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Didn't see this article posted. I thought it read better.

http://www.chicagoarchitecture.org/2...akeshore-east/
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A lot of good points in there.
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Sorry but I'm just not feelin it.
Same. I just don't like the very light-blue color and the odd massing.

Hopefully it will look better once its completed.
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IDK, it's a pretty ugly tower IMO
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I like the design AND the height! This spot is screaming for a supertall just like this!

But I can't help but feel "Where's the Spire?" (Hence, the Chicago Spire!)
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Thought you were a proud and vocal hater, now s/he is "good"?
When did I ever hate Jeanne Gang?

I've loved pretty much every project she's done in Chicago
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More trivia than anything else, but a building there would kill most of the view of Aqua from the river (meaning the tour boat crowd would see less of it). I guess Gang probably wouldn't care since the thing blocking the view of her building is also her building.
The smallest part of it is on the right, there probably still be a view.
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^^ Think the reference there was to God, not Gang.

At any rate, my initial reaction to the rendering is a bit on the underwhelmed side as well, however that could be just as much or more a function of incredibly high expectations as anything else. It's got potential - and a lot of potential to grow on me as well. Wondering of course just how 'final' the design is in this rendering.....

Also, the wsj article seemed to imply a total project cost of no more than approximately $250 million. Seems to me to be at least somewhat on the low side to build what's in that rendering (and keeping in mind luxury hotel and condos for the residential)........Actually, scratch that - that up to $250 million would only be the equity investment I'm assuming.....total cost including debt of course could be much more........I have a feeling the leverage here will likely end up being quite a bit lower than other 'similar' projects.....
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Simply brilliant exchange between LVDW and Pilsenarch. Pretty much spot-on. Bravo!

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Excuse my shitty 10 min sketch, but you get the picture...
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AMAZING, Louis.... not it EXACTLY, but very darn close...

I'm not sure to be more impressed with your ability to sketch it or my ability to describe it...

oh, and it IS one building and continuous floor plates, more or less...
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I want to judge this negatively just as I judge the Spire negatively but in both I think the materials will look much different from the actual renders so this might be a masterpiece or a turd depending on the materials.
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Wow, interesting!
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Maybe it's because we're all so hungry for a new supertall or maybe it's the reputation of the developer but i feel like a lot of you are being a little too diplomatic. This thing is flat out hideous.
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I actually like the massing the way it is. Having the largest tower all the way to the east is just more unexpected. I don't think this design will block Aqua all that much from the river. That is probably why the largest tower is all the way to the east. Can't wait for more detailed renders.

The shape of the building is so different from anything else we've seen in the city. So exciting. It's almost the antithesis of Aqua.
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Maybe it's because we're all so hungry for a new supertall or maybe it's the reputation of the developer but i feel like a lot of you are being a little too diplomatic. This thing is flat out hideous.
or maybe it's because opinions about aesthetics are quite subjective?


no............ no............ that can't be right at all. what was i thinking?


if the great and powerful Kenmore deems something to be flat out hideous*, then it is an immutable fact! and any who might disagree simply must be clouded by by ulterior passions and associations.


(*) based entirely off of a single, small, early, and perhaps preliminary rendering, no less
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I really like the concept. I don't like the render but I could see it working. I am wondering if the stripes on this thing will be anything like the stripes on One57.
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It's amazing how there's these companies out there who you've never heard of and have all this money. I had no idea this company bought AMC Theatres for $2.6 Billion. The design is definitely interesting - I'm in the middle about it. I don't hate it but I don't absolutely love it either. Wish it was more curved in some places. I'd be interested to see other more HQ renders.
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I wasn't sure how I felt about this design when I first saw it last night, but the more I think on it the more I like it. Honestly I think this just continues Studio Gang's recent trend of wandering more and more into the territory of brutalism. I almost hope that this building isn't entirely clad in glass, but rather had prominent concrete components. The massing of this project (and her recent U of C dorms) are very reminiscent of the monumentalist themes of brutalism. Screw the green washing, let's call a spade a spade, Gang's monolithic Aqua was a preview of a new wave of brutualism out of her, not some flowy green bullshit.

I can already tell this is going to be a good building because of the angsty, mixed, response to this design so far. It is evoking strong feelings from people which indicates that it is radical, unexpected, and, most importantly, original.

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.....(T)he wsj article seemed to imply a total project cost of no more than approximately $250 million. Seems to me to be at least somewhat on the low side to build what's in that rendering (and keeping in mind luxury hotel and condos for the residential)........Actually, scratch that - that up to $250 million would only be the equity investment I'm assuming.....total cost including debt of course could be much more........I have a feeling the leverage here will likely end up being quite a bit lower than other 'similar' projects.....
Wanda's own website gives a figure of US$900-million. Link.
That seems like a more realistic figure.

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Old Posted Jul 9, 2014, 3:19 PM
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I can already tell this is going to be a good building because of the angsty, mixed, response to this design so far. It is evoking strong feelings from people which indicates that it is radical, unexpected, and, most importantly, original.
Agreed - I love designs that think outside of the box and that's one thing I like about this design. It's unique and pushes the boundaries of design IMO. Which is great
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ok, now i get it
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