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[Harley613]

Originally Posted by Enigmatism415

Had the twins never been destroyed, they'd have been dwarfed in the not-so-distant future anyway. A skyline dominated by twin monoliths would have inevitably become a relic of a bygone chapter in NYC's history with or without their destruction.

I don't understand what you mean..There is nothing Downtown built or proposed that would dwarf the old WTC. The new 1WTC is the same height but there's only one tower...(stupid antennae doesn't count).

[chris08876]

Originally Posted by Harley613

I don't understand what you mean..There is nothing Downtown built or proposed that would dwarf the old WTC. The new 1WTC is the same height but there's only one tower...(stupid antennae doesn't count).

Its a hypothetical comment that is assuming the creation of something which would of been taller overtime. While currently the tallest downtown, overtime it may be dethroned. Similar to whats going on in Midtown and the dethroning of the ESB. We just never know. The next 500+ m tower could be downtown. Possibly in the future even a 600m.

[mrjoanofarc]

Originally Posted by chris08876

Its a hypothetical comment that is assuming the creation of something which would of been taller overtime. While currently the tallest downtown, overtime it may be dethroned. Similar to whats going on in Midtown and the dethroning of the ESB. We just never know. The next 500+ m tower could be downtown. Possibly in the future even a 600m.

I.E.


Of course, the Twins would have always contributed to the city's identity... Same reason the ESB getting dwarfed one day won't take away its special place in our hearts.

[JZeig1]

Thought I was on the WTC1 page for a minute. Hummm?>*!#....

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by JZeig1

Thought I was on the WTC1 page for a minute. Hummm?>*!#....

As is what happens when people stray off topic.

[Enigmatism415]

Originally Posted by NYguy

Maybe, maybe not. We don't know that we would have gotten many of the initiatives that are transforming Downtown. The new WTC is reshaping the area, so much so that even the WFC is being transformed. The new Downtown is not the old Downtown, it's become a much more attractive place, developers are seizing on that fact and the oportunity that comes with it.

Well, as you said:

Originally Posted by NYguy

The NYSE ultimately decided to build their own tower, and was well on their way (with help from the city and state) to building a 900 ft tower accross the street from its current headquarters. Then came 9/11, and that tower was canceled out of fears.

So while I agree that the new WTC is reshaping downtown (positively and negatively), evidence shows that we would have likely gotten some additional tall (or taller in the case of the NYSE tower) buildings had 9/11 not occurred.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by Enigmatism415

So while I agree that the new WTC is reshaping downtown (positively and negatively), evidence shows that we would have likely gotten some additional tall (or taller in the case of the NYSE tower) buildings had 9/11 not occurred.

That tower, at 900 ft, would hardly be anything to dwarf the old twins. But enough about that.

[DrownedWorld]

Well now, back to the business of discussing World Trade Center Tower number 3 and the campaign to get it built...

I walked down to the site after work yesterday, on a wind-swept rainy Friday night, passing by Larry Silverstein's new fast-rising Church Street Hotel along the way, and I was struck by how high Tower 3's core has reached, even though it appeared as nothing more then a dimly-lit black silhouette against the surrounding illuminated area and through the pouring rain. The Core itself looks almost double in height from it's previous 7-story "stump" and there has definitely been major progress going on on behalf of the iron workers. As dark and rainy as it was, I could still make out the steel framework that is now beginning to surround the newly heightened and increasingly massive core.

BTW, on a side note, much to my surprise, the foot pathway that runs between the Post Office Building and WTC Tower 2 originally was closed off with a perimeter security fence. As of last night, this pedestrian footpath which leads people directly between the temporary PATH Station entrance and Church Street and is directly in front of and under WTC 1/Freedom Tower, now has a partial sidewalk opening so you can walk right up to a portion of Tower 2 itself. A glass door and window, protected by the constant presence of security officers, allowed me to get a brief glimpse of a bit of the future ground floor/Lobby of Tower 2. It is very obvious from what I saw that construction is quietly on-going. This beautiful atrium, layered with slabs of polished marble and brushed-pewter steel, I stood there briefly in awe looking at it. Mr. Silverstein, please find an anchor tenant and get some kind of financing going so this gorgeous Tower 2 can fully re-start again!

[NYguy]

Regarding tower 2, the portion of the tower which leads into the new PATH concourse will have to open, regardless of what' s going on with the rest of it, when the concourse opens.

As far as tower 3 goes, they are moving right along. And I always forget the walkway between 3 and 4 is partially open.

[10023]

Originally Posted by mrjoanofarc

I.E.


Of course, the Twins would have always contributed to the city's identity... Same reason the ESB getting dwarfed one day won't take away its special place in our hearts.

This actually looks pretty awesome.

[DrownedWorld]

I am aware of how time-consuming and rightfully secretive the on-going negotiations are between lease-holder Larry Silverstein and prospective tenants for Towers 1, 4 and 3. I think I read somewhere recently that besides anchor tenant Group M Worldwide signing onto Tower 3, a second, much smaller tenant has leased a single floor in Tower 3. I could be mistaken, as the newly-opened Tower 4 has signed it's first private tenant earlier this year to a single floor.

It's going to take a huge anchor tenant to sign onto Tower 2 to get that building moving again. As Tower 3 rises into the sky next year and the Church Street Hotel tops out, I think the momentum will be there to re-start Tower 2 again. I still feel very strongly that Mr. Silverstein should go ahead and build the first 7-stories "stump" of Tower 2 right now. If for no other reason, it will demonstrate to potential future tenants that Tower 2 is underway and not just Pie in the Sky.

If Tower 3 presumably tops out in 2016 and opens sometime in 2017, the goal should be to have Tower 2 and even the least-mentioned Tower number 5 hopefully skyward and completed by 2021...a full twenty years after 9/11, thereby finally completing the entire World Trade Center site permanently for that milestone twentieth anniversary.

I notice no one ever mentions Tower/Building 6, because I don't think it exists. Either on paper, computer or otherwise. Number 6 will probably end up at the site of the temporary PATH station entrance, sitting between Towers 1 and 2. I think that area should just remain a grassy plain, as depicted in the original computer graphics of the site plan released, along with the tower designs, in September 2006.

[weidncol]

The PAC is going to share the 6 WTC name.

[mrjoanofarc]

Originally Posted by 10023

This actually looks pretty awesome.

I want someone to make a version with the Kingdom Tower!

Originally Posted by JZeig1

Thought I was on the WTC1 page for a minute. Hummm?>*!#....

...because more than 1 person chimed in (for a whopping total of 3 SHORT posts-- 4, including NYguy... somebody better spank him)? Forum culture really p*sses me off sometimes.

(Edit: Can we not talk about the general future of the downtown skyline in a WTC post? Move to "General Future of the Downtown Skyline" thread, excuse me!)

[DrownedWorld]

I always knew the prospectus was for a Performing Arts Center between Towers 1 and 2 might be built and assume the title of World Trade Center 6, as it should.

If it were up to me, I would leave the entire area between Towers 1 and 2 alone. Those two behemoth towers will need a little breathing room, if you will, and clear space between them so people can do what they did at the old windswept WTC Plaza- lay down on their backs and look up and photograph Towers 1 and 2. That would be awesome. Make it a grass field and put the old bronze Globe that was the centerpiece of the old WTC plaza right in the middle of this grass. That Globe ended up in Battery Park, at the bottom of Manhattan, it's shattered sculpture on display right next to the water. Who knows where it is now - I have no idea.

I don't want to catch flack for this, but since the Church Street Hotel is Larry Silverstein's and is barely two blocks north and east of WTC Towers 2 and 7 and still within clear sight of Towers 3 and 4, maybe it should be considered to take the title of WTC Tower 6 (?). Just wondering...

[NYguy]

^ What are you people going on about?


December 6, 2014


The portion of the walkway between 3 and 4 that is open and gives access to the memorial...because of the difference in elevation, you go down a series of steps to reach Greenwich Street...










closer look at the render...

[DrownedWorld]

"What are You People going on about?"

I was talking about visiting the sites of Towers 3 and 2, tenants, the Temporary Path Station entrance and what future holds for that area between Towers 1 and 2. In my humble opinion, I suggested leaving that particular area empty with grass and the old WTC Plaza bronze sculpture in it. I also mentioned the future of WTC 6, be it a Performing Arts Center or in my opinion, the possible inclusion of Larry's Church Street Hotel into the WTC fray.

I never said anything about a walkway between Towers 3 or 4, or some fantasy "Kingdom Tower" taken from Abu Dubai.

[Crawford]

Originally Posted by DrownedWorld

I was talking about visiting the sites of Towers 3 and 2, tenants, the Temporary Path Station entrance and what future holds for that area between Towers 1 and 2. In my humble opinion, I suggested leaving that particular area empty with grass and the old WTC Plaza bronze sculpture in it. I also mentioned the future of WTC 6, be it a Performing Arts Center or in my opinion, the possible inclusion of Larry's Church Street Hotel into the WTC fray.

The Four Seasons has nothing to do with WTC, 6 WTC has nothing to do with the Performing Arts Center, and no, they aren't going to leave a part of the WTC "empty with grass".

[weidncol]

^^ Yes, 6 WTC is the nickname for the PAC...

[Zapatan]

The WTC will look so incredible when this and tower 2 are finished. Let alone that 1350+ footer across from 4WTC

[Hypothalamus]

Shvo's tower will be a great juxtaposition -- tall and sleek up against a comparatively blunt and stout 4 WTC. Silverstein's Church Street Hotel will also serve as an awesome architectural juxtaposition against 2 WTC's glassy façade. Too, the Hotel makes an ambitious integration with the Woolworth Building. 3WTC will fit nicely in the middle to help moderate the party, though 1WTC will have the final word.