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Old Posted Dec 22, 2017, 12:05 AM
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Here are some more comparisons between San Francisco and Manhattan.


Rich/Affluent Neighborhoods

San Francisco (Pacific Heights):

Alta Vista by Brandon Doran, on Flickr

Manhattan (Upper West Side):

The Lake and the Upper West Side skyline by Apostolis Giontzis, on Flickr


Large City Parks (I think both of them were designed by the same person)

San Francisco (Golden Gate Park):

Golden Gate Park and Ocean Beach in San Francisco by David Oppenheimer, on Flickr


Manhattan (Central Park):

Manhattan (central park) by Paco Gaitero, on Flickr


Hispanic/Latino Neighborhoods

San Francisco (Mission District/ mostly Mexican and Central American):

San Francisco-Mission District by emile lombard, on Flickr


Manhattan (Washington Heights/ mostly Dominican):

Alto Manhattan (Washington Heights) by 何塞埃利亚斯 (何塞·克鲁兹), on Flickr


African American Neighborhoods

San Francisco (Fillmore District/ Western Addition):

San Francisco / Western Addition's History by Mark Denton, on Flickr

Manhattan (Harlem):

Harlem by Miryam HaMagdalit, on Flickr



Two of the finest examples of American urbanism and each one represent their respective coasts very well.


I will do some of the other comparisons/analogues mentioned in the thread so far like Brooklyn and Montreal and San Diego and San Antonio.

I'm surprised anyone hasn't mentioned London, Paris, and Rome, New York and Paris, and Chicago and Toronto. I will look into those in the future.
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Old Posted Dec 22, 2017, 12:13 AM
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How is San Francisco not opulent at all? It has some of the grandest architecture in the country. A lot of it looks seedy, but it's still grand. What would be an example of an opulent US city if not SF?
New York City.
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Old Posted Dec 22, 2017, 12:22 AM
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Which core SF neighborhood would you describe as "opulent"? Where is this preponderance of "grand architecture"?

Affluent core SF neigborhoods look like this. Nice looking, but not exactly beaux arts Vienna:

https://www.google.com/maps/@37.8017...7i13312!8i6656
Nob Hill
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.7927...7i16384!8i8192

Russian Hill
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.8001692,-122.4193425,3a,75y,130.45h,87.4t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sceyuhxAhcY_6xmmVJlH0Gg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656


Market Street
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.7846...7i16384!8i8192

I never said it was on Vienna's level, and you didn't answer my last question.
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Old Posted Dec 22, 2017, 1:47 AM
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Sorry but San Antonio is nothing like San Diego. Ever been to Carlsbad? North county beach towns? What San Antonio suburbs look like this? What about Cabrillo? Where is San Diego’s river walk? San Diego is a military and nautical city—aircraft carriers, f-18s, ULA...also sanantonio is a hugely Hispanic city like Miami while San Diego is more white.

I don’t see it.
So two cities have to look and feel exactly alike to be a proper analogy? Then no two cities fit the criteria because they aren't exact clones of each other.
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Old Posted Dec 22, 2017, 5:16 AM
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madison also historically has had superior street level urbanity and compactness to austin.


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it has the upper midwest, even great lakes feel to it. austin feels completely different to me...
I haven't been to Madison, but aside from the urban downtown and campus areas, Austin feels suburban even close to downtown. At least downtown and campus have good density now.
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Old Posted Dec 22, 2017, 5:24 AM
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This is a lazy comparison. Besides having a Sea World park and being within 1M people, these cities aren't that similar.
Yeah, I can't see the similarities at all between San Antonio and San Diego. Both are pretty unique, but in different ways.

Edit: Well, they're both big military cities, I'll acknowledge that.

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Old Posted Dec 22, 2017, 5:32 AM
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Honestly if I had to compare Seattle to any city I think it would have to be Denver, yes they are unique in their own rights and no two cities are the same, but when I'm in Seattle it just reminds me so much of Denver (not topography or weather wise, but the feel and culture of the city) There is just something eerie familiar between the two.

Now out of cities I've been too I would have to say the cities that are most similar would have to be Dallas, Phoenix, and Houston. Go to one of those and it almost feels like you've been to the other two. Outside of their urban cores (although I'm still not convinced Phoenix even has one) They are all pretty un-distinct and identity-less. I lived in Phoenix for a few years and flew to Dallas for my first time, got out of the airport and outside of there being humidity and a few more trees I honestly felt like I was still in Phoenix. Maybe I'm wrong but that's just how I view it.
To me, Phoenix is very much different from Houston and Dallas, except for all three being very spread out metro areas. But Phoenix is physically very different, being desert and mountains. Dallas is a typical midwestern landscape, and Houston is tropical and green, with trees typical of the South. Houston and Dallas have many nodes of highrises around the city and suburbs, while Phoenix doesn't. Even the housing styles are completely different. This isn't a criticism of your viewpoint, but I'm just saying that I've never noticed any similarities.
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To me, Phoenix is very much different from Houston and Dallas, except for all three being very spread out metro areas. But Phoenix is physically very different, being desert and mountains. Dallas is a typical midwestern landscape, and Houston is tropical and green, with trees typical of the South. Houston and Dallas have many nodes of highrises around the city and suburbs, while Phoenix doesn't. Even the housing styles are completely different. This isn't a criticism of your viewpoint, but I'm just saying that I've never noticed any similarities.
Houston is humid but not tropical.
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Old Posted Dec 22, 2017, 6:06 AM
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Really? Wow. Vienna, to me, would be pretty much the opposite of SF.

Vienna is the extremely grand former capitol of an empire, known for opulent public realm and tradition. It's somewhat of a backward looking city.

SF is the rising center of an ascendant region, with almost nothing grand/opulent, and no tradition. It's definitely a more forward looking city. SF looks kinda shabby compared to Vienna (which isn't a criticism; almost everywhere looks shabby compared to Vienna).

There are some similarities between Brooklyn and SF. They're both inordinately hipster, very urban/transit oriented for U.S. standards (though Brooklyn is on another level), and obviously there are the bridges and harbors.

But, at street level, I don't think the cities look that similar. And there are obvious differences, with SF being very outdoorsy, Brooklyn very Jewish, Carribean and the like. Brooklyn is like twice the size and three times the density of SF.
Aesthetically speaking, Vienna feels similar to SF. They both have similar densities, and much of the architecture outside of the tourist zones in Vienna seems similar to the styles in SF. And then obviously street cars are iconic to both cities.

Another city that reminds me a lot of SF is Lisbon.
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Old Posted Dec 22, 2017, 6:10 AM
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Chicago is a bigger version of pretty much any major city in the Midwest.
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Old Posted Dec 22, 2017, 6:16 AM
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Seattle and Chicago are analogous for reasons very different from those google images of single family areas.

A word about google images...Seattle's density is mostly on 15% of the in-city land dotted around town. The 15% is becoming urban at a high rate, while the 65%(?) that's SFRs continues to be suburban. Also the images appear to be before much of the current boom...from 4/1/10 to 12/22/17, the in-city population has probably grown 19-20%. If you look at current views of the 15%, the picture is different.

The similarities include a visual element...sometimes I see Chicago and think it's the Columbia Center as others have suggested. More notably, Seattle is a mini-Chicago in terms of its most downtown as center of everything. Both are filling underused downtown fringe areas with towers. Both focus large percentages of their offices in their greater downtown areas. Both have older office-dominated downtowns plus northern expansion zones that mix in more residential. Each has multiple downtown waterfronts. Both have two-level areas in their older downtown parts. Both have maintained strong downtown retail, and both focus their tourism in their centers.
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Chicago is a bigger version of pretty much any major city in the Midwest.
Or any city on a lake, like Ontario.
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Old Posted Dec 22, 2017, 8:35 AM
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If we're comparing SF to NYC, i'd say it's not as simple as comparing it just to Brooklyn, or just to Manhattan. I think a better comparison would be if you took some parts of Brooklyn, some of lower Manhattan, and some of Jersey City, and mixed it all together.

Crawford seems kind of ignorant about SF.

Here's another "grand and opulent" affluent SF neighborhood, Pacific Heights:

https://www.google.com/maps/@37.7925...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.7949...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.7920...7i16384!8i8192
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.7935...7i13312!8i6656

(seems like Crawford wants pics of big old fancy apartment buildings)


Or what about Union Square and the Financial District? There's plenty of big old fancy apartment and office buildings and hotels down there:

https://www.google.com/maps/@37.7922...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.7883...7i16384!8i8192
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.7886...7i16384!8i8192
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.7867...7i16384!8i8192
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I ask again why does everything have to be exact to be an analogy? How many really steep hills are in NYC and far northeastern New Jersey?
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I ask again why does everything have to be exact to be an analogy? How many really steep hills are in NYC and far northeastern New Jersey?
Are you referring to my post?
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Atlanta and Charlotte.
Green leafy cities in the trees. Similar land use, similar street net work, lack of a grid, similar climate. Both experiencing high growth and have for decades.


http://www.freestockphotos.biz/stockphoto/14762

http://images.metroscenes.com/2013/c...ilroad_tracks/


Aerial view looks very similar at the same scale.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/At...!4d-84.3879824

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ch...!4d-80.8431267
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This thread has turned out to be just as superficial as feared.

If you're just going to look at skylines, most American cities are the same. Small cluster of tall buildings, surrounded by nothing much of importance.
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To me, Phoenix is very much different from Houston and Dallas, except for all three being very spread out metro areas. But Phoenix is physically very different, being desert and mountains. Dallas is a typical midwestern landscape, and Houston is tropical and green, with trees typical of the South. Houston and Dallas have many nodes of highrises around the city and suburbs, while Phoenix doesn't. Even the housing styles are completely different. This isn't a criticism of your viewpoint, but I'm just saying that I've never noticed any similarities.
Phoenix had the misfortune of booming in the latter half of the 20th century (look at it's population from the 1940 to 1990 censuses). At least Downtown and Midtown are trying their damnedest to urbanize (ASU's Downtown Campus and the Roosevelt Neighborhood have helped significantly) but like you said, other than large suburban footprints, that's about where the similarities between Dallas, Houston and Phoenix end.

Texas also has the fortune of having numerous large metro areas competing among each other without one dominating state politics and resources more than the others (I'd argue that my home state of Ohio is similar). Phoenix and its suburbs (basically Maricopa County and parts of Pinal County) dominate state and local politics, sometimes seemingly to the detriment of the rest of us who don't live in the Valley.
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Chicago is a bigger version of pretty much any major city in the Midwest.
you should perhaps substitute great lakes, not midwest. chicago is definitely not a jumbo analogue of the river cities.
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