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1) I was specifically talking about INCORPORATING existing buildings into new construction rather than clearing them and starting over, NOT just rehabbing stand-alone buildings. Please give me a few more of the "countless other" examples around St. Louis. Yes, St. Louis is nationally recognized for it's progressive historic tax credits. It's also nationally recognized for unprecedented land clearance, its dysfunctional decades-old zoning, and its obsession with parking lots and garages. So forgive me (or don't as I don't really care) for wincing when I see more sound, attractive, and irreplaceable (in terms of material quality and craftsmanship) buildings (609 Eastgate and 6236 Enright in particular) wasted while so much already-vacant land around the city languishes. And at the risk of another assault for offering information, the original funeral home was not incorporated into the Moonrise, a facsimile of its facade was rebuilt using new and salvaged material.
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I knew what you were suggesting. That’s why I pointed out the Moonrise and Renaissance Grand. And come on with the Moonrise, you are cherry-picking. Nonetheless, there are countless others, including one recently announced in Clayton regarding a church. There are some very prominent ones, in fact. While St. Louis may not be a leader, don’t act as though it is not done in the region. I know of plenty, however, you have to figure out the rest to satisfy your appetite because I am tired of feeding you.
Further, in most regions where there are sprawl issues there are issues with parking garages and lots in their center cities. St. Louis is no more famous for this than any other city. It’s the same with zoning. St. Louis’ zoning is being updated. The city started updating zoning ordinances/laws in 2005. You are eight years late. The plan is not static. Despite changes, zoning could use some tightening. Nonetheless, St. Louis, unfortunately, doesn’t have the luxury of being as rigid in zoning as Chicago or New York or Boston. It’s a double-edged sword. For me, some of you all magnify the problem when it comes to St. Louis instead of looking at the bigger picture.
Land clearance. Okay…Mill Creek Valley, Pruitt-Igoe and the Riverfront for the Gateway Arch. What else? A lot of other properties scattered throughout St. Louis have been cleared because they were deemed unsafe or uninhabitable. If people and businesses hadn’t left the city, maybe many of the precious structures would be around still. Despite some hard fought battles by preservationists, there are a lot of old buildings still left St. Louis with lots of potential. LOTS. Many cities would kill for the old building stock St. Louis has. Nevertheless, I am not going to cry over demolitions. I'll leave that to you all.
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2) I don't particularly care if you think I'm a "geek" or that I "don't know when to turn it off." I think your characterization of my comment as "sabotage" is laughable hyperbole. And I happen to think (based on your post above, the one that got deleted, and your lack of composure in previous Pevely discussions) that you sometimes respond like a child when people disagree with you. As I said in my deleted comment, this is a public, urban forum. You could argue that 90% of the comments here are "belabored". If you don't want the public to comment then call your bestest friend on the phone, tell them all about it, and don't post it here. I was going to leave it at my previous post, but then you started throwing insults. If anything you're sabotaging your own thread.
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No offense, but you can be a buzzkill. Apparently you haven’t figured out that this thread is about CONSTRUCTION – not your persistent preservation rants. All you have done on this thread - for the most part - is crept over here to complain. You have only contributed to this thread, for the most part, complaints and rants. I went back 10 pages and all you ever do is complain. I could see if you posted a project or two from time-to-time to balance things out, but all you do is whine.
And Child. Smild. Get a life. The buildings are gone forever. Apparently there were no uses for them anymore. While you are entitled to your opinion and freedom to post here, it would be nice if you contributed more than just complaints here and there. Take up your concerns with University City, Washington University and the City of St. Louis or whatever entity or jurisdiction. I understand the need for preservation, but you tend to take it to whole different level.
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3) I'm aware that you were quoting the PD, and I didn't say I was correcting YOU, so settle down. Whether or not you consider it a "necessary" correction, the fact is FOUR (one more than I realized previously) buildings are being demolished for the first phase (read about it here). That is a fact which is separate from my opinion. Period.
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Well the way you replied, it appeared that way. So next time YOU need to be more concise in your replies. I don’t care that four structures are being demolished. You should be able to deduce that by now. I am not a geeky hardcore obsessive preservationist who cares about buildings that I don’t own. This is a construction thread. Not a thread for you to always make PRESERVATION PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENTS everytime a demolition permit or demolition occurs in St. Louis.
With the exception of the corner building or whatever it is, what is being gained is greater than what is being lost - 500-600 students living on The Loop. Move on.
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0) I even said that I APPRECIATE what Wash. U. is doing with this project. I LIKE THE DAMN PROJECT. I simply expressed my sadness that 609 in particular is getting wrecked. If anyone overreacted it wasn't me with my 2-line post. It was you with your diatribe and insults. At any rate, you're more than welcome to ignore my occasional, brief comments rather than get derailed by my supposed attempts to "sabotage" "your" thread.
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First you said that you "appreciate" the project. Now you "like" the project. Good. Stop complaining about it. And for the record, I have ignored your "occasional, brief comments", but grace can only be extended for so long, which is why I unleashed the wrath. While we are trying to build St. Louis up on this thread, you come sabotaging the efforts.
Point is, I don't dislike you. I don't even know you. But contribute more than complaints. Present a balance. I'm done.