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So what is solution from DDP? DDP blame KMT for not solving this problem during KMT ruling. Now since DDP take government for almost 2 years, this problem has not been solved. Ruling party and opposition party should work out the solution together, not just blame each other.
DPP have already announced their inteniton to completely renovate the terminal once T3 comes on line. The building was poorly built and the KMT administration at the time is to blame for allowing orgranzied crime in the form of the 4 Seas and Bamboo Union to influence the bid. This level of corrupt bidding and oversight is a common feature of KMT administrations - Taipei Gate, Evertransit BOT, Radium Group BOT, Taipei Dome BOT, Airport MRT... notice a trend?
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The orange roof trim on the terminal extension brings to mind the dated palace architecture that dominated Taiwan's authoritarian years ... Songshan terminal, Taipei Station, Yuanshan Hotel, Jiantan MRT. It's a pity the KMT is still tied to these ideologically driven designs.
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I would not blame any political party. I want to blame the architect and contractor! I always hated T2 design, when new, it was already an outdated design, and it get hold so bad.
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DPP have already announced their inteniton to completely renovate the terminal once T3 comes on line. The building was poorly built and the KMT administration at the time is to blame for allowing orgranzied crime in the form of the 4 Seas and Bamboo Union to influence the bid. This level of corrupt bidding and oversight is a common feature of KMT administrations - Taipei Gate, Evertransit BOT, Radium Group BOT, Taipei Dome BOT, Airport MRT... notice a trend?
I will add something about your comment. The passenger traffic during 2000s was declining until KMT took office in 2008. Since then, passenger traffic rise dramatically because KMT open direct routes and air space to China. Political issue made by DDP during 2000s cause problems for Taoyuan International Airport development. DDP though there is no further development for this airport because lack of traffic. That terminal 3 project was developing during KMT ruling. And, airport company is set up during this period. For me, both parties have caused problem to this airport. People is out of patient for this leaking issue, especially DDP and KMT promised solve this problem in the past. People don't care it is DDP ruling or KMT ruling. Just get this done! KMT don't solve it, it does not mean DDP can have excuse. Closing-terminal2-plan has already been criticized by airlines. Airport company is evaluating the plan. I think it will take longer time before they make decision.


Political infighting can cause power shortage to my beloved country is so ridiculous. Lack of power reserve has caused problem to Taiwan competitive. Power outage in 8/15/2017 made a lot of people rethink political infighting between KMT and DDP.

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I will add something about your comment. The passenger traffic during 2000s was declining until KMT took office in 2008.
No. The decline started after the KMT took power during the financial crisis. And that can't be blamed on anyone in Taiwan. If you have evidence to the contrary, feel free to post a link.

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Since then, passenger traffic rise dramatically because KMT open direct routes and air space to China.
Sure traffic increased dramatically after 2009 when more tourists from China and LCCs arrived.Even with a decrease in Chinese arrivals the past year, overall passengers are still increasing.

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Political issue made by DDP during 2000s cause problems for Taoyuan International Airport development. DDP though there is no further development for this airport because lack of traffic.
Except for the plan to renovation T1, which would have been done earlier if it wasn't for constant obstruction made by the KMT controlled legislature.
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/fron...3/0000201851/1
And that is also the role they are playing today:
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/fron.../01/2003677553

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That terminal 3 project was developing during KMT ruling. And, airport company is set up during this period. For me, both parties have caused problem to this airport. People is out of patient for this leaking issue, especially DDP and KMT promised solve this problem in the past. People don't care it is DDP ruling or KMT ruling. Just get this done!
You care! You were the one that linked the leaky roof to party politics!


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KMT don't solve it, it does not mean DDP can have excuse. Closing-terminal2-plan has already been criticized by airlines. Airport company is evaluating the plan. I think it will take longer time before they make decision.
Well, it would seem the terminal has some serious problems that need to be addressed. Closing it down to renew it makes sense to me, but if they don't want to shift to T3 then that's fine - they can just work around renovations like they did at T1.


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Political infighting can cause power shortage to my beloved country is so ridiculous. Lack of power reserve has caused problem to Taiwan competitive. Power outage in 8/15/2017 made a lot of people rethink political infighting between KMT and DDP.
Power outrage was caused by human error not a lack of power reserve. They mistakenly took the 4,384,200 KW Datan gas plant off line on the hottest day of the year. William, poor training is to blame, not politics!
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No. The decline started after the KMT took power during the financial crisis. And that can't be blamed on anyone in Taiwan. If you have evidence to the contrary, feel free to post a link.


Sure traffic increased dramatically after 2009 when more tourists from China and LCCs arrived.Even with a decrease in Chinese arrivals the past year, overall passengers are still increasing.


Except for the plan to renovation T1, which would have been done earlier if it wasn't for constant obstruction made by the KMT controlled legislature.
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/fron...3/0000201851/1
And that is also the role they are playing today:
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/fron.../01/2003677553


You care! You were the one that linked the leaky roof to party politics!



Well, it would seem the terminal has some serious problems that need to be addressed. Closing it down to renew it makes sense to me, but if they don't want to shift to T3 then that's fine - they can just work around renovations like they did at T1.




Power outrage was caused by human error not a lack of power reserve. They mistakenly took the 4,384,200 KW Datan gas plant off line on the hottest day of the year. William, poor training is to blame, not politics!
Power reserve is used to avoid power outage in any situation including power plant shut down. Media and critic have talked a lot about Taiwan is facing power outage because of low power reserve. 2-3% power reserve is too low for our country. Mr. Lai has admitted it is national problem that government has to solve when he replaced Mr. Lin last month. It is evident prove that DDP make mistake for their power policy.

For Taoyuan International Airport, open air-route to China is very important policy. It help Taoyuan International Airport to catch up other major airports in nearby region and make government set up master plan for Taoyuan Airport. It is fact. The other fact is Taoyuan International Airport still has a lot of works need to be done to improve its facility and infrastructure. KMT has not done yet. So DDP take responsible immediately since it become ruling party. KMT become opposite party, so its job is to watch DDP. Our concourse is so outdated. Our roof is still leaking. Our airport was flood last year. Terminal 3 project and New WC taxiway is not finished. I say again, people only care government solve these problems as soon as possible.
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Old Posted Oct 19, 2017, 1:44 AM
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Taoyuan airport always as a good customer service, he always has food rating.
So after the completition of terminal 3, Taoyuan airport will be a real world class airport.
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Power reserve is used to avoid power outage in any situation including power plant shut down. Media and critic have talked a lot about Taiwan is facing power outage because of low power reserve. 2-3% power reserve is too low for our country. Mr. Lai has admitted it is national problem that government has to solve when he replaced Mr. Lin last month. It is evident prove that DDP make mistake for their power policy.
So what should the policy be? Nuclear plants? Renewables? Coal? Gas? What is the mistake?

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For Taoyuan International Airport, open air-route to China is very important policy. It help Taoyuan International Airport to catch up other major airports in nearby region and make government set up master plan for Taoyuan Airport. It is fact. The other fact is Taoyuan International Airport still has a lot of works need to be done to improve its facility and infrastructure. KMT has not done yet. So DDP take responsible immediately since it become ruling party. KMT become opposite party, so its job is to watch DDP. Our concourse is so outdated. Our roof is still leaking. Our airport was flood last year. Terminal 3 project and New WC taxiway is not finished. I say again, people only care government solve these problems as soon as possible.
What do you mean "catch up other major airports"? TPE is dated, but the customer experience has always been fine in my opinion. Friendly helpful staff, flights are on time, always a jet bridge instead of a bus, free hot and cold water, clean toilets. True, the airport doesn't impress like Singapore or Madrid, but it has always been more passenger friendly than most.
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Frosty relations with mainland China meant hundreds of millions of potential customers will not use Taiwan as a transit point to other locations. This keeps TPE rather low on passenger numbers compared to other airports in the region, especially its immediate competitors HKG and ICN.
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So what should the policy be? Nuclear plants? Renewables? Coal? Gas? What is the mistake?



What do you mean "catch up other major airports"? TPE is dated, but the customer experience has always been fine in my opinion. Friendly helpful staff, flights are on time, always a jet bridge instead of a bus, free hot and cold water, clean toilets. True, the airport doesn't impress like Singapore or Madrid, but it has always been more passenger friendly than most.
The policy? Government said it will try to increase power reserve to 15% of total power supply as soon as possible to avoid power outage. It will based on increase number of fire power plant using coal and natural gas and wind plant and solar generator. Yesterday, government claimed that electricity price will increase 20% for non-nuclear policy.

Customer service is very poor until Taoyuan Airport Company established in 2008 by Ma Government. Since then, survey on airport serivce is improved annually. I give you some data.

file:///C:/Users/williamchung/Downloads/%E4%BA%9E%E6%B4%B2%E6%9C%80%E4%BD%B3%E5%9C%8B%E9%9A%9B%E6%A9%9F%E5%A0%B4%E8%A9%95%E6%AF%94%E4%B9%8B%E6%8E%A2%E8%A8%8E-%E5%AE%9A%E7%A8%BF.pdf

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Someone should be responsible for all these problems


Source: http://www.chinatimes.com/realtimene...4001016-260407

桃機又漏水 賀陳旦挨轟不讓外國人看笑話很難?



2017年10月14日 07:53 中時電子報 中時電子報/謝雅柔
受颱風外圍環流與東北風共伴效應影響,桃園地區13日大雨不斷,桃機二航廈下午2時左右發生漏水,國家門面再次出糗。國民黨文傳會副主委洪孟楷砲轟交通部長賀陳旦神隱境界已經不怕開水燙!他諷刺表示與其要花四千多億蓋注定虧本的蚊子建設,不如把機場搞定,「不讓外國人笑話我們,真的很難嗎?」

桃園機場昨天又因大雨而漏水,並且造成地面積水,洪孟楷說這已經不知道是第幾次國門因雨而讓國外旅客看笑話,他說這樣的品質和國門真的是號稱進步先進的台灣所有?而上台後信誓旦旦要解決此問題的賀陳旦部長更是神隱,「真不怕開水繼續燙?」

洪孟楷說即便現在桃園機場有公司管理,但交通部身為主管機關責任絕對責無旁貸,賀陳旦從「保證不再淹水」變成「是漏水非淹水、但同樣錯誤不再犯」,到現在乾脆不再發言。洪說如果政務官不能勇於任事、不把該負責業務當成必須解決之事,那麼張三李四王五誰來當官不也沒有分別,人民的需求還放在心上嗎?

洪孟楷直言,與其要花四千多億蓋注定虧本的蚊子建設,把機場搞定別再淹水,不讓外國人笑話,真的很難嗎?
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Another big problem of Taoyuan airport is the poor design of the signage!
Easily confusing and misleading!
Even worse than the signage in Kaohsiung airport!



Source: https://udn.com/news/story/7266/2420044

桃園機場超容易迷路…都怪這件事落後20年




桃園機場指標設計有盲點,旅客尋路不便。看這張圖,有發現問題在哪裡嗎? 記者鄭超文/攝影

台灣大眾運輸系統特別容易迷路,台北火車站甚是被外國旅客形容為「大迷宮」,許多人歸咎於動線設計不良。然而在設計師眼中,有個更關鍵、卻容易被忽略的原因:指標設計。

設計師葉忠宜、張軒豪認為,旅客來到台灣,第一眼會注意的是機場「指標」。但桃園機場第一、二航廈指標設計卻「停留在20年前」。他們更進一步指出,台灣大眾運輸系統容易迷路,問題都在「指標」無法跟上現代設計美學;指標的顏色、字體、大小,只要好好設計,就會柳暗花明又一村,迷宮變成康莊大道。




設計師葉忠宜(左)、張軒豪提出「桃園國際機場的指標設計改善小提案」。 記者陳宛茜/攝影

●交通指標 需專業設計

「通用設計(universal design)」是近年崛起的趨勢。尤其在高齡化社會,指標材質、字體大小與顏色,須顧及視力較弱的族群,包括色盲與白內障遊客;日本和歐洲都有專門的指標設計公司,交通運輸站的指標都「讓專業的來」。但台灣缺乏此類公司,多交給建築師設計,因此指標有許多改善空間。

●看問題-顏色

張軒豪舉例,桃園機場指標設計問題,首先即在字體的「顏色」。符合「通用設計」的指標,字體色彩明度色階差異要大。桃機指標主要是藍底白字,雖符合原則,但藍色看板材質易透光,意外降低色差,視覺效果打折。



桃園機場指標是藍底白字。但藍底透出白光,不利識別。 記者陳宛茜/攝影

●看問題-字體

第二個問題是「字體」。葉忠宜認為,桃機指標中文字採用新細明體,但新細明體會產生視覺不協調感;且筆畫過「細」,光線不佳時很難辨識;它與英文字體的搭配也格格不入。因此,新細明體不適合當指標字體。



桃園機場指標,字體設計不良,指標再多都會讓人迷路。 圖/葉忠宜提供

●看問題-位置

第三個設計盲點,是「箭頭與文字的相對位置」。台灣指標的「箭頭」統一放在「文字」左邊,但向右走的箭頭也放在文字左邊,很容易造成覺錯覺。有些人就算看到箭頭向右,卻不知不覺往左走。



桃園機場原本的指標,箭頭統一放在文字左邊,但向右走的箭頭同樣放在左邊,容易造成視覺錯覺。 記者鄭超文/攝影

●常被忽略的小眉角

機場指標還有許多「小眉角」,比方,圓柱不適合放指標,因為會因曲面而變形。同一指標不宜放過多轉乘資訊,有時指標愈多、愈容易迷路。葉忠宜說,在機場如此廣闊又動線複雜的空間中,哪些位置適合放指標不會遮蔽乘客視野、也不會在吸引乘客閱讀時擋住人流,都需要精密計算。

●改善方案 加強辨識力

葉忠宜、張軒豪在2017台灣文博會主題館中,提出「桃園國際機場的指標設計改善小提案」,重新設計機場指標。

在他們的設計方案,中文字體改為森澤UD新黑體字,顏色為黑底黃字。歐文字體則是Fontsmith 的FS Millbank字體。箭頭根據方向決定位置,向右的箭頭就放在右邊,向左的箭頭就放在左邊。他們也在指標中加入日文標示。



左邊是桃園機場指標系統,右為設計師提出的改善方案。 記者陳宛茜/攝影

UD指的就是「通用設計」。張軒豪表示,這套字體是基於「在細小尺寸內就能順利辨識」的原則下開發,擁有容易辨認字體外型、容易閱讀與不易讀錯等特色。而FS Millbank本身就是針對指標設計的字體,具有遠距離、行走之間也容易辨識的特性。

●借鏡荷蘭史基浦機場

張軒豪認為,荷蘭史基浦機場(Amsterdam Airport Schiphol)是機場指標的典範之一。「史基浦總是不斷改變、不斷適應需求。」他分析,史基浦只要加入新動線、新人潮,機場所有指標便會做「系統性」的調整轉換。不像桃園機場加了捷運,也只是把指標當「壁貼」般移來移去,未根據整個系統的改變重新調整。
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The policy? Government said it will try to increase power reserve to 15% of total power supply as soon as possible to avoid power outage. It will based on increase number of fire power plant using coal and natural gas and wind plant and solar generator. Yesterday, government claimed that electricity price will increase 20% for non-nuclear policy.
So you think a twenty percent increase is unreasonable. That may be. However, an increase may also lead to merchants finally putting doors on their business like the rest of the world instead of air conditioning the street. People tend to waste resources they feel are inexpensive and given how the average retailer floods the street with cold air on hot days, one could conclude that the price should be somewhat higher. In any case, the rate increase is a result of previous cuts. How many utilities are cutting rates?

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/biz/.../21/2003614014
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/biz/.../16/2003641659
https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/908024

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Customer service is very poor until Taoyuan Airport Company established in 2008 by Ma Government. Since then, survey on airport serivce is improved annually. I give you some data.

file:///C:/Users/williamchung/Downloads/%E4%BA%9E%E6%B4%B2%E6%9C%80%E4%BD%B3%E5%9C%8B%E9%9A%9B%E6%A9%9F%E5%A0%B4%E8%A9%95%E6%AF%94%E4%B9%8B%E6%8E%A2%E8%A8%8E-%E5%AE%9A%E7%A8%BF.pdf

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Interesting. I really didn't notice much of a difference on the service side vs star airports last decade (ICN, HKG, SGN). The formation of an airport authority also happened around the same time that the renovation of T1 was completed, which even though it wasn't started during his administration (Gateway Series, 2004), the Ma government did a competent job overseeing completion of the project.
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