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Old Posted Sep 10, 2010, 9:36 PM
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Interesting assessment. I have lived in Port Moody most of my life, with the exception of 4 years in South Langley (similar weather to White Rock it seemed). I find the difference in weather between the two areas to be staggering.

The rainfall stats suggest this as well:
Vancouver 1285mm
North Van (Capilano) 2044mm
Coquitlam 1924mm
Langley 1486mm
White Rock1102mm
Surrey 1409mm
Abbotsford 1573

There are countless days on the weekend in the spring/fall when my wife and I escape the dark cloud that hangs over Port Moody and head to South Surrey, where we can walk along Crescent Beach/White Rock in the sun with a gentle breeze.

It's not even so much the rain or the clouds, it's the darkness that exists on the north side. Port Moody, especially being surrounded by mountains it blocks alot of natural light and the sun sets a little bit earlier. There is nothing worse than sitting in 45 minutes in traffic on the Moody Street overpass at 4:30 on a Friday night, dumping buckets of rain on a dark, dark November night.

At least the North Shore slopes downwards and you have some natural light looking south.

And why else would anyone move to White Rock/South Surrey? How about because it's one of the most desirable areas in the Metro? Close to beaches, golf courses and tons of recreation (not skiing of course) with a small town, laid back feel? Also one of the safest most community oriented areas around? Or is because it's one of the most economically progressive? The area reeks of prosperity (call me crazy but I prefer this kind of atmosphere than one crawling with unemployed hipsters who spend all day at organic coffee shops).

Sure the old strip might be hokey and run down, but White Rock is considered by many to be the jewel of Metro Van. The only major drawback being it's proximity to DT Vancouver (which many of the residents see as a blessing). If you plopped this area where East Van or Burnaby is, it would arguably be the most desirable area in the Lower Mainland.

I'd move there in a second if my wife didn't work in the city, as her commute time is the only think keeping us in Port Moody.

But hey, I might be a little resentful too if I had to commute from North Van to S. Surrey everyday.
Ok, i concede that south is better - I live Lower Lonsdale which certainly does not get 2000 plus mm. I can't find specfic stats for Lo Lo but seems to recall reading it as around 1400, similar to coal harbour. I honestly don't see any real difference than when I lived in Kits.

Total mm can be very misleading. Sydney Oz gets 1200 mm a year. Its more to do with number of rainy days vs sunny days rather than total rain fall.

I do actually like white rock, but when considering moving there, found the town itself lacking and run down away from the front. Crappy buildings, limited amentites etc - and then the drive to vancouver. I'm from the UK and still struggle with the functional approach to the building of many of the towns here - many areas of metro vancouver are very run down and depressing. I'm surprised there hasn't been more growth and development there over the years.

I'm not crazy about the commute, although I can use the commute as part of my work day and get a company car. I start at 7 am and leave home at 7 am. Otherwise........

White rock would be a way better commute for me, but the Mrs works downtown.

oh....the sun has got his hat on here for a change
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Old Posted Sep 10, 2010, 9:42 PM
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If you want the best of everything, close to nature, transit, and city, then I would recommend the West End, especially if you want to rent first and try the city on for size. There is no better way to be introduced to the character of Vancouver (for better or worse) than spending your first year in the West End.

You would be close to the park, beaches, shops, and transit. It's easy to get over to the north shore from downtown, and I would take daily easy access to Stanley park and the Seawall over the north shore mountains. That's just my taste, I would rather bike/jog/walk the seawall every day than climb the Grouse Grind once or twice a week. And if you want to do stuff on the north shore, like ski or mountain bike, transit gets you there in 25 minutes.

Kits is great, if nature is secondary to living in a more socialista community. Kits has good access to the beach, and decent access to Granville Island, and 4th Ave is a trendsters wet-dream, but there's not much in the way of nature. Good views of nature, but not close to any of it.

If you do like to mountain bike or hike, and downtown and the North Shore are out of your price range, I would say close to SFU is a good bet. You might be slumming it a bit compared to other places, but it's usually affordable, and Burnaby mountain is covered with trails through the forest. Alternatively, the Brentwood area is quite pleasant (not very walkable, but still nice and fairly urban) and Skytrain takes you anywhere, especially a few close by parks like Burnaby Lake and Burnaby Mountain/SFU.

If walking in a park is more your thing, I would say live close to Patterson Station, near Central Park in Burnaby. It's a bit nicer than right near Metrotown, and the park is beautiful, with many city run activities (outdoor pool, pitch and put, and tennis were my favorite when I lived there) and Skytrain takes you into downtown in 15 minutes. The area feels incredibly urban with all the apartments and condo towers and townhomes, but not too busy and hectic (very quiet at night). Living near Metrotwon and the park, for me, was very enjoyable.

If you are looking to buy, and don't have to commute, but own a car, and are worried about rain, and want some space, I would recommend South Surrey and White Rock. I lived there last year, and the place is radically different than it was 5 years ago (so don't rely on old stories and opinions you've heard).

There is a good mix of houses, duplexes, townhouses, condos and apartments. It's a bit tough to find rentals in the area as most apartments are held onto for a long time, but there seem to be a lot of houses and suites for rent.

But for purchasing, South Surrey probably has some of the best price per square foot ratios in the lower Mainland West of Langley. There are many brand new, spacious townhomes in the sub $400K range, and lots of brand new and diverse shopping (Thrifty's FTW). If you have a car or even a bike, you are a short drive away from many, many parks (Surrey is the "City of Parks" afterall). And getting downtown by car only takes 45 minutes or so (faster than a comparable distance to Fleetwood or Cloverdale), and Transit service has greatly improved since the opening of the Canada Line.
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If you want the best of everything, close to nature, transit, and city, then I would recommend the West End, especially if you want to rent first and try the city on for size. There is no better way to be introduced to the character of Vancouver (for better or worse) than spending your first year in the West End.

You would be close to the park, beaches, shops, and transit. It's easy to get over to the north shore from downtown, and I would take daily easy access to Stanley park and the Seawall over the north shore mountains. That's just my taste, I would rather bike/jog/walk the seawall every day than climb the Grouse Grind once or twice a week. And if you want to do stuff on the north shore, like ski or mountain bike, transit gets you there in 25 minutes.

Kits is great, if nature is secondary to living in a more socialista community. Kits has good access to the beach, and decent access to Granville Island, and 4th Ave is a trendsters wet-dream, but there's not much in the way of nature. Good views of nature, but not close to any of it.

If you do like to mountain bike or hike, and downtown and the North Shore are out of your price range, I would say close to SFU is a good bet. You might be slumming it a bit compared to other places, but it's usually affordable, and Burnaby mountain is covered with trails through the forest. Alternatively, the Brentwood area is quite pleasant (not very walkable, but still nice and fairly urban) and Skytrain takes you anywhere, especially a few close by parks like Burnaby Lake and Burnaby Mountain/SFU.

If walking in a park is more your thing, I would say live close to Patterson Station, near Central Park in Burnaby. It's a bit nicer than right near Metrotown, and the park is beautiful, with many city run activities (outdoor pool, pitch and put, and tennis were my favorite when I lived there) and Skytrain takes you into downtown in 15 minutes. The area feels incredibly urban with all the apartments and condo towers and townhomes, but not too busy and hectic (very quiet at night). Living near Metrotwon and the park, for me, was very enjoyable.

If you are looking to buy, and don't have to commute, but own a car, and are worried about rain, and want some space, I would recommend South Surrey and White Rock. I lived there last year, and the place is radically different than it was 5 years ago (so don't rely on old stories and opinions you've heard).

There is a good mix of houses, duplexes, townhouses, condos and apartments. It's a bit tough to find rentals in the area as most apartments are held onto for a long time, but there seem to be a lot of houses and suites for rent.

But for purchasing, South Surrey probably has some of the best price per square foot ratios in the lower Mainland West of Langley. There are many brand new, spacious townhomes in the sub $400K range, and lots of brand new and diverse shopping (Thrifty's FTW). If you have a car or even a bike, you are a short drive away from many, many parks (Surrey is the "City of Parks" afterall). And getting downtown by car only takes 45 minutes or so (faster than a comparable distance to Fleetwood or Cloverdale), and Transit service has greatly improved since the opening of the Canada Line.
Excellent post. I think ultimately the determining factor about where to live will be commute time. I generally prefer the south of the Fraser commutes, but likely wouldn't consider it if I had to commute to Vancouver everyday (as I mentioned, my wife's commute is the only reason we have not relocated).

And (another White Rock/S Surrey plug by me), the area has greatly changed in the last 5 years. The Grandview Corners and Morgan Crossing area have changed the face of the community (from a quiet oceanside community to a thriving progressive suburb). The one big drawback of the area was not only was it far, but people were driving to North Surrey/Langley or Richmond for amenities like big box retail, movie theatres, restaurants etc.

The only major chains currently not in the area are Superstore and Costco (but apparently they're coming too). Still no plans for a decent theatre it seems though...
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Old Posted Sep 10, 2010, 10:10 PM
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BTW, I still recall one winter, as a kid, whereby north of the George Massey Tunnel 8 - 12 inches of snow lay on the ground right after a snowfall through to the North Shore, but when driving southbound thru the GMT it was all bare and dry on the southern side - quite surreal actually.
Christmas Eve morning 2008, it was snowing like crazy in White Rock, but I had to get to the ferry to get over to Victoria. I had to shovel my driveway to get my car out, and by the time I was done, had to do it again. Finally got the car out after a few hours of work. Drove at about 10km/h on the half plowed roads, taking the long way to the freeway to avoid icy hills. Got on the freeway and it was somewhat plowed, but whiteout conditions. Do a steady 50km/h all the way to Hwy 17. Once I'm on Hwy 17 and pass Ladner Trunk, there is not a single flake of snow on the ground and it's not even raining. And it wasn't gradual, it was like a barrier had been erected that separated the snowy side from the dry side. Get to the ferry and it's sunny and the ground is bone dry.

Vancouver is all about micro-climates. That year there were also a few times when I would leave overcast but dry White Rock to Vancouver where there was about a foot of fresh snow.
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Old Posted Sep 10, 2010, 10:58 PM
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Excellent post. I think ultimately the determining factor about where to live will be commute time. I generally prefer the south of the Fraser commutes, but likely wouldn't consider it if I had to commute to Vancouver everyday (as I mentioned, my wife's commute is the only reason we have not relocated).

And (another White Rock/S Surrey plug by me), the area has greatly changed in the last 5 years. The Grandview Corners and Morgan Crossing area have changed the face of the community (from a quiet oceanside community to a thriving progressive suburb). The one big drawback of the area was not only was it far, but people were driving to North Surrey/Langley or Richmond for amenities like big box retail, movie theatres, restaurants etc.

The only major chains currently not in the area are Superstore and Costco (but apparently they're coming too). Still no plans for a decent theatre it seems though...
Grandview Corners is my favorite designed strip-mall/plaza in existence. I just love the street feel, with parkade behind the stores. It feels pedestrian while still inviting to drivers. And Morgan Crossing (and the entire area around Grandview Heights) is probably one of the best designed communities outside of downtown Vancouver. However the condos in the Crossing are a bit overpriced and have had lagging sales of late, especially when compare to full, spacious townhouses within a block or two. And the area should see another explosion in the next boom.

The Riverport Silvercity is only about 25 minutes away from South Surrey (depending on how close to the freeway you live). That's not bad for something you do maybe twice a month. And if you make an evening of it by going bowling or to the brew-pub, the drive feels worth it.

I would also take the lower mainland's only true Super Walmart over a Superstore anyday. That Walmart has a good stock of everything (and is amazingly clean and not grungy at all plus I love parking underground), but I still prefer buying produce and meats from the grocery stores, and South Surrey has some of the best examples of grocery stores around (again, Thrifty Foods FTW, it's like a sane person's Choices, or maybe that's just my Island blood talking).
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Some of the posts above me remind me of a friend who moved here from Calgary for about 1.5 yrs. He lived somewhere in the middle of nowhere in Burnaby, but he didn't own a car and would bike everywhere, but his bike got stolen and he got depressed and moved back.

I guess there's no moral to that story, except that I think that if you move here, try and move into a neighbourhood that is walkable and transit-friendly. If you can live near a Skytrain station, I think your quality of life will Skyrocket (getit? getit? lol), regardless whether you drive alot or not. The amenity and lifestyle options will be a huge plus for your experience in Vancouver.
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To be honest, if someone was considering White Rock for its village feel, I'd suggest they go with Steveston which is more interesting (though it doesn't have a beach) and has way better transit connections to Vancouver. Tsawassen is nice, buts its main drag is still a bit too strip-mallish for my taste and transit is slower.

The OP needs to think about what else is important to him beside the outdoors. Restaurants? Cultural activities? Shopping? I'd agree the West End would be a good intro, but choose your apt carefully. Don't face back lanes (binner and truck noise) and go for a view. I lived in one of those apt's across from Sunset Beach years ago and still miss that English Bay view
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Grandview Corners is my favorite designed strip-mall/plaza in existence. I just love the street feel, with parkade behind the stores. It feels pedestrian while still inviting to drivers. And Morgan Crossing (and the entire area around Grandview Heights) is probably one of the best designed communities outside of downtown Vancouver. However the condos in the Crossing are a bit overpriced and have had lagging sales of late, especially when compare to full, spacious townhouses within a block or two. And the area should see another explosion in the next boom.

The Riverport Silvercity is only about 25 minutes away from South Surrey (depending on how close to the freeway you live). That's not bad for something you do maybe twice a month. And if you make an evening of it by going bowling or to the brew-pub, the drive feels worth it.

I would also take the lower mainland's only true Super Walmart over a Superstore anyday. That Walmart has a good stock of everything (and is amazingly clean and not grungy at all plus I love parking underground), but I still prefer buying produce and meats from the grocery stores, and South Surrey has some of the best examples of grocery stores around (again, Thrifty Foods FTW, it's like a sane person's Choices, or maybe that's just my Island blood talking).
checked out grandview of on line. Looked like a fancier strip mall to me or am I missing something?
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Great posts. South sounds promising for a future buy. We live in suburbs for many years and I think prefer 'to stay closer to the ground' so to say. So having own own detached or townhome with some backyard would be preferable.
But for a first year rent to feel the city and be close to nature with parks (walking in the park with the dog is our main activity though we don't have much choice here now) and a beach West End seems to be a great place. It's also close to West Vancouver where our friends live (rent) which is nice.
I wonder if rent prices in places like West End or Kits would be much higher then other parts of Vancouver?
EDIT: looks like renting a place where dos are allowed will be a challenge

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checked out grandview of on line. Looked like a fancier strip mall to me or am I missing something?
its an outdoor mall - much nicer in person than in pics

its surrounded by new townhouses and moms with strollers popping into H&M to trick out their kids euro style
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Great posts. South sounds promising for a future buy. We live in suburbs for many years and I think prefer 'to stay closer to the ground' so to say. So having own own detached or townhome with some backyard would be preferable.
But for a first year rent to feel the city and be close to nature with parks (walking in the park with the dog is our main activity though we don't have much choice here now) and a beach West End seems to be a great place. It's also close to West Vancouver where our friends live (rent) which is nice.
I wonder if rent prices in places like West End or Kits would be much higher then other parts of Vancouver?
EDIT: looks like renting a place where dos are allowed will be a challenge
the west end is almost a rite of passage into vancity and should be experienced by all, it really is a great part of the city.
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its an outdoor mall - much nicer in person than in pics

its surrounded by new townhouses and moms with strollers popping into H&M to trick out their kids euro style
something like the one in west vancouver?
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similiar - the morgan crossing one is the same developer who did the village at park royal - grandview corner isn't as nice but isn't too bad
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this is typical weather - the lack of sun but no rain... all pics by me - taken in january a couple years back







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Nice. What's this green stuff on third picture?
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Nice. What's this green stuff on third picture?
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Nice. What's this green stuff on third picture?
bedding plants for a grow-op?
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Nice. What's this green stuff on third picture?
looks like rogers park, just north of Broadway around columbia. I think.
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Hi everyone
great forum first of all!
I currently live in Greater Toronto, visited Vancouver a few times and fell in love with it. My wife and myself are thinking about moving to west cost some time next year. I don't know yet temporary or permanently.
We have friends who moved to West Vancouver from Toronto 4 years ago and they still didn't come back.
We visited them a couple times (both times in August) and it was great. We are into outdoor activities a lot. And there is much more opportunities here then in Ontario - diving, hiking, skiing. You know better then me.
So my question basically is - how bad is THE RAIN really? Is it really wet and gloom for 9 month here? Is it hard for you? How do you cope?
so to answer your original question, NO not wet and gloomy for 9 months. Other sterotypes for Vancouver (might be some truth to some):

Vancouverites are pretentious and rude
Vancouverites act like they are rich all driving around in flashy cars but have no class
There is nothing to do - boring - no fun Vancouver
no culture
Homeless people on every corner
Gangwarefare - watch those bodies in the street, you might trip
and it rains 9 months a year - actually it's usually, it rains 11 months of the year

I'll let you decide which are real.
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Nice. What's this green stuff on third picture?
its greener here in winter than in summer

this was early february 2010


and primulas bloom in winter here...


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