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Old Posted Feb 7, 2018, 5:04 AM
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I don't remember seeing this posted. One of the potential Amazon sites at the I-25/I-70 interchange as imagined by Tryba Architects. Some have wondered when Globeville, Elyria/Swansea and Chaffee Park would start to see serious gentrification, well this would do it..



https://crej.com/news/amazon-denvers...nd-blue-whale/
I do not think this one is happening. The property is currently on the market- I just saw the OM for it.
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Old Posted Feb 7, 2018, 3:57 PM
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I do not think this one is happening. The property is currently on the market- I just saw the OM for it.
I wonder what that says about the likelihood of Amazon coming to town? Hard to see an owner selling a property like this unless they knew Denver was out of the Amazon sweepstakes....even if this wasnt the site selected by Amazon its value would increase significantly with an Amazon announcement.
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Old Posted Feb 7, 2018, 4:00 PM
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Here is a more refined rendering:


Wow that will blend right in with all of our buildings from the 70's and 80's.
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Old Posted Feb 7, 2018, 4:01 PM
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I do not think this one is happening. The property is currently on the market- I just saw the OM for it.
I think Amazon choosing Denver is long shot but still interesting to see some of the proposals. That property has a lot of potential and is one of the last large pieces of real estate so close to downtown (the other being the RTD facility near TAXI). And only 1 stop from Union Station on the G Line.

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Wow that will blend right in with all of our buildings from the 70's and 80's.
It's more like a building from the 1960's, I think someone mentioned International style earlier, and it looks like a perfect bit of bland filler.

Certainly better than the Hyatt Place/Hyatt House on 14th.
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I do not think this one is happening. The property is currently on the market- I just saw the OM for it.
Well, anything Amazon did would be highly customized anyway - I don't think they'd just pick up the pieces on a pre-existing development plan.

This is very interesting site for future urban development, even if it doesn't get grabbed in this ever-waning "cycle" (though Amazon could create its own cycle, independent of the larger economic and real estate cycle).

Another site that occurred to me that wasn't mentioned but could be intriguing is the DPAC site, where the city has done preliminary analysis of a potential complete redevelopment. That would be a "glamour" site for Amazon, mixing business and other development such as the arts complex, residential and hotel.






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Old Posted Feb 7, 2018, 4:21 PM
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I think Amazon choosing Denver is long shot but still interesting to see some of the proposals. That property has a lot of potential and is one of the last large pieces of real estate so close to downtown (the other being the RTD facility near TAXI). And only 1 stop from Union Station on the G Line.
Seems like the Denver Post plant site has been shopped around for years, no one has found the secret sauce to make it work. Is the RTD central facility even an option for redevelopment? Can't see how the would be able to replace such an centrally located operational hub with something in the suburbs. I think one large site that has a ton of potential is the Union Pacific Yard: 70-plus acres directly adjacent to the 10th & Osage Station (not the 1/2 mile adjacent that the Post Facility or TAXI trumpets) with great freeway access and able to accommodate multiple uses.
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I wonder what that says about the likelihood of Amazon coming to town? Hard to see an owner selling a property like this unless they knew Denver was out of the Amazon sweepstakes....even if this wasnt the site selected by Amazon its value would increase significantly with an Amazon announcement.
Why would you pull a property off the market just because there "might" be some Amazon interest? You may well tell an interested party that the property is "available" but that you are considering offers or interests from several parties.

I can't imagine that owners of all the potential sites in the 20 cities on the final list are completely freezing or pulling their properties off market because Amazon has a potential interest. There's no reason to do that - might as well gauge market interest and keep your options open.
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Why would you pull a property off the market just because there "might" be some Amazon interest? You may well tell an interested party that the property is "available" but that you are considering offers or interests from several parties.

I can't imagine that owners of all the potential sites in the 20 cities on the final list are completely freezing or pulling their properties off market because Amazon has a potential interest. There's no reason to do that - might as well gauge market interest and keep your options open.
I guess I was coming at this from a different angle, as it was my understanding that the property was just put on the market. So my take was 'if you've had this property sitting in your portfolio for a few years and it is a potential Amazon site, why not wait six months to put it on the market----unless you know Amazon isnt coming'
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I guess I was coming at this from a different angle, as it was my understanding that the property was just put on the market. So my take was 'if you've had this property sitting in your portfolio for a few years and it is a potential Amazon site, why not wait six months to put it on the market----unless you know Amazon isnt coming'
I suppose that's right, but its interesting to wonder how Amazon is managing the process.

For example, is it informally messaging to city "finalists" that they are now "unofficially" no longer under consideration even though they were on the list a few weeks ago?

Or for cities with multiple sites, is Amazon messaging that site X if off the table but site Y is still viable?

Or perhaps Amazon is not even considering ANY sites until it has chosen a city or, perhaps (and I think this more likely), it is further culling the list of cities to identify the real "finalists" - a list of 2, 3 or 4 cities at which point it will focus on site options.

Given the extreme secrecy, I would have hard time believing that Amazon is messaging to any particular site owners that their site is rejected (which would increase the risk of leaks to the media since everyone is hot to trot on Amazon news), out of fear that their entire narrowing process will leak out incrementally. They've run a pretty tight ship so far.

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I think it's worth remembering we really don't know which sites were pitched to Amazon for Denver.....

From what I can tell, there were eight proposed sites, and all of them were redacted from the public release of what the city put forward. That's in addition to the exactly numbers on the financial incentives.

It's pretty hard to really know exactly what Amazon is thinking, especially when we really don't know the exact details of what was pitched to them, aside from anyone on this forum having insider knowledge.
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15th and Stout could certainly be worse. If the materials aren’t too cheap it will have kind of a 1950’s -60’s International style vibe.
I kind of agree on this one plus that color rendering that Rds posted with 23 floors-that could go up maybe in the 280 ft range. Btw I think they might be mimicking the next door historic Rio Grande building-15 st is getting a hella nice street wall.
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As for Amazon going to Sacramento-the Sacramento Bee had a story of Sac offering around 500 mil to them to locate in the downtown rail yards area.

Btw Sac is in the running for a 2.5 bil General Motors hybrid light truck plant and they're also courting Ford for a hybrid car or truck plant as well (I doubt Amazon would come here to Sac since they seem to want to go towards the east coast or central US).

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I can imagine them being more interested in a collection of blocks around 20th & Broadway than a self-contained TOD somewhere, if they're going for Seattle 2.

The DPAC site sounds highly unsuitable. Offices like larger sites to fit parking, and larger floorplates. They don't fit well with DPAC's facilities that will remain. The office point is true even with the low parking ratios Amazon is used to (1/1000 in the core, somewhat higher further away). Also it would be hard to hit the 8 msf target in that neighborhood.
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Old Posted Feb 7, 2018, 9:43 PM
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The DPAC site sounds highly unsuitable. Offices like larger sites to fit parking, and larger floorplates. They don't fit well with DPAC's facilities that will remain. The office point is true even with the low parking ratios Amazon is used to (1/1000 in the core, somewhat higher further away). Also it would be hard to hit the 8 msf target in that neighborhood.
Did you live in Denver at one time mhays? You seem to know the hoods very well.
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Old Posted Feb 8, 2018, 12:21 AM
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No, I just follow a handful of cities pretty closely including Denver.
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Then there's this! I love when unexpected areas randomly pull forward with large-scale development plans. Seems like the future of development in Denver will be watching all these satellite nodes spring up.

https://www.denverite.com/west-colfax-cloverleaf-48384/
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Old Posted Feb 8, 2018, 3:41 AM
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I passed by Block 162 and it looks like they have broke ground. It is such a large lot.
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Old Posted Feb 8, 2018, 11:26 PM
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Starting grow tired of this "Boulder-esque" attitude seeping through the remainder of the metro area.....

Perhaps this deserves to be in the front range dev thread, but it also applies to Denver development.

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/lif...orado-counties

If something like this passed, in conjunction with the green roof initiative, and a ban on slot homes the city is considering taking up, it will only add to the housing woes many are experiencing.... I really wish some of the backers of these initiatives understood that.
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Old Posted Feb 9, 2018, 12:11 AM
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Starting grow tired of this "Boulder-esque" attitude seeping through the remainder of the metro area.....

Perhaps this deserves to be in the front range dev thread, but it also applies to Denver development.

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/lif...orado-counties

If something like this passed, in conjunction with the green roof initiative, and a ban on slot homes the city is considering taking up, it will only add to the housing woes many are experiencing.... I really wish some of the backers of these initiatives understood that.
This goes back to a factor that's been noted on here a few times - the diverging interests between long-time Denver residents who own homes, and bought when prices were low, and younger or newer residents who don't own and have been impacted by high housing costs.

You are right, 1 percent growth limits would likely lead to soaring housing costs for those who don't already own. I think home owners are more likely voters though. If it makes it to the ballot, this may take a huge effort to defeat. I hear people complain about the growth and the traffic all the time and it may be tempting for people to think they can simply vote away the problems, without really considering consequences.

Interesting to think about what the impact would have been had this been in place since 2010.
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