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Old Posted Mar 17, 2018, 1:29 PM
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$7.1-billion transit plan finalized for Vancouver area

$7.1-billion transit plan finalized for Vancouver area
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SPECIAL TO THE GLOBE AND MAIL
PUBLISHED MARCH 16, 2018


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A historic compromise between regional mayors and the province has sealed the deal on the largest transit investment in British Columbia history, with a $7.1-billion package that includes two rapid-transit lines in the Vancouver region.

The announcement Friday reveals how the latest phase of federal infrastructure money will affect B.C. — namely, to help pay for a 10-year plan for transit in the Lower Mainland that stalled amid funding disputes with the provincial government.
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The total funding package money will cover both capital and operating costs that were part of a $7.5-billion, 10-year plan for improving transit agreed on by local mayors four years ago. The plan includes new light-rail service in Surrey and an east-west extension to Vancouver’s SkyTrain network known as the Broadway Subway line.
Broadway Skytrain extension west to Arbutus, providing a connection to the Canada Line at the Broadway-City Hall station.

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I believe the approved LRT is the portion extending east to Guildford & south to Newton. The diagonal could one day be an extension to Langley of the Skytrain line currently terminating at King George.

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Overall potential map (with future Skytrain extensions all the way west to UBC and southeast to Langley).

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Old Posted Mar 17, 2018, 8:07 PM
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A good offshoot of the NDP/Green government, I suppose. Too bad they didn't go with more Skytrain to Surrey though... Having to transfer is kinda annoying...
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A good offshoot of the NDP/Green government, I suppose. Too bad they didn't go with more Skytrain to Surrey though... Having to transfer is kinda annoying...
Lots of big transit systems are like this - just off the top of my head I know Shanghai, Beijing, and Singapore all have lines operating just in their suburbs that require transfers to another line to get to the city core.
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Old Posted Mar 21, 2018, 11:28 PM
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Skyrtrain would be overkill through Surrey.

Too bad the Millennium Line extension doesn't go al the way to UBC.
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Old Posted Mar 22, 2018, 1:52 AM
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Kind of lame.

7.1 billion and no skytrain to UBC. That LRT plan looks bad, I'm guessing its all at grade and the stops are kind of close together.
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Wow. That would a) cost ten times as much in the US and b) have no contribution from the state or federal government (plus the state would steal the local transit money).

I've been wondering, what comes next in Vancouver after these (other than UBC extension)? Hastings Skytrain extension/line? Arbutus LRT? North Shore high capacity transit? 41st crosstown line?
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Old Posted Mar 29, 2018, 2:15 AM
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Rapid transit generally follows the B Lines (On street BRT), so any of those is a safe bet.

I personally hope for a 41st line cutting up from Metrotown to Brentwood which would tie the entire system together nicely.
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Would a Hastings line be Skytrain or light rail? If light rail, seems like the Arbutus line and Hastings line could be one line via downtown (using a subway in downtown).
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There is a plan for a streetcar in the city of Vancouver, I don't know if its part of translink but I think it would be the next project after the surrey and broadway extension.



full info: http://dailyhive.com/vancouver/arbut...ions-vancouver
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Old Posted Mar 29, 2018, 7:34 PM
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I've been wondering, what comes next in Vancouver after these (other than UBC extension)? Hastings Skytrain extension/line? Arbutus LRT? North Shore high capacity transit? 41st crosstown line?
Agreed, it's fun to wonder about this. All of the things you suggest seem worthwhile. Here's a few thoughts:

Hastings Line: Extend the Expo Line from Waterfront down Hastings to SFU, then south to Lougheed. Take over the Lougheed Branch of the Expo Line down to Columbia, where trains would terminate. This would turn the Expo line into a loop with a tail, like the Oedo line in Tokyo or the Circle Line (post-2009) in London.

North Shore: Could be an extension of the Canada Line.

Arbutus: Should it connect to the route of the Olympic Line, or could it go over the Burrard or Granville bridge to Downtown? What to do at the southern end? Do you end at 41st? Do connect with the Canada Line, and where? Marine Drive or across the river at Bridgeport? Would an extension beyond either of those termini be useful?

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Anything down Hastings would be grade separated, there's no room for any meaningful street level LRT. It would probably terminate at or around Willingdon since there's not much beyond that, though the prospect of linking it up with the Expo spur @ Lougheed is interesting.

Arbutus would likely cut east at Marine and travel along an existing rail ROW to the newly developing river district and perhaps as far as New West.

Unfortunately the Canada line is impractical to send to the north shore due to the depth of the harbour that separate the shore and downtown. Doubtful anything for the NS beyond B-Line rapidbus in the forseeable future.

Also, though the city will not admit it publicly the streetcar is dead. The ROWs will be preserved but it is not an active project as far as I understand.
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Wow. That would a) cost ten times as much in the US and b) have no contribution from the state or federal government (plus the state would steal the local transit money).

I've been wondering, what comes next in Vancouver after these (other than UBC extension)? Hastings Skytrain extension/line? Arbutus LRT? North Shore high capacity transit? 41st crosstown line?
I think you are being a bit hyperbolic.

Not to hijack the thread but by way of factual comparison, let's consider the SF Bay Area comparable to the Vancouver Metro and look at the expansion plans for BART.

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Bay Area Rapid Transit expansion

Completed projects include the extensions to Colma and Pittsburg/Bay Point (1996), Dublin/Pleasanton (1997), SFO/Milbrae (2003), the automated guideway transit spur line that connects BART to Oakland International Airport (2014),[2] and the Warm Springs extension (2017).

The Silicon Valley extension (Phase 1) is under construction from Warm Springs to the Berryessa neighborhood station in San Jose, linking BART to light rail in Santa Clara County. The Federal Transit Administration awarded $900 million for the project in 2012 (out of an estimated total cost of $2.1 billion). The extension broke ground in 2012, and had been scheduled for completion in 2016. Revenue service is expected in June 2018.

eBART
The eBART expansion plan calls for standard gauge diesel multiple unit (DMU) light rail train service to be implemented from the existing Pittsburg/Bay Point station to a Hillcrest Avenue station in Antioch, with an intermediate station at Railroad Avenue in Pittsburg. Revenue service between Pittsburg/Bay Point and Antioch is currently projected to begin in 2018.


San Jose subway extension (Phase 2)
BART will eventually terminate at Santa Clara station.
The original plan was for the extension to continue into downtown San Jose via subway. However, in February 2009, projections of lower-than-expected sales-tax receipts from the funding measures forced the Santa Clara Valley Transportation Authority to scale back the extension, ending it at the Berryessa station and delaying tunneling under downtown San Jose to a future phase of construction (making it essentially a "Phase 2" of the project). The originally-planned complete extension from Fremont to Santa Clara was projected to cost $6.1 billion . . . .

In 2004, the Federal Transit Administration decided to wait to fund the project, citing worries that BART did not have enough money to operate the extension. In addition, the San Jose extension project received a "not recommended" rating from the Federal Transit Administration placing the federal portion of the funding in jeopardy because of concerns about operation and maintenance funding.

Santa Clara County voters passed Measure B in 2008, a ⅛-cent sales tax raise. Projections by an independent consultant recommended by the Federal Transit Administration predicted that the ⅛-cent sales tax would more than cover operation and maintenance of the proposed extension.

San Jose voters passed Measure B in 2016, which allowed for final funding of the subway.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_Ar...nsit_expansion

There are numerous other unfunded expansion ideas but these are funded and either underway or soon to be. At in excess of $6.1 billion, the cost is comparable to what Vancouver is doing and nearly as dramatic with a subway tunnel under downtown San Jose. Of the total cost, the Federal government seems to be paying for $900 million and it could have been more if Santa Clara County hadn't futzed around so much. Nobody is stealing any of the local sales tax or bond funds.
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Old Posted Apr 3, 2018, 4:05 AM
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I think you are being a bit hyperbolic.

Not to hijack the thread but by way of factual comparison, let's consider the SF Bay Area comparable to the Vancouver Metro and look at the expansion plans for BART.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_Ar...nsit_expansion

There are numerous other unfunded expansion ideas but these are funded and either underway or soon to be. At in excess of $6.1 billion, the cost is comparable to what Vancouver is doing and nearly as dramatic with a subway tunnel under downtown San Jose. Of the total cost, the Federal government seems to be paying for $900 million and it could have been more if Santa Clara County hadn't futzed around so much. Nobody is stealing any of the local sales tax or bond funds.
Well I do remember when BART to San Jose was approved by voters in the year 2000 and of course it had in studied for years to come up with a serious proposal for voters. So 25-30 years in the making? Seattle has voter approval for projects going out until the 2040s. Vancouver has no 25 year horizon, just study, plan, build, fund a project in 7-8 years.
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