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Old Posted Jul 9, 2018, 7:44 PM
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But Kanata Centrum is not walking distance. You have to drive. A suburban location for the East Coast CFL team is far from ideal, but at the very you might have some people coming early to eat dinner or leave a little later. It won't be the disaster that is the CTC where EVERYONE arrives and leaves at the same time.
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I get that there's not much space "downtown Halifax" for a stadium but it sounds like the two options right now are;
-Suburban office park surrounded by parking
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-Suburban office park surrounded by parking

Sure you can build as many bars and hotels around the stadium in the outskirts as you want but if everybody has to (or realistically will) drive, most people will drive in/out of there as quickly as they can to beat the rush. The same happened in Ottawa with the Canadian Tire Centre out in Kanata. Yes there is "Kanata Centrum" nearby and many people will have dinner or a drink BEFORE the game but most people drive to/from the arena as fast as they can. Not a very enticing place to linger...
I agree with this. They are talking about transit and mixed use but the choice of a suburban big box location is not really compatible with anything other than a stadium that most people drive in and out of. And traffic in some of these places is already a disaster even though they were supposedly optimized for cars. The bottom line is that these areas are awful.

Mixed use will mean a Moxie's next to the stadium and transit will be unreliable buses.

I have a bad feeling that this will end up being paid for largely by the city but won't be as good for the city as a publicly led project in a municipally-owned location would have been. Even the Mainland Common would probably be better than Bayers Lake.

Note that Halifax also has a retro 90's style taxi monopoly and no ride sharing so getting out to the suburbs is going to be annoying for most people staying downtown with no car.
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I could see them build 24K in Halifax, but maybe put in a little extra to build something more impressive compared to the more basic TD and THF. This is going to be the east coasts only major league sports franchise and they need to attract fans from all over, so a bare-bones stadium won't cut it.
There would be no problem with a bare bones stadium if we are calling THF a bare bones stadium. There has never been a comparable example in the Maritimes for a structure like this (Moncton excluded). I am hoping they will build something 200 million plus. Let's think of IGF with 10k less seats and minus the crazy roof (IGF came in around 200 million)
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Let's remember that the prospective owners have been in close consultation with Ottawa's John Ruddy and Rider's Wayne Morsky, I am sure they will have been informed of the good, bad and the ugly. I'm sure over that long, long process, Ruddy had lots of ugly.
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I'm not an expert on the lay of the land in Halifax, but looking at Google Earth, it seems like a Horton-class stadium footprint could be shoehorned into the Wanderer Grounds, just south of the Citadel, with a minor re-routing of Bell Road. Is there some logistical reason why this wouldn't work?
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I'm not an expert on the lay of the land in Halifax, but looking at Google Earth, it seems like a Horton-class stadium footprint could be shoehorned into the Wanderer Grounds, just south of the Citadel, with a minor re-routing of Bell Road. Is there some logistical reason why this wouldn't work?
I think it could physically be built there for a reasonable price. Politically it is challenging because this is viewed as a private project and that is public land.

It's rather unfortunate that the city has fumbled this project for so long. There have been three or four stadium proposals over the years that were publicly led but they all fizzled for one reason or another.

There's a nice stadium site in Shannon Park but the stadium project took so long that Canada Lands moved forward without incorporating it into the development plans. You have to be impressively slow to fall behind a Canada Lands plan. I think they started with that site around 15 years ago.
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There have been three or four stadium proposals over the years that were publicly led but they all fizzled for one reason or another.
That could happen here too, unfortunately.
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Old Posted Jul 9, 2018, 11:24 PM
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That could happen here too, unfortunately.
On the one hand it is certainly possible. On the other hand I don't feel like the project is far-fetched.

Those past failed stadium projects in recent years were all based around bidding on sporting events and getting funding from two or three levels of government.
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THF construction costs were supposed to be 120 million with a 25 million dollar contingency fund (total 145 million)

It may be too optimistic but LeBlanc did say he'd like to see shovels in the ground or a very substantial agreement this year (2018)
we'll see. Funding arrangements for these stadiums seem to take several years. See Winnipeg, Regina and Hamilton and Ottawa. I will be surprised if all the details for stadium funding will have been ironed out in less than 2-3 years, assuming it happens at all.
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we'll see. Funding arrangements for these stadiums seem to take several years. See Winnipeg, Regina and Hamilton and Ottawa. I will be surprised if all the details for stadium funding will have been ironed out in less than 2-3 years, assuming it happens at all.
You don't have to convince me. I'm the one who's been saying the average time from the original concept idea (with a drawing) to final completion is eight years. Regina did it a little quicker.

This article was from December 23/2004, and if people wonder why I post the whole article, that link is now dead.

New Winnipeg stadium in 2013
Daring to dream
Bold first step on stadium project taken
FRANK LANDRY, LEGISLATURE REPORTER

http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/Winni...793057-sun.html

In a matter of years, Winnipeg may have a new 30,000-seat stadium on the western edge of the city. An ambitious plan was unveiled yesterday to look at the feasibility of constructing a $165-million "destination complex" at the 450-acre Red River Exhibition Park on Portage Avenue west of the Perimeter Highway.



The complex would include a partially-covered stadium, 200,000 square-foot exhibition facility, 250-room hotel and a 40,000 square-foot water park. The water park would be accessible to the public, not just hotel guests.

EXPANDABLE TO 50,000

The stadium -- expected to cost more than $90 million -- would be home to the Winnipeg Blue Bombers, who have played at the Maroons Road stadium since 1952. It would be expandable to 50,000 seats for events such as the Grey Cup.

"Fans of this city and province deserve the best," said Paul Robson, CEO of the Red River Exhibition Association, one of three partner's in the project -- which also includes Canad Inns Corp. and the Winnipeg Football Club.

An artist's rendering of the proposed complex depicts a rounded stadium with an ultra-modern hotel at one of the end zones. Two grandstands on either side of the field are covered by a partial roof.

Hotel guests could watch games from the comfort of their rooms.

Leo Ledohowski, CEO of Canad Inns, said the idea is to create a complex that would attract tourists from Ontario, Saskatchewan and the U.S.

"It's a concept whose time has come," Ledohowski said.

If the project goes ahead, Ledohowski said it could be another two years before a shovel is in the ground. Construction would be expected to take another two years after that.

The group does not have funding in place yet for the stadium and exhibition portions of the complex, but Robson said there are "creative people at the head table" who will find it. The hotel and water park would be funded, owned and operated by Canad Inns.

"We are not entering into this stage of our planning with unrealizable expectations," said Gene Dunn, chairman of the football club. "All major undertakings begin with a vision."

Federal Treasury Board president Reg Alcock said Ottawa would be willing to pony up some cash for the stadium as it did for the MTS Centre. The three levels of government contributed more than $40 million to the $133.5-million downtown project.

"What we've learned is governments shouldn't lead on these projects," Alcock said. "But when it's building for the public good, I think you'll find us contributing."

Manitoba Industry Minister Jim Rondeau said the province may also be willing to help, depending on the outcome feasibility study. However, Winnipeg Mayor Sam Katz said it's too early for such talk.

"We're not even going there right now," said Katz, noting the city is still in the process of handing over the operation of Canad Inn Stadium to the Winnipeg Football Club.

"We think it would be premature right now to discuss anything when we haven't even finalized the agreement for the current facility," Katz said.

The feasibility study -- estimated to cost $250,000 -- is expected to be completed by spring or summer. Ottawa is picking up half the tab, with the remaining money coming from the three private-sector partners.

The complex would be located within city limits.
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Will be exciting to see some renders.
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Will be exciting to see some renders.
Not sure if you are aware or not but this was shown during the CTV Atlantic interview. Strange though, because this stadium by Gensler is suspiciously similar to the proposed San Diego MLS/San Diego State University Stadium

But similar to the 200 million dollar figure, maybe it is just a placeholder to give people an idea of what to expect. And contrary to my faulty memory Bowser quotes a stadium price from 50 to 250 million so that is fairly useless. I'm pretty sure? he said 200 million during the Ambrosie Tour.

Stadium render was shown during interview (1:45)

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That render doesnt look expandable for a grey cup. Plus too many endzone seats for a 20 yard cfl endzone. Probably just a placeholder.
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City council set to discuss possible Halifax CFL team at next meeting, say councillors
Alexander Quon Online Producer/Reporter Global News July 10, 2018

Mayor Mike Savage said the public could expect a motion allowing a public debate on a possible stadium.

Two Halifax regional councillors say the next meeting of Halifax’s governing body will include a discussion on a possible CFL franchise in Halifax.

According to Tim Outhit, councillor for Bedford-Wentworth, council will be asked on July 17 to give direction to the municipality’s chief administrative officer (CAO) to officially enter into preliminary negotiations with the company hoping to bring a football team to Canada’s East Coast — Maritime Football Ltd.

Outhit broke the news in a Facebook post on Tuesday that sought to gauge his constituents’ support for the project.

Richard Zurawski, councillor for Clayton Park, made a similar post soon after.

Both councillors stressed that there are no details on what Maritime Football Ltd. may wish to see in way of support from the municipality.

However, Outhit did speculate in his post that it will likely involve financial support for the construction of a new stadium with at least 25,000 seats.

“A stadium of this size will cost at least [$200 million],” Outhit wrote in his post.

“It will not be located on the peninsula or in Bedford.”

Outhit also speculated that a request would involve the HRM allowing commercial and residential development around the stadium site.

He said he’s guessing that Maritime Football Ltd. would have a request that they not pay property tax — either on the stadium or the surrounding developments — for an extended period of time.

“[The stadium] will not be located on the peninsula or in Bedford,” Outhit speculated.

The planned motion seems to be the resolution of a closed-door meeting held between the municipality and Maritime Football Ltd., at the latest council meeting, which was held in June.

Details about the nature of the conversation were scarce at the time, although Mayor Mike Savage did say the public could expect a motion allowing a public debate on a possible stadium.

Savage said that the two sides did not have any firm numbers, but said that Maritime Football Ltd., had “advanced” their case in such a way that had firmed up the business model.

“I think we’re at the point now where this has to come out and be public as much as possible,” said Savage.

“People want to see it in public and have a discussion about it.”

It looks like that’s now in the cards.

More details about the proposal — along with the full slate of topics heading to regional council — will be released on Friday.
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Interview on TSN 690 about the potential return of the Expos and survey by Project Expo to gather feedback on a potential Downtown Montréal Ball Park.

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Ian Fowler Oval (an outdoor refrigerated skating rink in the winter, and an audience space in the summer), and the performance stage in front of the skating oval on the plaza next to the new 8,800 seat downtown events centre in Moncton.



Close up of the trellises around the skating oval. You can see that they have already planted the vines which will grow to form a canopy enclosing the oval and the audience space in front of the stage.



The final product will end up looking something like this (the vine covered archway in front of Moncton City Hall).

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I am really impressed with what's going on with that Moncton project. So much more than a simple arena. There's more happening on the outside of the stadium than for some pro stadiums.
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Ian Fowler Oval (an outdoor refrigerated skating rink in the winter, and an audience space in the summer), and the performance stage in front of the skating oval on the plaza next to the new 8,800 seat downtown events centre in Moncton.
A well deserved tribute to somebody who had a positive impact on the city and died too soon.
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I am really impressed with what's going on with that Moncton project. So much more than a simple arena. There's more happening on the outside of the stadium than for some pro stadiums.
Indeed.

The whole idea for the events centre in Moncton was as a downtown renewal project following the closure of the downtown shopping mall (Highfield Square).

A new arena was needed in any event, and the decision was made to relocate into the core to stimulate development in the west end of the downtown. The concept is similar to a mini ice district like in Edmonton (not to overstate things of course, but in relative terms the events centre is having an impact of it's own). This downtown renewal project is the reason for the extra bells and whistles like the plaza in front of the events centre.

Here's a good drone photo taken by one of the other Moncton forumers (Budyser), showing the entire plaza and parts of the surrounding neighbourhood.



- The tower crane across the street is for a new Hyatt Place Hotel, which will also contain a new high end restaurant (rumoured to be a Baton Rouge).
- The tall building in the centre background is a Crowne Plaza Hotel. It looks a little dowdy on the outside, but is undergoing a multimillion dollar renovation on the inside. The entire city block that it sits on has been consolidated by the Aquillini Group out of Vancouver (owners of the Rogers Centre and the Vancouver Canucks). There are persistent rumours that a major development may be in the works for this block.
- One of the two federal buildings across the street from the events centre (and on the other side of Highfield Street from the Crowne Plaza Hotel) has been renovated, and the second is currently undergoing renovations (including new cladding). This project is turning out very well.
- There are very strong rumours that another new hotel is slated for the land immediately to the north of the federal building complex, a little further up Highfield Street. The rumour is of a Hilton branded hotel, possibly a Double Tree Hotel and perhaps 12 stories tall or so, with an attached parking structure.
- In addition to all of the above, the Terminal Plaza Office Complex on the other side of the events centre has two towers, one of which has been completely renovated, and the second tower is awaiting renovation. Finally, the Junction Urban Village just a little further down Main Street is under development. A GoodLife fitness gym has already been built, two six storey apartment buildings are planned (with construction of one imminent) and yet another Hilton branded hotel has been announced (a Home 2 Suites).

The west end of the downtown core is being transformed. Much of this would not have occurred without the events centre.........
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