Geeez,
The amount of ignorance in this comment is mind-blowing.
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Originally Posted by BobLoblawsLawBlog
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But why should we have old people immigrating here in the first place. Why not just take in younger people and exclude older immigrants. It's worth noting that the average immigrant who came to Canada in 2014 made $24,000 in 2015. Immigrants aren't making much money and aren't paying much in taxes.
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Because as it turns out, people who immigrate here happen to have parents and relatives and stuff like that whom they might want to come over since families like to be together.
And has been explained to you, and which you seem not to understand (or more likely, just don't want to), they are SPONSORED when they come here, which means the people who sponsor them (i.e. their children who immigrate here through the fully legal process) are financially responsible for them.
So you or your taxes don't pay for them.
And what's your source for that figure for how much immigrants who came in 2014 earned?
Was it just how much they earned in their first year or over the course of their stay here?
Does it take into account that their earnings don't stay stagnated as they improve their conditions and become more settled and integrated into their new society?
Or are you seriously expecting that immigrants immigrating into Canada will be making 6 figure salaries out of the gate?
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Originally Posted by BobLoblawsLawBlog
It's also important to focus on the role insourcing pays on the Canadian job market. Why should employers pay higher wages when immigrants from the third world would do your job for far less and won't complain about working conditions. Go to any Tim Hortons or A&W and the majority of the workforce is composed of immigrants. If Tim Hortons (which has a terrible track record in the field of working conditions) was only able to hire Canadian born people who demanded higher pay, Tim Hortons would either go out of business or pay up.
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Something tells me you're conflating "immigrants" with brown and non-white people, and "Canadian born" with white people.
A lot of people who work at those places you've mentioned are in fact both Canadian born and also happen not to be white.
And I've also been to more than a few places where there are "immigrants" working there who are (a) white and (b) from non-third world countries (read: working and travel visas from Europe)
Regardless, I still don't understand what you're so offended by in this situation?
Is it that Tim Hortons and A & W are paying these workers too low a wage for what you think a "Canadian born" worker (whatever that is) would accept?
Or is it that it's immigrants who are willing to accept to work there, because they don't have a lot of other options open to them?
And what would you have them do? Not be allowed to hire immigrants and then the immigrants wouldn't work and not pay the taxes that you seem so offended they're (somehow) not paying or not paying enough of?
And how do you fold your brain into pretzels to get offended by both the fact that they're working (albeit at a job that pays them what you consider too little for "Canadian born" people to accept) and paying taxes, but at the same time also at the fact that they're paying too little taxes to your liking?
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Originally Posted by BobLoblawsLawBlog
So explain how the points system both doesn't let older people in while also letting them in without them needing to take citizenship tests? Both you and SpongeG are stating conflicting things.
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No we're not.
It's you who's having a difficult time understanding it because you don't know what the hell you're talking about but are acting like you do.
The older people you're complaining about come to Canada by being SPONSORED ( a totally separate process) typically by people who come in through the normal immigration process and are either permanent residents or are citizens (after being permanent residents) and who themselves got in through the points system, and who I might add are working, and paying taxes (since you have to show financial proof when you sponsor someone that, you are in fact, financially capable of sustaining them).
Probably more than YOU, even.
The older people typically wouldn't get in through the points system because they likely wouldn't get enough points based on how it ranks the criteria for letting people in. (it tends to favour younger people and more educated and skilled people)
There's nothing conflicting in what we said.
You just have a hard time understanding it because you've never bothered to educate yourself on the process or more simply have never gone through it nor know anyone who has.
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Originally Posted by BobLoblawsLawBlog
That's a bad thing. Creating an enclave is the opposite of what our immigration system should be doing. It completely disconnects the immigrants from the country. If immigrants want their own enclave, they should consider going back to where they came from. The fact that this kind of thing happens all over the world isn't a good thing either. It's bad enough that Canada had Quebec as a separate enclave in the 1900's, we don't need to create more.
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So forced assimilation and integration is what you're advocating?
How would you carry this out, exactly?
And how well do you think that that's worked in the history of mankind when it's been tried anywhere in the world?
And in any case, this is a non-issue.
n two or three generations, most immigrant children and grand-children usually end up being fully socially and culturally integrated into their society with nothing other than a cultural identity linking them to their parent's or grandparent's home country of origin.
So society naturally takes care of the "problem".
But to expect that first generation immigrants will or should automatically integrate or they should not immigrate at all is frankly speaking, silly.
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Originally Posted by BobLoblawsLawBlog
The wealthy immigrants from China aren't bringing in money, they're just here to make money off the housing market for themselves and escape Xi's "anti-corruption" campaign. Wherever Chinese money goes the housing market explodes, (San Francisco, Auckland, Sydney, Melbourne, Toronto). And it's not just Chinese people though, Russians do the same thing in London and so in. Even if Canada was completely disconnected from the outside world there would still be some inflating housing prices, but to the scale Canada is at now. Also, my hatred goes to the idea of immigration as a whole. If you want to learn more, take a history class on Native Americans or the Hawaiians.
Also I am the child of two refugees by the way
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You know, this was all you needed to say.
(Not that it wasn't already clear from your comments).
Leaving aside the blinding (and frankly speaking, hilarious) irony of someone who says they're a child of two refugees proudly proclaiming how much they hate the idea of immigration as a whole, I really don't think you're making your point by pointing to Native Americans and Hawaiians as examples of why immigration is bad, considering all the historical context you're leaving out of why their societies suffered from newcomers to their lands versus how different the situation is with a modern immigration system.
But alas, that would require far more nuance and introspection than I fear you're capable of.
Suffice it to say, this discussion thread has been derailed enough from the topic that was being discussed, and I'm not going to respond any more, towards this particular issue.
All I'll say to leave it is this: you seem not to know what the hell you're talking about vis-a-vis the immigration process, and immigrants in Canada despite what seems to be your blinding hatred for both them and the process in general, and while I would suggest you at least take the time to inform and educate yourself, I fear that that's just a wasted effort, so let's agree to disagree and just leave this here where it's at.
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