wonder if they could put an independent corporation in charge of Sparks Street like they're doing for the market to eliminate the bureaucracy. Or forget it being 100% independent and let each of the stakeholders appoint a representative to the board of a semi-independent corporation.

In my opinion, part of the problem is that the actual retail spaces on Sparks are tiny. Aside from the restaurants and small independent retailers that are currently on Sparks, who else can fit in such small spaces? The only hope for Sparks is for it to because a food destination with restaurants, the Pusateris type of food store they were talking about for the Re, and/or a farmers market (as other people have mentioned).
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The only hope for Sparks is for it to because a food destination with restaurants, the Pusateris type of food store they were talking about for the Re, and/or a farmers market (as other people have mentioned).
Rather than food, I would make it an entertainment district with a combination of restaurants, trendy bistros and pubs. Something that will not only attract workers on their lunch breaks and those staying in downtown hotels, but will draw people in during the evening when they want a night on the town. To encourage the latter, maybe throw in a few trendy bars or night clubs.
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Rather than food, I would make it an entertainment district with a combination of restaurants, trendy bistros and pubs. Something that will not only attract workers on their lunch breaks and those staying in downtown hotels, but will draw people in during the evening when they want a night on the town. To encourage the latter, maybe throw in a few trendy bars or night clubs.
I'm sure everyone would like to see that, but how does the BIA/city/NCC get restaurants, trendy bistros, trendy nightclubs and pubs to set up shop and people to go?
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I'm sure everyone would like to see that, but how does the BIA/city/NCC get restaurants, trendy bistros, trendy nightclubs and pubs to set up shop and people to go?
If they are all on the same page, they first need to approach appropriate business people and investors with a proposal. They can also provide a variety of incentives (tax relief for landlords, grants for businesses and promises of free marketing) for businesses that fit within their image to setup shop.
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Interestingly, there was a market square down at Lyon and Sparks Street. This is why Lyon is such a wide thoroughfare.

But we need more than just restaurants, pubs and night clubs. We already have that at the ByWard market. We don't want to drain that.

I am not sure why a casino is not considered a destination but we need a better mix of everything on Sparks Street.

We have made a little progress with some interesting restaurants. But I would even consider an urban Walmart on Sparks to be a step forward and a draw, if such a thing can possibly exist.
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But we need more than just restaurants, pubs and night clubs. We already have that at the ByWard market. We don't want to drain that.
I was thinking something a bit more high end and chique than what is in the market.

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Huh??? I can't think of anything that would kill Sparks St. more than Walmart. Why would someone go past all the Walmarts in the suburbs to go to a mini, downtown Walmart?
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I was thinking something a bit more high end and chique than what is in the market.



Huh??? I can't think of anything that would kill Sparks St. more than Walmart. Why would someone go past all the Walmarts in the suburbs to go to a mini, downtown Walmart?
So people from the city centre don't drive to Walmart in the suburbs as they do now. We have actually created a reverse commute for shopping compared to the old days.

It wasn't that long ago that downtown was full of lower end retailers, Zellers, Woolworths, Metropolitan, Kresge's. Many lower income people live within easy access of downtown. Why not also serve them as well?

If we want downtown to thrive, we have to diversify it like in the old days to attract a broader range of shoppers and other visitors. It shouldn't just be upscale, which really narrows the demographics.
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So people from the city centre don't drive to Walmart in the suburbs as they do now. We have actually created a reverse commute for shopping compared to the old days.
I'm not suggesting they shouldn't have a Walmart in the city centre. I am just saying Sparks St. isn't the best place for it if we want a vibrant downtown core.
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Sparks street does not need a Walmart or any big box stores that offer generic goods, which are all under threat from online shopping anyway. What they need to attract is unique, experience-driven retail. Places that offer in-store customizing/personalization is the big thing in Asia and Europe. For example, Nestlé has been opening these Kitkat Chocolatory stores that have customers formulating their own Kitkat bars. A concept that could be translated to jewelry, apparel and many other products. Retail needs to reinvent itself by bringing back the personal experience. With the LRT vastly improving accessibility along with tourist traffic, I could see Sparks Street becoming popular if it got into this niche.
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Another problem with Sparks street is the wind tunnel effect. It gets quite windy there, so the winds would need to be broken up by something. I would suggest trees, but Sparks is kind of like a canyon at the moment so they may not thrive in such a place.
It gets no windier on Sparks than anywhere else, and, in fact, is often less windy than ambient wind speeds, depending on direction.

Buildings are pretty good at blocking wind. We should get more buildings.
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In my opinion, part of the problem is that the actual retail spaces on Sparks are tiny.

I would call that a feature, not a bug. Most of the new construction in the downtown core and neighbouring areas feature retails spaces that are tailored to Shoppers, Rexall, or maybe a large convenience chain like Circle K.

Ottawa has a lack of small business spaces, and its getting worse.
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Huh??? I can't think of anything that would kill Sparks St. more than Walmart. Why would someone go past all the Walmarts in the suburbs to go to a mini, downtown Walmart?

One wouldn't.

One who already lives or works centrally would avoid going to the suburbs to go to a maxiwalmart, just as one now often goes to the urban Winners that opened in part of the former Zellers space in 2015.
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It gets no windier on Sparks than anywhere else, and, in fact, is often less windy than ambient wind speeds, depending on direction.

Buildings are pretty good at blocking wind. We should get more buildings.
https://www.windfinder.com/windstati...ottawa_airport

Dominant winds in Ottawa are from the Northwest, especially in winter. Sparks street is perfectly alligned to funnel wind from the Northwest.
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Dominant winds in Ottawa are from the Northwest, especially in winter. Sparks street is perfectly alligned to funnel wind from the Northwest.
As are all parallel streets downtown, no?
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