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Copenhagen Needs More Jane Jacobs, Says Jan Gehl

Copenhagen Needs More Jane Jacobs, Says Jan Gehl


Aug 15, 2016

By Feargus O'Sullivan

Read More: http://www.citylab.com/design/2016/0...an-gehl/495854

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Don’t believe everything you read about the influence of Jane Jacobs. When it comes to constructing new neighborhoods, her ideas are largely being ignored. So says Jan Gehl, the groundbreaking Danish architect, urbanist, and self-confessed Jacobs disciple.

- “Jane Jacobs’ ideas are widely used in the existing fabric of cities among old structures, where they are used to clean up after the automobile,” says Gehl. --- “Much has been done, but an area where this knowledge for how to make good structures for people is absent—in Copenhagen or anywhere else—is in new construction. I sometimes make a joke that if we were making a book about great new towns in the 21st century, it would be the thinnest book you’d ever seen.”

- Local voices, among them the newspaper Politiken, have noted that new development plans for the city’s South Harbor are being watered down to create an indifferent, developer-driven final product. For some time, the South Harbor has been a major construction hotspot for new homes, some of them built on former dockland brownfield sites and some on artificial islands jutting out into the harbor water.

- But while the area’s development plan started out as a model project—one section of which Gehl oversaw as an adviser—it has since been significantly diminished. According to Politiken, a theatre, sports hall and a flea market have all been dropped from the plans. --- These negative tweaks risk turning what could have been a vibrant quarter into a luxurious but life-lorn dormitory. --- “The idea of underground parking and a car-free surface, which we nicknamed ‘Little Venice,’ has been sacrificed and replaced with surface parking.

- The fine-tuned hierarchy of private, semi-private, semi-public and public spaces has also been very watered down. Instead of making a number of courtyards, there is now one very long building.” It’s the place-making failures of these buildings’ external layouts that’s the most pressing problem, according to Gehl. --- “In many of these developer-driven projects they almost don't give a damn about making a good area. They put almost everything into making a fast-selling commodity,” Gehl says.

- It’s not that Copenhagen is especially bad, Gehl insists. It’s more that it is not immune to a general sea change across the West where the quest for short-term profit is allowed to override any longer term place-making goals. In fact, Copenhagen already contains perhaps the supreme example of this trajectory in Northern Europe: the entirely new, high-income neighborhood constructed at Ørestad.

- Given Copenhagen’s international reputation, the recognition that there may be something rotten even in this urban paragon might seem dispiriting. If they can’t do it right, how can we? Gehl nonetheless sounds hopeful, pointing out how well-targeted public pressure can often succeed in re-shaping official priorities. --- Still, as Copenhageners know all too well, just because a project starts with plans to build something great, doesn’t mean that that’s what the city eventually ends up with.

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Copenhagen’s Orestad: visually striking apartments placed in a windy, unpeopled environment. (Rob Deutscher/Flickr)

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Old Posted Aug 18, 2016, 7:57 PM
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The biggest problem with these sorts of new neighbourhoods being built in cities around the world is the lot sizes. The masterplanned, block-sized buildings don't have the fine-grained, human scale of the Jacobsian streetscapes of old, and don't allow for more organic development to take hold moving forward.

They have some great architecture, but as long their built form is inherently impersonal they won't become destinations - courtyards & flea markets or not (and on the contrary, I find most of these types of areas to have too much parkland, making them feel sparse & disjointed). And that is what is holding them back, moreso than their profit-driven developers. After all, that's how most of our favourite cities were built.

The sort of utopian, centralized masterplanning that this seems to be advocating for has never been terribly successful in creating places that people actually want to be, and is in fact quite at odds with Jane Jacobs' grassroots, human-scaled approach to planning.
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Old Posted Aug 18, 2016, 10:39 PM
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My main criticism regarding the new neighbourhoods of Copenhagen is their lack of urbanity.
You feel like you are in a suburb with appartment or office buildings rather than an extension of inner city.

https://www.google.fr/maps/@55.63146...!5m1!1e2?hl=en

https://www.google.fr/maps/@55.66079...!5m1!1e2?hl=en

https://www.google.fr/maps/@55.64953...!5m1!1e2?hl=en

https://www.google.fr/maps/@55.66736...!5m1!1e2?hl=en

Streets are too wide with very few shops facing the streets. It lacks of density.
I think that if a street is not destined to be busy, you don't need to make it wide. Make narrower streets.
Wide empty streets and spaces are not urban, even if the space dedicated to car is small.

However, here it's not bad.
Streets are smaller (thanks to the waterway) and there is a contiguity between buildings.
https://www.google.fr/maps/@55.64654...!5m1!1e2?hl=en
But just accross the Teglværksløbet, it becomes bad.
https://www.google.fr/maps/@55.64987...!5m1!1e2?hl=en

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Jane Jacobs makes cities stagnating.
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