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Old Posted Apr 18, 2018, 8:09 PM
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^ I think he means that it doesn't look cohesive, and I am in agreement with that. Looks like its trying to do a lot at once.

The lobby would have been the one sole interesting facet of this otherwise banal, architectural afterthought of a tower, and they managed screwed it up. Wonderful.

At least it will earn the city a good amount of property tax revenue compared to the Walgreens that used to occupy the site...
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I don't get the impression that too much is going on. What exactly is too much here?
There's four contradicting design choices going against one another in the space in front of the lobby... It would be one thing if the tower was also wacky and postmodern, but it's a blue box. None of it makes any sense from a stylistic standpoint
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Old Posted Apr 18, 2018, 9:31 PM
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The design spirit here is in such contrast to CNA’s existing home. The bright red boxy building is bold, simple and straightforward and memorable.

The new building tries to hide itself up-top and the lobby just doesn’t know what it wants to be with a mish-mash of generic design trends.

The most interesting thing about this entire project was that crane hung off the side of the building. The precariousness of that feature should have made its way into the structural offset at the corner.

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Old Posted Apr 18, 2018, 10:15 PM
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The design spirit here is in such contrast to CNA’s existing home. The bright red boxy building is bold, simple and straightforward and memorable.

The new building tries to hide itself up-top and the lobby just doesn’t know what it wants to be with a mish-mash of genric design trends.

The most interesting thing about this entire project was that crane hung off the side of the building. The precariousness of that feature should have made its way into the structural offset at the corner.
Expect to see this steel cantilevered crane base again. There is currently one on Renelle, but it is not very obvious.
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I don't get the impression that too much is going on. What exactly is too much here?

Imo there are just too many materials/textures/elements. Imo the one I dislike most is the staggered multi-color stone facade element. That would look better if it matched the simpler metal facade.

The staggered ceiling recesses also clash with the staggered facade. They just aren't in harmony.

I like the chrome column and glass walls. I actually like a lot of these elements individually - but all together they just don't flow. This is just my subjective opinion, of course.


Ronan was actually a professor at my undergrad. Never took his studio though. Didn't know this was his. I usually love his stuff. He has a very clean, refined aesthetic. See the Poetry Foundation in Chicago. So this is kind of surprising.
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the shiny metal column, the atrocious stone "pattern" cladding at the base... yeah this one is a major misfire i wonder what happened. i think we were all expecting something at least refined from Ronan but... ugh no such luck.
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Old Posted Apr 21, 2018, 3:58 PM
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we appreciate this type of attitude "breaking the rules" attitude in rock and rap, why not architecture?
bigger budgets and "dream" clients don't happen everyday.
i would have to think, yes, this building is WAY BETTER THAN THE WALGREEN'S (a recurrent theme here). so get over it.
and better than the bashing it's being given on this thread. so architect ronan, take it on the chin, dust yourself off and live to fight another day.
Breaking the rules is great and all (I don't see this building doing that?), but a rock or rap song that's a jumbled mess and doesn't go anywhere logically or stylistically doesn't make for a good, or even listenable, song. Same goes with architecture.

Yes, this building is better than the old two story Walgreens that was here. But almost anything else would have been quantitatively better than that previous use, that doesn't mean we have to settle for a dumpster fire of an office tower simply because it crossed the threshold of a bar that's been set very low.

I don't know about you, but I'm not simply happy to settle for whatever blasé design happens to ride into town. This is Chicago, not Topeka. We can and should be critical of architecture that does not contribute to or meet the standards of the city's rich architectural heritage.
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Ok the patterned stone was a bad choice that clashes with the rest of the otherwise large seamless single color surfaces. The round column makes a lot more sense with rounded corners on the building which I'm guessing were VE'd. Otherwise it's a fantastic design. I think the cutout at the entrance that mirrors the park and overhang of the building to the west is really smart. Ronan is a fantastic architect but this design is not his best work.
     
     
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the shiny metal column, the atrocious stone "pattern" cladding at the base... yeah this one is a major misfire i wonder what happened. i think we were all expecting something at least refined from Ronan but... ugh no such luck.
Refined? Not really the first word I'd use to describe Ronan's work.

Most people know the Poetry Foundation because it's downtown, and that one is pretty refined for obvious reasons, but most of his buildings are on the South Side and look like this... all brightly colored and funky, with syncopated rhythms and textures. The entry at CNA Center is exactly the kind of thing Ronan does, it just uses an office-building language of granite, brushed aluminum and glass.



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Ever since the rounded corners got VE'd, I had been been rather meh about this tower. Every time I would walk past, it disappeared. It only reflected the sky and buildings around it.

Walked past about two weeks ago and the lobby changed my mind. It's interesting at street level. No gem but no dog either.
     
     
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The ground level is turning out decent, at least
     
     
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I hate to say it but this base turned out like garbage.
     
     
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