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Canada is actually ranked #2 in the world for boys teams; our girls team is ranked #4 in the world. If we can maintain this level of talent (or get even better) it should translate into a #2 globally in the world for the senior men's team. It should translate into a continued rise for our women's squad too.

Apparently the American U18 team had a picture of the Canadian team winning gold at the U19 World Cup as motivation. It speaks volumes about how far Canadian basketball has come that we're no longer chasing the USA but being chased by them. The notion of beating the USA wasn't viewed as possible before. These days our boys teams play for gold and know they're good enough to do it.



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Bodes well for the future of Canadian basketball and our ability to one day challenge for Olympic gold. It would be a monumental task since the Americans seem to have developed a pretty firm "never again" mentality after the embarrassment in 2004. Although, youth development has progressed so much in the last 10 years alone that it wouldn't be out of the question for us to start pushing for the finals within the next generation.
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Old Posted Jun 15, 2018, 2:12 PM
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Agree. Many years ago Canada Basketball circled Tokyo 2020 as the first true gauge of how far the program has come. The first batch of kids who have come up through the system will be a few years into their NBA careers. That Canada won gold at the U19 World Cup last year is a good omen. The class of 2019 promises to be the strongest yet so the program is still in an upward trajectory.

We seem to be on track to not only qualify for Tokyo 2020 but challenge for a podium position. The Canadian men's team will still be improving 2 years from now so making the Final might be a lot to ask. Who knows though.

Age of Canadian talent around Tokyo 2020

RJ Barrett: 20
Jamal Murray: 23
Dillon Brooks: 24
Trey Lyles: 24
Andrew Wiggins: 25
Nik Stauskas: 26
Xavier Rathan-Mayes: 26
Tyler Ennis: 26
Chris Boucher: 27
Khem Birch: 27
Tristan Thompson: 29
Dwight Powell: 29
Cory Joseph: 29
Kelly Olynyk: 29
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Unfortunately Wiggins was meant to be a big part of that future success, being possibly the most hyped high school prospect since Lebron. He has fallen quite short of those expectations, and I'm not sure if I see a guy who is still that raw four years into his career ever turning into a national team-carrying superstar.

That being said, I'm pretty pumped about Barrett. He seems to rely less on raw athleticism than Wiggins did at the same age. If you watch some of Wiggins mix tapes from high school, it was mostly him dominating much smaller, less athletic players at the rim. Obviously that doesn't translate as well when you are now going up against the Rudy Goberts of the world. Barrett's jump shot and passing look pretty refined already. Hopefully he does great things at Duke.
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Old Posted Jun 15, 2018, 2:49 PM
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Agree, Barrett looks more promising than Wiggins. We'll eventually need a NBA All Star, preferably 3 of them, if we're to rise to the very top.
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The women deserve some props too. They senior women's team is ranked #5 in the world and has been drawn into Group A for the 2018 FIBA Women's World Cup in Spain. It runs September 22-30th. Beating France in group play should be their goal. They're very capable of doing so and grabbing top spot in their group.


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Canada was smacked in the final by the US. Nothing to see here.
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Teenage star R.J. Barrett added to roster for Canadian senior camp
The Canadian Press June 18, 2018

Teenager R.J. Barrett has been added to Canada’s men’s basketball roster for this week’s training camp and exhibition series ahead of FIBA World Cup qualifying.

Barrett, who just turned 18, led Canada to a historic gold medal at last summer’s U19 world championships in Cairo. Teammate Andrew Nembhard, who helped Canada to silver at the FIBA Americas U18 championships last weekend, has also been added to the roster.

The camp in Vancouver features six NBA players in Khem Birch (Orlando), Chris Boucher (Golden State), Dillon Brooks (Memphis), Cory Joseph (Indiana), Kelly Olynyk (Miami), Dwight Powell (Dallas).

The Canadians will host China in a pair of exhibition games on Friday in Vancouver and Sunday in Victoria.

Canada resumes its World Cup qualifying on June 29 with a first-place showdown against the Dominican Republic. They conclude the first round of qualifying when they host the U.S. Virgin Islands on July 2 in Ottawa.

The Canadians have already qualified for the second round, but they carry their first-round record over to the next round.

The World Cup is in September of 2019 in China.
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U.S. blows out Canada to win FIBA Americas U18 title
Americans earn 5th straight gold at tournament in St. Catharines, Ont.
Lori Ewing The Canadian Press June 17 2018

Before Saturday's tipoff of the gold-medal game, the U.S. basketball team watched highlights of Canada's historic victory over the Americans at last summer's under-19 world championships.

Then the Americans exacted some revenge — a 113-74 thumping of Canada to claim their fifth consecutive FIBA Americas U18 title.

"Probably hungry, lots of revenge, and just trying to kill us in every aspect of the game. And they came out and pretty much did that," summed up Andrew Nembhard.

A.J. Lawson had 18 points and 12 rebounds, while Nembhard had 12 points and eight assists, but seven turnovers. Tyrese Samuel chipped in with 13 points and 11 rebounds, while Emanuel Miller and Addison Patterson had 11 points apiece.

But the Canadians were barely in the game after the first quarter. Trailing 29-20 after one, it was all but over when the Canadians headed into the halftime dressing room in a 61-33 hole.

"I feel like as a group we were just nervous," said Nembhard, who will play for Florida next year. "I feel like next year [U19 World Cup], we'll have those jitters out and be more successful against them."

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They trailed by as many as 33 points in the third quarter, and went into the fourth down 84-52 in front of a crowd of 4,240 fans at the Meridian Centre, which is normally home to the OHL's Niagara IceDogs.

Cole Anthony topped the U.S. with 18 points.

The Canadians had already earned their spot in next summer's FIBA U19 World Cup by finishing in the top four in the tournament.

"We had a good week, we did some good things," said coach Dave Smart, who's also Carleton's head coach. "It's the first time for a lot of these guys, and sometimes when it's the first time, sometimes when things go much differently than you're used to, it's hard to get back on track and understand how to get back on track."

Canada captured an historic gold at last summer's World Cup in Cairo, shocking the Americans in the semifinals, and earning Canada's first-ever world title in the sport.

Smart believes Saturday's ugly loss will help his young team next summer.

"It stinks when it's happening, but it's how you respond to it," he said.

R.J. Barrett courtside

R.J. Barrett, who earned tournament MVP honours in leading the Canadians in Egypt, sat courtside at Saturday's game. Barrett, who's heading to Duke in the fall, wasn't available to play for Canada as he spent a few weeks training in Los Angeles.

The Americans, coached by Kansas coach Bill Self, had been the class of the field in St. Catharines, outscoring their opponents by a combined 338-170 in the preliminary round, including a 118-26 rout of Panama that began with an ugly 45-0 run.

Jay Triano, head coach of Canada's senior men's team, watched the week's action and St. Catharines, and said the one Canadian weakness is shooting.

"I like where are," Triano said. "We still need to get better at shooting the ball, we don't shoot the ball real well, the other teams have shot better from three all week. We're not as big a threat on the perimeter.

"Guys get better as they get older but some of these other countries are better than us shooting, but they're not ahead of us in athleticism and the way we play, the pace that we play."

The Canadians shot just 32 per cent from the field.

"We have so many good players in our country now, you go into a gym and there's always good players. But it takes a lot of individual time to be a great shooter. Even the great players Kobe, Durant, Steph Curry, they spend a lot of time shooting the ball to hone that skill."

Argentina beat Puerto Rico 87-79 earlier for bronze.

The Canadians beat Puerto Rico 95-89 to earn their spot in the final, while the Americans topped Argentina 104-92.
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The Canadian men's team played a pair of tune up games against China in preparation for the 3rd (and last) window in the 1st round of qualifying for the 2019 World Cup. Canada handily won both games; the first by a score of 97-62, and the second 108-72.

China is fielding 2 'national' teams of equal talent level so the team they'll field in China as hosts should be stronger than the one Canada just faced. As hosts in 2019 China automatically qualify so are playing lots of exhibition games to prepare.

On Friday Canada will play the game that matters against the Dominican Republic at Toronto's Ricoh Centre. Canada is looking to avenge a 88-76 loss to the Domincan Republic in the first window and to move into 1st place in the group. It should be easier as Canada has significantly bolstered their roster by adding Olynyk, Powell, Birch, and Joseph.
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Triano has Barrett, who just turned 18, under his guidance with the Canadian senior men's team for the first time ahead of two World Cup qualifying games. Canada hosts the Dominican Republic on Friday at Toronto's Ricoh Coliseum, then the U.S. Virgin Islands on Monday in Ottawa.

Barrett's jump to the senior squad comes on the heels of an eye-popping high school campaign. He led Florida's Montverde Academy to a 31-0 record, and was named the Gatorade U.S. national player of the year, the U.S. high school title, the Naismith Prep Player of the Year, and the MVP of the Nike Hoop Summit.

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We should be seeing more and more talent coming out of Canada especially in the GTA. We now have a generation of kids who have grown up in a city that to them has always had an NBA team. The Netflix doc the Carter Effect goes into detail why kids such as Barrett might have gotten into the sport more then if the Raptors never existed. It's an interesting doc.
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We should be seeing more and more talent coming out of Canada especially in the GTA. We now have a generation of kids who have grown up in a city that to them has always had an NBA team. The Netflix doc the Carter Effect goes into detail why kids such as Barrett might have gotten into the sport more then if the Raptors never existed. It's an interesting doc.
Quite right. Another positive development is that it won't be the GTA carrying the whole load. What's happened here is being replicated nationally and we're starting to see players coming out of every region.

Basketball Canada has done a fabulous job riding the wave. They deserve a lot of credit for building up the system, making sure kids get proper coaching, and then replicating that success across the country.

The World Cup gold medal by our U19 boys team was validation but was followed by a thumping by the US at the FIBA Americas U18 tournament 2 weeks ago. Hopefully that's an aberration and we'll see a strong outing by our U17 boys team at the World Cup that starts tomorrow. Another thumping at the hands of the US will mean we haven't bridged the gap yet. Our team kick things off Saturday against Montenegro.
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A revamped Canadian squad crushes the Dominican Republic 97-61. It was 65-53 heading into the 4th. Canada stepped on the gas in the 4th outscoring the Dominicans 32-7. They ran out of gas against a very deep Canadian team.

18 year old RJ Barrett fit right in despite his youth

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Our U17 team isn't as solid as the one we sent 2 years ago. They give up far too many points at the free throw line, often don't get back to defend in time, sloppy with the ball resulting in a ton of turn overs, give up too many offensive rebounds, and aren't as focused as the team we sent previously.

On the plus side they're very talented and always attacking. I'm just not convinced its enough to compete with the Americans. Much like their U18 team that crushed us a few weeks ago in St.Catharines this U17 team look equally imposing.

I hope I'm wrong but see this playing out as follows: USA (gold), France (silver), Canada (bronze).
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Canada thumped 120-71 at the U17 World Cup. Will play Puerto Rico for bronze.
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Wow...DeRozan traded for Kawhi Leonard - though he apparently has "no desire to play in Toronto". Part of a longer-term trade deal perhaps?
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Looks to me like basically a boom or bust rebuild strategy. Pretty easy to gather over the last few years that a core of DD and Lowry isn't going to win a championship. Regardless of whether Lebron has left the East, the Raptors have never actually had a convincing series win against anyone else either. Three years ago when they made it to the conference finals was one of the ugliest playoff runs I've ever seen. Even the series against Washington this year should have been at most 5 games with how well the team played in the regular season. There is something inherently dysfunctional when it comes to this team in the playoffs that probably wasn't going to be fixed with minor tweaks or retooling.

If they kept the team the same as last year, made it to the second or third round and lost again, it would probably be a complete rebuild. This is one last shot to make the finals while keeping the new young core together. 95% chance Kawhi leaves next season anyway, but this gets Derozan's cap hit off the books and keeps us in line with the original rebuild timeline.

From a purely utilitarian standpoint, I think it's a fantastic trade. A starting 5 of Lowry, Kawhi, OG, Green, and Valanciunas is legit. There is an emotional part of the equation though. Derozan is the first star to actually give his heart and soul to the city and commit to playing his entire career here. To pull this off soon after they allegedly promised not to trade him is really not a good look for the front office. Players are already calling them out on Twitter, and for an organization that has always had trouble attracting free agents, it's a questionable decision.
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Wow...DeRozan traded for Kawhi Leonard - though he apparently has "no desire to play in Toronto".
Not exactly how you want to start off.
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