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Old Posted Jun 4, 2018, 4:20 PM
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I'm not a lawyer, but that to me seems very vague and open to interpretation. For example, making the extension look modern could be considered "adding elements from other historic places or other properties" (the original building had no glass walls so the extension isn't allowed to have them).
Well this is only a document that recommends best practices and provides standards and guidelines. It has been endorsed by all the leading built heritage groups in the country and is even referenced by groups outside of Canada. Rather than looking for ironclad rules in the document, it is best to look at the overall intent of the guidelines.

Until something better comes along this is the most thorough set of national guidelines and standards Canada has for built heritage conservation and restoration.
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Old Posted Jun 4, 2018, 4:29 PM
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I was downtown the other day and noticed that the design of 700 Sussex Drive would actually be a good starting point for the design of the extension. It blends well with Chateau and has some highlights of its own to make it less boxy (though more certainly could be done). The glass walls are kept down at ground level to make them less obtrusive but still adds to the variety. Add a few bay windows to add some interest and we would have a winner IMHO.

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They managed to build Cathedral Place across the street from the Hotel Vancouver in the 1990s and even got a Lieutenant Governor's award. While the stye doesn't have to be Post-Modern, I can't see why something equally creative in a contemporary sense isn't possible.

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The architecture style of the Chateau Laurier itself does not represent the time in which it was built, why should any further additions diverge from this?

Plus, Chateau Fontenac did additions in the 90s I think and their goal was to make the addition seemless, not stand out. That is a far better approach.
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The addition looks like a university building from the 60s! Disgusting! wtf is so complicated about this???!!! Do the third addition the same as the past two additions. Done!
It looks like a university building from present day, with the stupid vertical fins that every university-building architect has insisted on since about 2006.
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925 West Georgia is nice! Build the addition in that style and we're good
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Old Posted Jun 4, 2018, 6:55 PM
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925 West Georgia is nice! Build the addition in that style and we're good
I agree. I suspect the difference for some is that it is a different building that happens to be near a heritage building and not an extension to the heritage building.
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Moderators, is it possible to add a pole? Something along the lines of;

Which version of the addition do you prefer;

- Version 1 and 2
- Version 3
- Version 4
- None of the above, please replicate history
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I agree, 700 Sussex or the Vancouver are good examples of where to start... more light beige/brick or whatever that matches the rest of the castle and some interesting windows/roof angles to make it all blend in. The square mid-rise glass box right now does not blend in whatsoever and blocks most of the views!

I was at Major Hill's park this weekend enjoying the nice weather and... the views, the views from that park with the Chateau Laurier and the Peace Tower all around you make it a wonderful spot, I can't imagine starring at that glass addition.

Yes, they are demolishing the parking garage but the parking garage was only 3 or so floors, mostly blocked by trees. Whereas this addition would be much higher, they would prob knock down the trees in front AND it blocks the interesting roof of the existing hotel.
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Moderators, is it possible to add a pole? Something along the lines of;

Which version of the addition do you prefer;

- Version 1 and 2
- Version 3
- Version 4
- None of the above, please replicate history
I would add another option:

- None of the above, please make it blend in, not clash
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Moderators, is it possible to add a pole? Something along the lines of;

Which version of the addition do you prefer;

- Version 1 and 2
- Version 3
- Version 4
- None of the above, please replicate history
I don't think a pole would make the renders look any better ...
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I think they're going at this the wrong way. The main (aesthetic) objective of this addition should be to ensure the preservation or enhancement of the iconic chateau views from Major's Hill/the river. If they can accomplish that, they'll have accomplished a good design by default.
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Heritage Ottawa pans latest attempt at Château Laurier addition: 'The most disgraceful act of heritage vandalism of our generation'

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Updated: June 4, 2018


Heritage Ottawa has come out swinging against the latest plans for an addition to the venerated Château Laurier, calling the proposal “the most disgraceful act of heritage vandalism of our generation.”

“The revised design fails to resolve — or even address — the underlying flaw that impaired all of the previous attempts. The angular, blocky massing and style of the proposed addition remains intrinsically incompatible with the romantic sensibility of the historic Château,” the organization said in a statement released Sunday.

The strong reaction came days after the historic hotel’s owner filed a new design for the proposed addition, which attempts to make the contemporary wing complement, not overwhelm, the original building.

A heritage brief submitted with the package from Larco Investments says “limestone fins” on the north-facing side, fronting Major’s Hill Park, will break up the height of the building, which is now proposed to be seven storeys instead of eight.

Larco asked its designers at architectsAlliance to go back to the drawing board after the last vision for the addition, released in February, received a strong rebuke from Heritage Ottawa, which said the design had “all the charm of a box store.”

The main problem with each of the proposed revisions, according to Heritage Ottawa, is one of incompatibility: The Château has an architectural sensibility that conveys a sense of romance, mystery, excitement, unpredictability and splendour, while the modernist addition conveys none of those qualities.

“Although the design has evolved several times, each evolution has found a different way to repeat the same mistake. No amount of refinement of exterior design details can overcome this fundamental incompatibility,” the Heritage Ottawa statement said.

The group argued the addition must also consider the hotel’s unique location immediately across the Rideau Canal from Parliament Hill as it would be visible from these and other sites of national importance, such as the Ottawa River and Major’s Hill Park.

“If an addition to the Château is to be built, nothing less than excellence is good enough,” Heritage Ottawa said, characterizing the proposal as the single most important heritage application considered during this term of council.

There is a concern among some that, after three attempts, city officials with the power to make the ultimate decision could shrug and conclude the current proposal is good enough.

Fearing the city may have “painted itself into a corner,” Peter Coffman, an architectural historian at Carleton University, says it’s unfortunate the city didn’t say from the start that the fundamentals were all wrong. “The project has gone so far down the wrong road and we’re all going to pay for that,” he said.

Unless the architects address that original mistake, Coffman said the addition was just “not going to work.”

He described the current iteration as taking a “Toronto condo and bolting it on the back” of the Château and dismissed the addition of the “limestone fins.”

“The problem is much more fundamental,” Coffman said.

The built-heritage subcommittee will discuss the latest proposal at its June 18 meeting.

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At this point they should look at a different architect. ArchitectAlliance seems to specialize in modern architecture. Why not hire Barry Padolsky? He's local and he specializes in heritage.
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Old Posted Jun 5, 2018, 1:36 PM
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“The revised design fails to resolve — or even address — the underlying flaw that impaired all of the previous attempts. The angular, blocky massing and style of the proposed addition remains intrinsically incompatible with the romantic sensibility of the historic Château,” the organization said in a statement released Sunday.
This!!!

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The main problem with each of the proposed revisions, according to Heritage Ottawa, is one of incompatibility: The Château has an architectural sensibility that conveys a sense of romance, mystery, excitement, unpredictability and splendour, while the modernist addition conveys none of those qualities.
And this!

The Château is an iconic land mark of the city and we need the extension to blend in with, not distract from the original building.
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At this point they should look at a different architect. ArchitectAlliance seems to specialize in modern architecture. Why not hire Barry Padolsky? He's local and he specializes in heritage.
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At this point they should look at a different architect. ArchitectAlliance seems to specialize in modern architecture. Why not hire Barry Padolsky? He's local and he specializes in heritage.
Have been saying the same thing for a while know, Peter Clewes is a good architect and designer but his style does not work with the CL.
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Have been saying the same thing for a while know, Peter Clewes is a good architect and designer but his style does not work with the CL.
I see no evidence of this in the recent 4 designs, nor on the designs from his portfolio; please clarify what you mean.

I think a good choice would've been for them to go with Arcop. Tehy did the 1993 addition to the Chateau Frontenac and they did a marvelous job.
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Specifically the Neo-Château style was meant as a symbol of the acceptance of French Canadians, as the Grand Railway Hotels were inspired by the castles of the Loire valley in France. .
I have very serious doubts about this specific aspect of the whole thing.

Certainly the creators and financiers of these hotels did have an appreciation for the architecture of France, but they sure didn't associate that prestige factor with the people living just across the river or even just a few blocks away in Lower Town.

Trust me on that.
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I have very serious doubts about this specific aspect of the whole thing.

Certainly the creators and financiers of these hotels did have an appreciation for the architecture of France, but they sure didn't associate that prestige factor with the people living just across the river or even just a few blocks away in Lower Town.

Trust me on that.
Indeed, the idea seems odd. Wasn't it just another style import from the USA?
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