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Old Posted Mar 2, 2017, 3:33 PM
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I hope there's an option where $0.00 is spent...
There's never that option. They always start these reviews with the presupposition that we need to keep the thing. Then they hire a sports venue consultant which of course will tell you there's huge value in sports venues. Similar to the Chedoke golf course report, they hire a golf course consultant who then tells them that public golf courses are really important.

Though to be fair, this is a private report so no doubt it will tell them they need to pump a bunch of money into some kind of PPP.
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Old Posted Mar 2, 2017, 5:56 PM
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I'd really rather not see public money wasted on this...

If the mechanical systems need updating, fine. But the rest of the stadium is still doing its job. In all my visits to watch hockey games I've never noticed any issues with the concession stands, or with the seating, or any other areas of the venue. The jumbotron is fine too.

The cupholders suck. That's my only complaint, but we don't need to spend $70-250 million dollars to fix cupholders.
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Old Posted Mar 2, 2017, 10:21 PM
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Its still serviceable. It hosted an 18,000 person concert last night. Keep it in a state of good repair. Fix the broken escalator. Make the necessary repairs to the roof. Replace the upper bowl seats when the time comes.

No reason it cant last another 30 years.
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Old Posted Mar 3, 2017, 4:42 AM
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went to the concert last night and it was a full house ! very nostalgic to be in that stadium ... could definitely use a makeover just to freshen up its image and maybe some exterior work to update the facade
we are very lucky to have a really good sized venue like that here in Hamilton.. it would be a shame to let it go to waste and fall apart
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Old Posted Mar 3, 2017, 1:38 PM
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There should be a renovation option, say $25 million to fix the roof, repair the escalator, and maybe enough to replace the white facade with something more creative like steel mesh, pretty inexpensive.


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A lighter-cost reno option should be on the table.

I'd be wary of an inexpensive reclad though... on a building like this, it could look uber-cheap.

Aside from the utilitarian concourse, lack of 4-star amenities and luxury boxes, I really don't get the criticism that it's a "relic" -- the basics are still there and in good shape and work beautifully for the average crowd. After all, 'the play's the thing'... and Copps/FOC has staged so many of those, and will continue to for the foreseeable future without tens and tens of millions of bucks pumped into its innards and outards.

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Yeah fix the roof and the escalator. If McCartney is going to come to town, people are going to go. Most people aren't sitting in luxury boxes anyways, and general admission anywhere is just a floor anywhere.
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Old Posted Mar 29, 2017, 9:27 PM
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Don’t renovate FirstOntario Centre: city staff

Hamilton Spectator
By Matthew Van Dongen
http://www.thespec.com/news-story/72...re-city-staff/

City officials are recommending against major renovations to the aging FirstOntario Centre — including a $250-million "NHL-ready" conversion — outlined in a new private sector-funded study.

That $250,000-renovation study, by international venue experts Brisbin Brook Beynon Architects (BBB), was commissioned in 2015 after local lawyer Jasper Kujavsky offered to drum up private sector cash to pay for the research.

The city has had the study since late last year. But it stayed under wraps as city staff crafted an accompanying recommendations report for council, which is now public online in advance of an April 5 meeting.

City staff calls the renovations study a "valuable tool" but also recommend taking no action on the two renovation scenarios explored. Those included:


•a $68-million "remodeling" designed to extend the life of the 31-year-old building, add modern concessions and luxury boxes to the lower bowl;

•a $252-million full-scale renovation designed to turn the 17,000-seat facility into an "NHL-quality professional sports and entertainment facility."

Instead, city facility managers recommend essentially sticking to the status quo, "prioritizing capital needs that relate to health and safety and legislative compliance."

The city currently sets aside $800,000 a year for capital upgrades shared among the FirstOntario Centre, FirstOntario Concert Hall and Hamilton Convention Centre.

It's unclear if any of those "health and safety needs" encompass infrastructure issues identified as factors that contributed to Hamilton's lost bid to host the upcoming Memorial Cup tournament.

The Hamilton Bulldogs had made a pitch to host the event, but the Canadian Hockey League identified the state of the former coliseum as a "concern."

Current issues include an escalator that has been broken for three years or more and a main elevator prone to problems.

The city is in the midst of a 2017 budget crunch that has so far spurred council to get rid of 23 managers and administrative staff and put off planned transit improvements.

Hamilton also estimates it already spends $195 million less on infrastructure upgrades, particularly to roads, than needed every year.
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Making Hamilton's FirstOntario Centre 'NHL-ready' would cost $250M
City staff recommend against large-scale renovation to the city's signature events venue

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilt...250m-1.4046406

A new study pegs the cost of renovating the FirstOntario Centre to an "NHL-ready" point at $252 million, but city staff say there are other much more urgent budget issues to deal with instead.

The renovation one of two options outlined in a new study of the city's signature hockey and events venue, scheduled to be presented to city councillors next Wednesday.

That NHL-ready option consists of a "complete transformation" of the 32-year-old, 17,000-seat building complex.

The other option costs $68 million and would be a "partial upgrade" and add modern boxes and concessions to the lower bowl.

City staff say they don't recommend pursuing either option.

"Based on the cost of the proposed renovations and the uncertainty of whether Hamilton could attract a tenant that could fully utilize a modern 18,000 seat arena, staff recommends that the city does not move forward with either renovation option at this point in time," a report from city finance staff states.

That recommendation is likely to go over well with some councillors.

Before even seeing the report, Coun. Sam Merulla said earlier this month the issue "shouldn't even be on the back burner."

"You know that drawer at the bottom of the stove that nobody uses? That's where it belongs."

Currently the city sets aside $800,000 a year for upgrades to the arena, the convention centre and the concert hall — "prioritizing capital needs that relate to health and safety and legislative compliance." It also has set aside another $100,000 for the concert hall for the next four years.

Rejecting either or both of these renovation options doesn't change that, the report states.

The Canadian Hockey League rejected Hamilton's recent Memorial Cup bid this year partly because of problems with the arena.


This re-imagination of the exterior of First Ontario Centre that is part of a consultants report on how to upgrade the aging arena. (BBB Architects)
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Zero public dollars should be used to make it "NHL-ready". It would be a total waste of money.

The only public money that should be used for FOC is for the bare minimum needed for maintenance so that it doesn't fall apart.

However, depending on the price-tag - I wouldn't have a problem with using public money to renovate the exterior. It's such an eye-sore and a exterior refresh would go a long way in sprucing up the downtown since it takes up so much space. I would love to have it look something like the "re-imagination" image included.
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im all for an updated exterior but that consultants rendering makes it look like a renovated limeridge mall.
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I like it.
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im all for an updated exterior but that consultants rendering makes it look like a renovated limeridge mall.
I disagree. It has the look of a modern office building - which I think looks nice.
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It would be sweet to host WJHC games. We need an "NHL calibre" arena for that. Doesn't mean we are gunning for an NHL team or as expensive like the ACC.
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There's tons more of conceptual renderings in the pdf link. It's a massive file size though, so it'll take awhile to load.
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It would be sweet to host WJHC games. We need an "NHL calibre" arena for that. Doesn't mean we are gunning for an NHL team or as expensive like the ACC.
Yea, but spending that kind of money just to host the WJHC every 5 years at most is a terrible return on investment. You only make it "NHL ready" if you have an NHL team as a tenant.
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Don't understand why the City owns Copps or those other facilities. Do they actually make money on them? I'd be stunned.
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Yea, but spending that kind of money just to host the WJHC every 5 years at most is a terrible return on investment. You only make it "NHL ready" if you have an NHL team as a tenant.
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New Hamilton arena in Bulldogs owner’s playbook

https://www.thespec.com/sports-story...er-s-playbook/

The owner of the Hamilton Bulldogs says it's time for this city to build a new arena to replace the antiquated FirstOntario Centre. And he's ready to put his money where his vision is to make that happen.

Michael Andlauer says he's been contemplating this for years but he's now reached the point that he's prepared and eager to get rolling.

"I'd love to do something," he says.

While Mayor Fred Eisenberger sounds decidedly noncommittal about getting involved in any project of this scale, he says the city is willing to listen.

Andlauer, a part-owner of the Montreal Canadiens who's owned the local team for nearly 15 years and has kept it in the FirstOntario Centre, says he'd like to see a new 5,000-10,000-seat facility built somewhere within the city. He expects it would cost between $60 million and $100 million, depending on size and amenities.

At 32 years old, the arena formerly known as Copps Coliseum is approaching relic status among North American venues. In February, the city lost out on hosting the Memorial Cup in large part because the organizing committee said the arena simply wasn't good enough.

A month later, a consultant's report said it would take $68 million to make the kinds of changes that would update the facility to extend its life. However, council voted to pass on that option and simply pay for maintenance and repair as needed.

Asked for his thoughts on their decision at that time, Andlauer offered no comment. But he now says it's time to get started on a new project.

"We have to look at the future of sports and entertainment in this city in terms of facilities," he says. "I mean, it happens everywhere across North America. I'm open to suggestions. I'm open to participating."

He points to London's 9,100-seat Budweiser Gardens, Oshawa's 5,500-seat General Motors Centre, Mississauga's 5,000-seat Hershey Centre and St. Catharines' 5,300-seat Meridian Centre as guides for what Hamilton could emulate: a modern facility with up-to-date amenities that are more appropriately sized for most of the events that come here — and far more appropriate for an Ontario Hockey League team — than the 17,000-seat arena.

The most recently built of those is the Meridian Centre, which came in at about $50 million. Which really brings us to the crux of the whole thing.

What about the money?

It's become abundantly clear that the city isn't interested in forking out endless millions for such a project. Not when FirstOntario Centre is still standing. And not when Hamilton has a $3-billion-plus infrastructure deficit hanging over its head.

"Obviously, cost and who bears the cost is going to be the central issue," Eisenberger says. "If Mr. Andlauer is prepared to finance something like that, that makes the conversation a lot easier."

While Andlauer says the city would likely have to be part of the project — whether that's all cash or a combination of cash and land is unclear — he's prepared to pay a significant portion of the cost out of his own pocket.

How much, exactly?

"I would jump in (with) whatever makes sense," he says.

Of course, owners of other franchises in cities all over the world have said similar things to get the ball rolling on a stadium or arena but have then begun squeezing their wallets when it came time to fork out. Should we not be concerned about the same thing happening here?

"No," Andlauer says. "I'm talking something substantial."

If a new arena was built, FirstOntario Centre could either be kept as a larger venue for concerts and events or it could be removed and the land on which it stands could be redeveloped publicly or privately to continue the growth of the downtown. This, of course, suggests a new building would not be constructed on the same footprint and might be located outside the core.

While no specific potential locations have been made public by anyone, Ward 7 Coun. Donna Skelly told The Spectator's Matthew Van Dongen that Lime Ridge Mall is the top property taxpayer in the city but is now in flux with Sears closing and the retail sector facing challenges from online commerce. Creating something in that area could be intriguing.

"We've had very, very, very preliminary conversations with him to see if there was an opportunity somewhere in the central Mountain," she said.

However, Eisenberger says he believes keeping any arena in the downtown would be key.

"Creating critical mass on sports and entertainment in the central part of the city, I think, is the right thing to do," he says.

Andlauer's not getting far ahead of himself to begin locking into specific sites yet. He simply wants the city to approach him with an idea. Or at least to show a willingness to explore what they might do together.

"As long as it makes sense for all parties, then it's worth doing," Andlauer says. "I think there's an opportunity to make something worthwhile, I really do."
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