[Burnaby] Southgate City | U/C & Proposed

[rickvug]

From earlier planning documents during the Masterplan stage:


The dark grey area is this Southgate City development, which will act as a third node within Edmonds town centre (the others being the Skytrain precinct and the traditional town centre at Kingsway and Edmonds St). It will be fascinating to watch Edmonds develop over the coming years as it is just so different than other town centres. I think there's a big opportunity here for Burnaby to stitch the nodes together with low to medium density developments. There are already a lot of townhouses. Burnaby might just end up with a neighbourhood that is more interesting (read: "messy") and family friendly than the other town centres. It looks like they are keeping the old walkups too! In my opinion the potential of Edmonds is very under-appreciated.

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by Sheba

Which 'space across the street' are you referring to? Most or all of the treed area there is part of Byrne Creek Ravine Park.

I wish Hydro would do something with their empty space but they don't seem to be in any hurry.

The "space" is occupied by low-rise condos [Edit: Googlemap says co-ops] on the pic (for all I know, there could be a tower there):

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by officedweller

The "space" is occupied by low-rise condos [Edit: Googlemap says co-ops] on the pic (for all I know, there could be a tower there):

Yeah there are four groups of buildings and at least two of them are co-ops. Also one of the other groups of builds looks newer. I wouldn't bet on there being any changes to that block in the next decade.

I wonder if that open stretch of grass kind of between the school and this development is where the Edmonds arena is going to end up.

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by Sheba

Yeah there are four groups of buildings and at least two of them are co-ops. Also one of the other groups of builds looks newer. I wouldn't bet on there being any changes to that block in the next decade.

I wonder if that open stretch of grass kind of between the school and this development is where the Edmonds arena is going to end up.

Yes, they just announced last month it's going to 10th Avenue and 18th Street:

http://www.burnabynow.com/news/new-e...ward-1.4683457

[scryer]

Just going to throw it in here that Metro Vancouver's idea of suburban design is drastically different from what other Canadian cities do. In fact these town centres would all be wicked downtown improvements to cities like Winnipeg, Regina, or Halifax even.... Just sayin' .

Now when one of these metro Van cities figure out that providing spaces for small independent businesses injects some soul into the neighbourhood, then we can start talking about a true secondary downtown.

The proposal is a little bland to be honest but it is definitely not something that is unwelcome.

[dleung]

^^Dunno what you're talking about. This is the same shit that every city does nowadays, and the same shit that Vancouver had been doing 30 years ago -which at the time was advanced but certainly not now...

[Pinion]

Originally Posted by scryer

Now when one of these metro Van cities figure out that providing spaces for small independent businesses injects some soul into the neighbourhood, then we can start talking about a true secondary downtown.

The proposal is a little bland to be honest but it is definitely not something that is unwelcome.

Virtually every new condo in North Van has retail/commercial at the bottom and Lonsdale is thriving these days. One upside to the bridge bottleneck problem.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by scryer

Just going to throw it in here that Metro Vancouver's idea of suburban design is drastically different from what other Canadian cities do. In fact these town centres would all be wicked downtown improvements to cities like Winnipeg, Regina, or Halifax even.... Just sayin' .

Now when one of these metro Van cities figure out that providing spaces for small independent businesses injects some soul into the neighbourhood, then we can start talking about a true secondary downtown.

The proposal is a little bland to be honest but it is definitely not something that is unwelcome.

Nothing to brag about. This phenomenon is happening only because of the City of Vancouver's refusal to grab development opportunities and go high density, forever shackled by their backward policies. Neighbourhood municipalities are just quicker to seek out the potentials that Vancouver is wasting away.

Many other Canadian cities do not attract the same kind of development opportunities that the Metro Vancouver region is enjoying.

[Tetsuo]

Originally Posted by Tetsuo

LedMac reached a deal with BC housing for their site on the other side of 14th AVE. In exchange for the land, they will be building a replacement 3 Story building with 90units and then on the most northern part of BCH's site will be housing for seniors.

https://www.bchousing.org/partner-se...ts/cedar-place

Also, by acquiring the site, this allows Burnaby to make 16th St. the main corridor connecting Edmonds/Kingsway with SouthGate.

I've been hearing some rumours regarding the city and BC Housing's land at Edmonds/Kingsway (Old Library + Old CC + BC Seniors housing), they're looking at a similar development deal as the quoted for their large site

[Aroundtheworld]

Originally Posted by rickvug

From earlier planning documents during the Masterplan stage:


The dark grey area is this Southgate City development, which will act as a third node within Edmonds town centre (the others being the Skytrain precinct and the traditional town centre at Kingsway and Edmonds St). It will be fascinating to watch Edmonds develop over the coming years as it is just so different than other town centres. I think there's a big opportunity here for Burnaby to stitch the nodes together with low to medium density developments. There are already a lot of townhouses. Burnaby might just end up with a neighbourhood that is more interesting (read: "messy") and family friendly than the other town centres. It looks like they are keeping the old walkups too! In my opinion the potential of Edmonds is very under-appreciated.

It also makes me think that this area would really benefit from having bikeshare, something that could help commuters deal with that 'last-mile'.

[Geof]

Originally Posted by scryer

when one of these metro Van cities figure out that providing spaces for small independent businesses injects some soul into the neighbourhood

They know. Or at least the planners do.

Back when, Jane Jacobs argued that vibrant neighbourhoods need buildings of different ages, old and new, because the funky little businesses that inject soul, as you say, can't afford brand-spanking-new rents. I asked a Burnaby city planner about this problem at an open house for one of Brentwood's upcoming master planned developments. She replied that they were aware of the problem, but where the old buildings don't exist the best they can do is try to provide for cheaper rents by requiring a variety of retail unit sizes.

Since then, it has occurred to me that the drawn-out patchwork development we're seeing in our town centres may be a good thing. In the long run, we will have a haphazard mix of older and newer buildings, with space for funky independent shops and trendy chains alike. If everything was built out at once, or from the centre outward, the skyline and street scape might be more harmonious, but there would be no mixing of building ages. Fortunately, that's not what's happening.

[Klazu]

Another rendering of the complex. I like the variation in height and the fact that there will be a clear landmark tower.


http://vancouverpresales.com

[urbancanadian]

^That render is quite accurate as far as the landmark tower goes. LedMac had applied to the city for a 46-storey tower there - the same as in the render. They are planning to call the development Icon.

As usual for Burnaby, there are no official heights, just the number of floors.

We won't see construction on this one for a little while though since it's only the third phase of the "island" neighbourhood. So this could be the third or fourth tower to be built in the overall plan.

[Marshal]

Originally Posted by rickvug

I just love planning documents: showing that vehicular connections align with streets is always valuable. It's the equivalent of those architecture drawings, typically sections, that show the airflow and shading - lots of wavy arrows and the like. All these documents give us the information elementary school students might provide, except they would be suspicious that they shouldn't draw such simplicities. Though they do still like the yellow sun and how the rays radiate. Kids.

[urbancanadian]

Finally have a rendering for Precedence, the first tower of the new community.


https://www.ledmac.com/communities/precedence/

[vanman]

New renderings of Southgate City.









southgatecity.com

[osirisboy]

Looks like dense suburban sprawl

[idunno]

Where's the mixed-use!? Pharmacy? Grocery store? Other daily needs?

Maybe this stuff exists, but they sure aren't showing it.

[vanman]

There's 200,000 sqft of commercial space planned in a later phase. You can see some of the retail in one of the renderings posted on the first page of this thread.

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by Tetsuo

LedMac reached a deal with BC housing for their site on the other side of 14th AVE. In exchange for the land, they will be building a replacement 3 Story building with 90units and then on the most northern part of BCH's site will be housing for seniors.

https://www.bchousing.org/partner-se...ts/cedar-place

BCHF Housing – SOUTHGATE EW-1

Integra Architecture is responsible for 6 multi-family low-rise buildings in 4 neighbourhoods.
Designed for BC Housing, this 90-unit building is located in Ernie Winch Neighbourghood of Southgate Village.