Pattullo Bridge Discussion: Upgrades/Replacement | U/C

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Express691

Patullo is closed in both directions as of now.

I think this is a good simulation for when they start to close it down and build a new bridge.

Police with "distraught person" since 3am.

So maybe we can assume suicide barriers have the added benefit of keeping the bridges open more often?

[osirisboy]

Is it? People have little to no warning that it's closed this morning and they most likely will have it remain open during the construction of the new one.

I don't know why the police can't say why it's closed except to say it's an incident! Like no shit it's an incident, we already figured that

Edit* warren I just saw your post.

[go_leafs_go02]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Police with "distraught person" since 3am.

So maybe we can assume suicide barriers have the added benefit of keeping the bridges open more often?

Front street is closed as well on the New West side.

EDIT - looks like everything is open again.

[gary92]

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[officedweller]

Cool blog posts with historical information:

Tolls failed to pay for Pattullo Bridge – Removal sparked spontaneous celebration
https://oppositethecity.wordpress.co...s-celebration/

Our First Four-Lane Highway, 1937
https://oppositethecity.wordpress.co...-highway-1937/

Hikawa Maru on Fraser River, 1939
https://oppositethecity.wordpress.co...er-river-1939/

The Hikawa Maru was the largest ship ever to pass under the Pattullo Bridge and through the swing span of the New Westminster Bridge.

The ship passed the bridges on a “high slack” tide, her 140-foot masts clearing the span of the Pattullo by six feet.

She also safely cleared the electric lines on the Fraser River Bridge, which are raised on very high poles, but took out the lower-rigged telephone wire. These cables were merely unplugged and were quickly reconnected.

The ship loaded large-dimension timbers at the Canadian Western Lumber Company, Fraser Mills.

...

From 1930 the Hikawa Maru ran regularly between Yokohama, Vancouver and Seattle. The ship has an interesting history. Decommissioned in 1960, the NYK Hikawamaru is now a floating museum in Yokohama.

https://oppositethecity.wordpress.co...er-river-1939/

http://www.nyk.com/rekishi/e/exhibitions/hikawa.htm

And regarding the tolls on the Westminster Bridge (now rail only):

Bridge liberated: Fraser River tolls removed
https://oppositethecity.wordpress.co...tolls-removed/

The toll was-
Pedestrians 5 cents
Horses & rig 10 cents
Loaded drays & wagons 20 cents

https://oppositethecity.wordpress.co...tolls-removed/

[grid_master]

Looks like the Pattullo "rehab" project went to Mainroad. Another tiny bandaid is going to be placed on this damn bridge.

[cairnstone]

Originally Posted by grid_master

Looks like the Pattullo "rehab" project went to Mainroad. Another tiny bandaid is going to be placed on this damn bridge.

band aid is for critical repairs. Until the metro area figures out what they want to do with traffic through New West we cant build a new crossing. Twice this year the bridge was close to repair critical failures. If you look back in time there was proposals to build new bridge this was in the 80's. The plan was to build new span instead of skybridge, and route the skytrain over Patello bridge.

[grid_master]

Originally Posted by cairnstone

band aid is for critical repairs. Until the metro area figures out what they want to do with traffic through New West we cant build a new crossing. Twice this year the bridge was close to repair critical failures. If you look back in time there was proposals to build new bridge this was in the 80's. The plan was to build new span instead of skybridge, and route the skytrain over Patello bridge.

Bridge deck concrete patching isnt critical repairs. Translink's own reports say that this bridge needs seismic repairs, those ARE NOT being done.

[Nites]

Any chance this bridge becomes a historical landmark lol?

[Stingray2004]

Originally Posted by grid_master

Translink's own reports say that this bridge needs seismic repairs, those ARE NOT being done.

The Alex Fraser Bridge and all other similar cable-stayed structures in Metro Vancouver are designed to structurally withstand a major 8.5 quake. And that's a localized, shallow quake.

OTOH, both the GMT and PB are both extremely "seismically-challenged". The GMT has added seismic retro-fitting (those huge steel band-aids connecting the tunnel sections on the roof structure). Even then, it is just a seismic "band-aid". Value-engineering has ascertained that additional seismic work in order to bring the GMT up structurally to current 8.5 quake standards is just simply toooooo financially cost prohibitive.

And ya can also expand that synopsis to the PB - perhaps even ten-fold financially. Again. Just waaaay too cost prohibitive. Just need to replace these structures completely.

Let me put it this way. If a "localized shallow" 6.8 Nisqually quake (Seattle back in 2001) took place in the vicinity of either the GMT or PB, there would be a better than 50% chance that a catastrophic collapse would have occurred with either the GMT or PB.

Frankly, I always drive thru/over those structures as fast as I can - knowing that likelihood.

[jlenko]

Originally Posted by Stingray2004

Frankly, I always drive thru/over those structures as fast as I can - knowing that likelihood.

Better off avoiding them entirely with that attitude... speeding there you're more likely to die in a car accident than in an earthquake!

I avoid the Pattullo Bridge like the plague. I just don't need the headache.

[dandor31]

Do not travel on the Pattullo Bridge between April 29 and October 3!

http://www.translink.ca/pattullorehab

• Maximum of one lane each direction
• Night closures twice a week
• Weekend closures once a month
• Extra service hours on 101, 104, 128, 155, 340 and 410
• Expected delays of 20-40min AM and 10-30min PM

[logicbomb]

Originally Posted by dandor31

Do not travel on the Pattullo Bridge between April 29 and October 3!

http://www.translink.ca/pattullorehab

• Maximum of one lane each direction
• Night closures twice a week
• Weekend closures once a month
• Extra service hours on 101, 104, 128, 155, 340 and 410
• Expected delays of 20-40min AM and 10-30min PM

I mean, you may as well shut the damn bridge down.

[BCPhil]

The thing I'm dreading most is how it will affect bus service into Scott Road station. It's already dreadfully slow getting into the station in the AM rush (sometimes adding 15 to 20 minutes on just the stretch between 104 and the station). I almost wish they would close it for the duration and speed up the repairs.

[GeeCee]

Should be interesting with Front Street closed as well. Note to self: stay the hell out of New West if at all possible for the next six months.

[Mininari]

Originally Posted by GeeCee

Should be interesting with Front Street closed as well. Note to self: stay the hell out of New West if at all possible for the next six months.

Holy crap, I forgot about that. New Westminster is going to be a whole new level of traffic gong show.

I love how Todd Stone was very quick to 'remind' everyone that the Tolled Port Mann should be used as an alternate. Talk about a captive costumer base. We will still see lots people plugging up New West to avoid the tolls. Nonetheless, one cannot help feel someone is trying to force toll revenues up, and maybe retain some of those users with a prolonged inconvenience at the Patullo. "Hey, I've been paying the toll for months, and this is faster.. so why switch back?"

[go_leafs_go02]

Online Survey, Connection Options, Project Summary, etc. can all be found here:

http://www.translink.ca/en/Plans-and...placement.aspx

[Metro-One]

Thanks for posting.

Man, these new road connections compared to what was proposed during the last round a few years ago are terrible.

The SFPR connection with Scott Road MUST be an interchange, not a traffic light. Everyone please comment about that in their survey.

New West side, option A is much better IMO. On option B, why is only southbound grade separated????

[Metro-One]

Already sent my survey in, requesting them to not use a traffic light at Scott Road / SFPR (we need an interchange there).

And selected option A for New West, with the note that option B would be worth looking at if both south and northbound through lanes were grade separated, not just south (so weird!)

[Express691]

I just thought that Patullo needs more interchanges rather than stop lights; I recall how horrendous it was when that section was burned down - Traffic lights were literally non existent.

How feasible would it be for the new Pat bridge to be a floating bridge? That way, we can have easier connections to Front street since thats where most truck traffic goes.