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Bigtime · #21 Posted **Dec 4, 2007, 11:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by Kevin_foster

Really?

Can the population of Calgary really support a One Billion Dollar Venue with any type of sustainability?

Good luck!

I'm sure we can, it would be like asking if Edmonton would be able to support WEM. The fact is that most of us don't want it, at least judging by the reaction on here.

Aylmer · #22 Posted **Dec 4, 2007, 11:12 PM**

pics...

Boris2k7 · #23 Posted **Dec 4, 2007, 11:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by NumberFive

Call me a bad person, but I don't see the big deal. I don't look to my city for wildlife... if I wanted that, I'd live in the country.

The wildlife was here before we were here and they still are. Do we have some kind of entitlement to a sterile environment?

I personally am in a suburb right next to a natural park just crawling with wildlife. We DID build in the country and then people get pissy about seeing coyotes and the occasional bear/cougar. Fucking morons.

On a side note, my room overlooks Fish Creek, and there is a pathway behind that gets used by wildlife and people alike. Right now there is some guy taking a picture of the valley and the mountains (I see these guys just about every other day in the same spot). Wait a few minutes and I might see someone with their dog, or perhaps a family of deer (whom chewed up the backyard last week) or a lone coyote looking for scraps. All using the same snowed-over pathway.

Bigtime · #24 Posted **Dec 4, 2007, 11:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by AylmerOptimist

pics...

Here ya go:
http://www.dolemocorp.com/edworthy.htm

240glt · #25 Posted **Dec 4, 2007, 11:37 PM**

^ I like how it's part of someone's HO scale model train set

murman · #26 Posted **Dec 5, 2007, 12:15 AM**

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Originally Posted by Bigtime

I'm sure we can, it would be like asking if Edmonton would be able to support WEM. The fact is that most of us don't want it, at least judging by the reaction on here.

WOW. That has to be one of the most completely naive misunderstandings of the differences in markets and asset classes I've seen in some time.

Where do I even start? Do you even know what this project is proposed to be? Just to start, it's not even proposed to be a fricken' mall. What part of private club don't you understand?

Innersoul1 · #27 Posted **Dec 5, 2007, 12:28 AM**

The biggest issue beyond scale is certainly going to be access. Have fun with an interchange on Sarcee.

fusili · #28 Posted **Dec 5, 2007, 1:09 AM**

I pray that this project never goes through. Ever. Too many reasons to count.

Bigtime · #29 Posted **Dec 5, 2007, 1:55 AM**

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Originally Posted by murman

WOW. That has to be one of the most completely naive misunderstandings of the differences in markets and asset classes I've seen in some time.

Where do I even start? Do you even know what this project is proposed to be? Just to start, it's not even proposed to be a fricken' mall. What part of private club don't you understand?

Oh I understand it all thank you very much. All I am saying is that it is pretty naive to think that in Calgary a club like this wouldn't find its 10,000 members. Wouldn't it have been more of a stretch all those years ago to say WEM could make a go of it financially? That's all I was trying to say, I do know the difference between a mall and a private club

Do you know how long the waiting list is for the Glencoe club or the Winter club? A very very long time, especially in the case of the Glencoe.

We are still a very different city from Edmonton, a lot of people with money here like to make it known that they have it. That gets expressed in houses, cars, clothes and memberships to fancy ass clubs that they barely frequent yet pay crazy ass membership fees for.

So do I think this project would actually get its members? Yes. But I don't want to see it built.

SpongeG · #30 Posted **Dec 5, 2007, 5:42 AM**

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Originally Posted by Rob D

I saw a skunk walking down the sidewalk in the Westend a week ago. Kind of startled me, but I have been told that it isn't too uncommon to see them here.

wait till your drunk stumbling home and you only realizer at the last minute

craneSpotter · #31 Posted **Dec 5, 2007, 6:06 AM**

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Originally Posted by Kevin_foster

Really?

Can the population of Calgary really support a One Billion Dollar Venue with any type of sustainability?

Good luck!

I think it's possible if you consider the much smaller city of Victoria is supporting a 4 Billion dollar golf&spa resort complete with restaurants and vineyards (< click to see how we roll upscale

)- so far >70% of the properties/memberships have been purchased locally.

However, the Victoria project (the largest non-industrial construction project in western Canada btw) has more of a housing component than this so-called private health/wellness club with movie theaters, curling rinks (nothin' says upscale better than curlin'), cement swimming holes and hockey rinks. The spin the spin! Oh it's Dubai scale

The question is, do wealthy Calgarians want to leave Calgary for R&R? I would think for the most part yes especially during the 6 months of winter. As far a s conventions go, most want to be central. I'm not sure this developer knows what he's doing, of course he did the research and think it will fly.

ScottFromCalgary · #32 Posted **Dec 5, 2007, 6:34 AM**

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Originally Posted by craneSpotter

The question is, do wealthy Calgarians want to leave Calgary for R&R? I would think for the most part yes especially during the 6 months of winter. As far a s conventions go, most want to be central. I'm not sure this developer knows what he's doing, of course he did the research and think it will fly.

I'm not sure how you define Calgary city limits, but this site is well within Calgary. Not totally central, but not that far off actually.

MalcolmTucker · #33 Posted **Dec 5, 2007, 6:59 AM**

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Originally Posted by ScottFromCalgary

I'm not sure how you define Calgary city limits, but this site is well within Calgary. Not totally central, but not that far off actually.

Yeah - the site is as central as the winter club comparatively.

Me&You · #34 Posted **Dec 5, 2007, 2:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by kyle_olsen

Yeah - the site is as central as the winter club comparatively.

If you look at the map, it's roughly in between DT and the Winterclub.

Bigtime · #35 Posted **Dec 5, 2007, 2:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by Me&You

If you look at the map, it's roughly in between DT and the Winterclub.

Actually the Winter Club is north of the DT core, just off of John Laurie on 14th Street:

Innersoul1 · #36 Posted **Dec 5, 2007, 3:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by craneSpotter

I think it's possible if you consider the much smaller city of Victoria is supporting a 4 Billion dollar golf&spa resort complete with restaurants and vineyards (< click to see how we roll upscale

)- so far >70% of the properties/memberships have been purchased locally.

However, the Victoria project (the largest non-industrial construction project in western Canada btw) has more of a housing component than this so-called private health/wellness club with movie theaters, curling rinks (nothin' says upscale better than curlin'), cement swimming holes and hockey rinks. The spin the spin! Oh it's Dubai scale

The question is, do wealthy Calgarians want to leave Calgary for R&R? I would think for the most part yes especially during the 6 months of winter. As far a s conventions go, most want to be central. I'm not sure this developer knows what he's doing, of course he did the research and think it will fly.

Great point, but keep in mind that Victoria draws many of its purchasers from the Pacific Northwest and beyond. Its the reason why so many Victoria projects spend mega bucks advertising in cities such as Calgary, Edmonton, Vancouver, Portland and Seattle. Victoria's population could not support the majority of its projects.

bigcanuck · #37 Posted **Dec 5, 2007, 8:01 PM**

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Originally Posted by craneSpotter

The question is, do wealthy Calgarians want to leave Calgary for R&R? I would think for the most part yes especially during the 6 months of winter. As far a s conventions go, most want to be central. I'm not sure this developer knows what he's doing, of course he did the research and think it will fly.

I think we're misinterpreting his comments - I believe he's asking "Do Calgarians really want to spend their money on an expensive Calgary fitness club or would they rather spend their money travelling outside of Calgary?".

Kevin_foster · #38 Posted **Dec 5, 2007, 8:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by Bigtime

I'm sure we can, it would be like asking if Edmonton would be able to support WEM. The fact is that most of us don't want it, at least judging by the reaction on here.

Last time I checked you didn't have to earn $100,000+ a year salary to afford to go to WEM

Sure they may have a sweet expensive car wash... but...

I suppose alot of this would also be based on how much foreign/outside demand there would be. If it were like a Victoria golf and CC (as per example above); it would have no problem attracting people out of city/province/country.

Edmonchuck · #39 Posted **Dec 5, 2007, 8:55 PM**

Please don't compare to WEM...the money comes from the retail component. The rest is one mindbender of a loss leader.

Aylmer · #40 Posted **Dec 6, 2007, 12:41 AM**

Remins me of the Casino Lac Leamy!