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Old Posted Apr 17, 2012, 3:17 AM
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^ I think that's the best reason they should stay...
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Old Posted Apr 17, 2012, 4:39 AM
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That's what I'm thinking as well and my feelings on it are mixed. On one hand, I'd hate to see these buildings go because of their age but on the other hand, they really don't fit and look a bit too wild west small town with their design.
It would be beyond appalling to knock those buildings over. Those are the oldest commercial buildings left in the city, they can knock them down over my dead body.
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Old Posted Apr 17, 2012, 5:45 AM
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Yeah, that whole strip is prime for a facade rehabilitation no one better think of demolishing those buildings. The author should have expanded on what was mentioned regarding those buildings, or just left that info out of the article.
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Knock em down put in a corporate plaza with fountains and a sculpture. It would really help beautify the area and would give office workers a place up relax.
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Yeah, I hope those buildings stay there too. But it would be cool to build towers atop them
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Old Posted Apr 17, 2012, 4:38 PM
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The Fry Building on the corner of 2nd St and Washington is the oldest commercial building operating in Phoenix, built in 1885. It is on the National Register of Historic Places. Anyone looking to tear that down will be in for one hell of a fight.
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Knock em down put in a corporate plaza with fountains and a sculpture. It would really help beautify the area and would give office workers a place up relax.
Oakville grocery would maybe be nice too.
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Old Posted Apr 17, 2012, 6:57 PM
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Good call. Btw somewhat on topic, I went to that pizza place that majerles owns at like 1am in a Saturday. Wasn't bad.
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That's what I'm thinking as well and my feelings on it are mixed. On one hand, I'd hate to see these buildings go because of their age but on the other hand, they really don't fit and look a bit too wild west small town with their design.
A "bit too wild west small town" ? ? ? Is this a joke? That is precisely what Phoenix was when these structures were erected and they are a part of the history of the city. So what if they don't fit the scale of the area!

While I'm at it, I might as well throw in my personal opinion on "facade rehabilitation" - they are a joke most of the time and preserve little to nothing of the actual building.
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Old Posted Apr 17, 2012, 9:48 PM
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^ Huh? Facade rehabs reveal the original history of the building, something that has been covered up by contemporary, non-historic reskins.
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^ Huh? Facade rehabs reveal the original history of the building, something that has been covered up by contemporary, non-historic reskins.
Hm? I'm thinking of the SWC of 7av and McDowell.
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I think I misread kevinphx's post. There are bad facade jobs (slathering on more crap), and there are good facade jobs (revealing lost history).
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A bad facade job, is that like a bad boob job?
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Old Posted Apr 18, 2012, 12:21 AM
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^ Huh? Facade rehabs reveal the original history of the building, something that has been covered up by contemporary, non-historic reskins.
I should say I misunderstood and was thinking of the preservation of the facade alone while destroying the rest of the building - as has been done in other cities - perhaps even the addition of a modern highrise that rises through the original facade only.

Facade restoration I support.
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Yeah ... it can look cool from the outside, but the interior is rarely saved and in some cases disappears entirely, as in the case of the Hearst Building in NYC.

Doing the same thing to the Fry Building, et al would likely destroy the character and use of those buildings and result in their removal from any sanctioned list like the National Register.
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Lots of info on a few downtown projects here. The first, on the office tower on the empty block between Collier's and Cityscape, talks about a new 400,000 sq ft office tower with maybe a small residential or retail component. A bit underwhelming at only 400,000 sq ft seeing how the Cityscape tower is 568,000 sq ft, so this would be roughtly 2/3 of the size.
They also want to have a big portion of it leased before they even start construction so who knows what the timing on this is.

Second part is a bit confusing...says Luhrs had plans for an office tower on the side "just west of US Airways Center"...do they mean the empty parking lot? Then it says they are moving forward with plans for a Courtyard by Marriott on the same site...so they are no longer demolishing the Luhrs Central Building to build it on that block? Plans for the office tower have been cancelled it seems (the cool new tallest that was to go between the Luhrs Building and Luhrs Tower).


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Date: Friday, June 8, 2012, 3:00am MST


Owners of the Collier Center in downtown Phoenix want to develop a 400,000-square-foot office project on the undeveloped parking lot just north of US Airways Center.


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Developers have pondered a big hotel, condos, apartments and even an urban-style Target store for the parking lot nestled in between Collier Center and CityScape in downtown Phoenix.
Now, the owners of the Collier Center and Bank of America office tower in downtown Phoenix want to build a 400,000-square-foot office building on the long-undeveloped parking lot just north of US Airways Center.
The commercial projects show market optimism toward downtown Phoenix even as other parts of the Valley’s real estate landscape struggle to rebound from the recession. Developers involved with the new projects also expect to go after city tax breaks to help get construction going.
In the latest incarnation of the plan, Naples, Fla.-based Barron Collier Co. would team with Ryan Cos. on a commercial office building. CBRE Commercial Real Estate Services will handle leasing on the proposed development, according to CBRE broker Jerry Roberts, who handles leasing at the Collier building a block west of the site.
Downtown Phoenix had a much lower vacancy rate (16 percent) in the first quarter than the Valley as a whole (27 percent), according to Jones Lang LaSalle.
Other developers also are considering hotel and commercial projects downtown, while outlying cities tend to be struggling. In addition, RED Development’s CityScape has performed well on the leasing front despite the down market.
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Collier developers also are expected to seek property tax breaks from the city of Phoenix and want to have a high percentage of the project preleased before construction.
This would be the first of a new round of commercial and residential developers seeking property tax breaks in the form of government property excise lease taxes, or GPLETs, or possibly other incentives to help them ensure a successful project is built even in a tough financing environment.
CityScape received tax breaks from the city of Phoenix to help get it built and worked with the developer to offer competitive leases to tenants.
There could be some small retail or residential components to the proposed Collier/Ryan office project, though economic development sources familiar with the plan say the primary space will be offices.
Representatives of Barron Collier and Ryan Cos. declined to comment on their downtown plans.
Luhrs plan moving ahead

The Irvine, Calif., company that is redeveloping the Luhrs properties at Central Avenue and Jefferson Street also had been considering a new office project just west of US Airways Center, but instead is cautiously moving forward with plans for a Courtyard by Marriott hotel at the site, said Raj Hansji, president of Hansji Urban and owner of the Luhrs buildings.
“We’re starting to look at it again,” he said.
Hansji also owns an office building on the site that was built in 1914, as well as hotels in Southern California and Las Vegas.
Hansji said his company is looking at market conditions and construction costs of developing the hotel. They could apply for city tax and incentive help. Construction could start next year, he said, and an office development was considered, but there are no plans to move forward on that front.
Also downtown, a San Francisco investment firm recently acquired foreclosed properties next to Chase Field for $4.75 million that were previously slated by developer Dale Jensen to become the Jackson Street Entertainment District. In addition, Evergreen Devco Inc. and Westroc Hotels and Resorts are deciding whether to redevelop the weather-beaten Hotel Monroe into a 150-room boutique hotel.
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West-side story: Waterfront developer has downtown plans
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Date: Friday, June 22, 2012, 3:00am MST

A Chicago real estate developer wants to build a 21-story office tower that would be the first Class A building at the west end of downtown Phoenix.
Golub and Co. LLC, which developed the Scottsdale Waterfront, already has started preleasing the space and will seek property tax breaks from the city of Phoenix for 200 West Monroe. The 330,000-square-foot office building will cover the city block bounded by Van Buren and Monroe streets and Second and Third avenues. A parking lot and a shuttered auto repair shop are on the site now.
The Golub development could have a major impact on the downtown real estate market. While it will compete with older buildings for tenants, it will go head to head with a 400,000-square-foot office building planned by Barron Collier Cos. and Ryan Cos. on the parking lot parcel in between the Collier Center and CityScape.
The Golub and Collier plans are a good indication developers are gaining confidence that downtown Phoenix is recovering from the recession faster than outlying areas. In addition, the 200 West Monroe project would be the first Class A development in a part of downtown that currently consists of government buildings, courthouses and older properties off Van Buren.
“There is an appetite for development,” Golub Senior Vice President John Ferguson said of the downtown market.
He said construction could start next year, with delivery in 2015.
The Chicago developer is seeking property tax breaks from the city of Phoenix to help pay for the project. Many downtown developments, including CityScape, have received tax assistance. The Collier-Ryan project also is looking to secure property tax breaks.
Such aid helps projects get financing. It also allows developers to offer lower rents and better lease terms.
Golub has owned the west downtown parcel for six years and considered office development in 2008, but delayed those plans when the recession and real estate slide hit.
The city of Phoenix will start considering Golub’s plans and request for incentives this summer.
Golub hired Cassidy Turley BRE Commercial brokers Scott Baumgarten, Tyler Wilson and Mark Stratz to market and prelease the building. They are opening a marketing center in the 44 Monroe condo tower, which overlooks the planned development.
“We’re in the process of preleasing right now,” said Baumgarten. “We have quite a few prospects.”
He said Cassidy Turley will target office tenants with leases expiring from 2014 through 2016 and entice local professional businesses with new Class A space. The brokers also intend to recruit companies from California and other states considering moves to Arizona.
CityScape was successful in bringing a number of Valley law firms and other tenants from existing Phoenix locations when it opened in 2010.
Ferguson said Golub needs to get its downtown project at least 50 percent preleased before it can get the financing necessary to move forward with development.
Golub and the Cassidy Turley brokers said the new building’s floor plans will be more open than other downtown buildings. That will allow tenants to lease as much as 10 percent less square footage, offering bottom-line benefits.
Ferguson said floor plans also will allow for more executive and management offices than some current downtown offerings.
Still, the project, like any other in this economy, has to secure financing and overcome continued business frugality.
Jay Thorne, a real estate and business consultant who previously did work for Barron Collier and RED Development’s CityScape project, said Golub and the Collier-Ryan project will be duking it out in the downtown marketplace.
“It would seem that there is only room for one downtown office tower, so it would seem this site is in direct competition with Collier’s Block 23,” said Thorne.
Collier officials have variously considered developing residential, retail and a hotel on Block 23, the area between Collier Center and CityScape; but they have decided to go with offices.
Collier officials did not respond to a request for comment.
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200 W Monroe Renderings and website

Just ran across this website advertising the new Golub Office building planned for 2nd Ave and Monroe. Great looking building. Wish it were taller, but a great addition to the western skyline of DtPhx. Check out the outdoor track on the upper level.

http://www.200wmonroe.com/

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Old Posted Jun 25, 2012, 9:18 PM
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god damnit fuck you city of phoenix and your lousy fucking zoning.

STOP ALLOWING ONE BUILDING TO TAKE A WHOLE FUCKING BLOCK!

why do you think we have all the shitty dead spaces we have? because of the obnoxious corporate plazas and huge setbacks the city allows, god damnit this FUCKING INFURIATES ME.
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Old Posted Jun 25, 2012, 9:30 PM
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What....the....fuck? Thats a God damned mess. Why is the main portion of the building fronting Monroe, not VB, VB is the more prominent street.

That huge set back with grass and a parking podium, not screened, not lined with retail....Jesus thats just depressing looking. The good news is I don't think there's anyway something like that will pass muster under the Urban Form Code, so hopefully this is all just really early stuff.

We really need to force developers to create street facing retail, ESPECIALLY along Van Buren. When the fuck are we going to learn about mono use towers? Where's the retail? Housing? Hotel? Something besides Class A office space and a huge parking podium.

E: I guess there would be theoretically enough room on that green space along VB for a future tower thats really slender, but knowing how things work in PHX, that'll never happen. Plus even if it did, the big parking podium wouldn't allow room for much retail, it would likely just be another tower and lobby.
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