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Old Posted Mar 9, 2011, 12:26 PM
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Envie & Capital Hall [101-105 Champagne Ave] | 78m + 68m | 28f + 22f | Completed

Mastercraft-Starwood held the option to develop the old Ottawa Humane Society shelter site on Champagne Ave (the lot north of their SoHo Champagne site), but according to Eric Darwin, it looks like they've let their option lapse, Ashcroft has picked it up. Whoever winds up developing this site, it looks like it's in play now, so I thought I'd open a thread to kick of discussion.

http://westsideaction.wordpress.com/...e-record-that/

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Did someone record that?
Posted on March 9, 2011 by westsideaction

It isn’t enough to carry around a camera. A tape recorder would be useful too. And, while we are at it, a pause button to allow me to get it out and capture what I just heard.

Such were my feelings last fall, just before the municipal election, when Planning Committee was discussing the proposed development Soho Champagne. This condo complex will soon be underway by Starwood Mastercraft, at the corner of Champagne and Hickory Street by the O-Train.

Neighbours were there to object to the size and height of the proposed condo building. I forget how high the original proposal was, but by time it came before planning committee it was scaled down a bit to a 20 storey and 16 storey condo on top of a 3 storey podium building.

Immediately to the south is the 853 Carling site owned by Arnon (Mike Casey), now before the OMB, who want twenty-some floors of office or condo development. I hear Charlesfort (Doug Casey) is now working up a proposal for another of their signature buildings here.

At the meeting the assigned planner for the Soho site droned on and on, jargon mixed with terminology and a mumbled jumbo of planning voodoo. But, a sudden moment of clarity! Some plain English! (this is the point where I wished I had a tape recorder). Because at this moment the planner said the Soho buildings were compliant with a good planning practice (and quite coincidentally the city’s written plan, too), a gradient of heights descending from high at Carling (the Arnon site) to the 20 storey Soho tower and further down to the 16 storey second Soho tower. And that they should continue to get lower as one went north, away from Carling, and further into the community.

The reason my bunny ears perked up wasn’t just because he mis-spoke in plain English for a moment, but because I knew that Starwood-Mastercraft had an option on the doggy-shelter site immediately north of their Soho Champagne site. A similar size to their first site, I expected them to later want another 20 and 16 storey towers on a podium for the Humane Society site. But the planner was clearly saying the next lot would have to have shorter buildings, as the height gradient continued downslope from Carling. Hmm.

Mastercraft then let the option on the Humane Society site lapse. It has now been picked up by … Ashcroft. Now the doggy site isn’t of the Our Lady of the Condos caliber; there are no giant willow trees; there will be no well-organized Island Parkers seeking to preserve it as greenspace.

But when Ashcroft comes up with plans for high rises, I do wish we had that Planning Committee tape, those vital 18 seconds, wherein the planners said good practice, and the city’s plan, was for a declining gradient away from Carling, and we all heard the Planning Committee members nodding their heads in solemn agreement.
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Envie & Capital Hall [101-105 Champagne Ave] | 78m + 68m | 28f + 22f | Completed

Official Plan Amendment Application
http://app01.ottawa.ca/postingplans/...appId=__8ODN8V

Two new buildings at 22 and 25 storeys, Primarily residential use. Approx 252 condominium units.

Developer: Ashcroft
Architect: bbb architects

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Old Posted Jan 11, 2012, 11:03 PM
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oops, there's already a thread.... harls can you merge?
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=189365
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Kind of surprised at this; would have thought developers would 'step down' from the Soho site adjacent to the south. It would be fine for the corner of Carling and Champagne, but this is right next to the park.

I would keep the southernmost tower and have something mid-rise stepping down to lowrise near the border of the park.
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I generally like the look, but the sketch is pretty vague so I'll reserve judgment. The site is one that can handle the density, but the height may be too much of a contrast to its surroundings. In any case, I don't think they'll be approved to go that tall.
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Old Posted Jan 12, 2012, 2:58 PM
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Like the look of this development, and I love the fact that that part of the city is going to soon be it's own city centre/downtown skyline of it's own when the other condo's and developments start going up there...
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Personally I think this sort of height is OK for the location. The only problem will be with shadows to their rear neighbours on Norman/Pamilla/Adeline Streets and Ev Tremblay Park. Considering their proposal for SOHO Italia at 30-35 stories just a few blocks away, 22 & 25 are a lot further down. Plus with development bound to happen at the empty lot at Preston/Carling and the close proximity to rapid transit (85, 101, O-train) I believe this should be approved. I'm also liking the idea as Davis137 said about this becoming it's own little mini-centre with Offices, commercial and residential!

Just to add, anyone know if this lot at Rochester/Beech is still an empty parking lot prime for development?
http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=101+cha...h&z=19&vpsrc=6

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Just to add, anyone know if this lot at Rochester/Beech is still an empty parking lot prime for development?
http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=101+cha...h&z=19&vpsrc=6
It's still a parking lot, not sure who owns it. I've long thought that that particular lot would be an excellent location for someone to build Ottawa's tallest. I'd like to see office or mixed-use on that site.
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I like the improvements they're proposing for the park and their ideas for almost making the development a part of the park. I also like the diagram showing how EV Tremblay will link to the Hickory Street Crossing and linear park/pathway along the O-Train line.

On a side note, in that picture of the parking lot at Rochester/Beech the Booth Complex looks a bit like the Distillery District in Toronto. It would nice if that was some kind of mixed-use area.
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On a side note, in that picture of the parking lot at Rochester/Beech the Booth Complex looks a bit like the Distillery District in Toronto. It would nice if that was some kind of mixed-use area.
Exactly
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You're absolutely right, that would be an awesome spot for somthing large and possibly tall too...(talking about that big empty parking lot in the maps photo link above).
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Eric Darwin has a post in his blog about this development:

The Dog Shelter Condos – Is Ashcroft Serious?
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November 2nd app.

Not sure whats the diffrence.

http://app01.ottawa.ca/postingplans/...appId=__8ODPYP
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^ the status is "Notice of Public Meeting Sent" which means this will be coming to planning committee soon with a staff report
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^ the status is "Notice of Public Meeting Sent" which means this will be coming to planning committee soon with a staff report
And again, I need to start reading the status.
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The planning committee meets Nov. 13.
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It's odd that city staff are recommending these for approval at 22 and 25 storeys when Mastercraft Starwood seems to be finding it hard to add four storeys to the Soho Champagne at 16 and 20.
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^ Mastercraft applied to the Committee of Adjustment for a minor variance rather than a second rezoning. The Committee may have felt that the variance was not minor and it should have gone through the rezoning process.
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