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Old Posted Jan 25, 2012, 10:14 PM
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They already run trains the full platform length (4 cars, I believe). To expand capacity they'd have to make bigger tunnels, and probably relocate the baggage handling, which is immediately next to the train. It can be done, it's just ridiculously expensive, hence the odd terminal plan. That pushes out the big costs another 20 years or so.
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Here is a daytime rendering of the new design.



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It's not light rail, though. We're really going to have to come up with a non-mode-specific brand for our system, and soon. Or else I'm just going to start calling everything a steam engine.
Certainly not light rail. The Hyundai-Rotem Silverliner V EMU's that will be used are beasts. Plently of overhead storage for luggage - perfect for an airport line really.













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They favored, for a while that east west concourse suit. But that was because they wanted to expand the airport tra. Lime half a mile south and east to the car rental facility. This would street ch the tram to capacity. However this con dot has now All but been abandoned. Therefor the masterplan I posted, is again in play.

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Most of DIA's runways will be a nice, 12,500 feet in length. When DIA opened in 1995, they had 5 runways. In recent years, DIA built a 6th runway and this new runway is a 16,000 foot long runway! This of course, will be ideal for aircraft with an ultra heavy takeoff weight -- in Denver's slightly thinner atmosphere layer -- where a little additional speed is required to generate sufficient lift. This will come in handy for planes such as A380s and any future, yet to be designed, super-jumbo jets.

With DIA's current 6 non-intersecting runways, they can have 4 different aircraft taking off and/or landing, simuletantiously, in zero visibility conditions. As just mentioned, they need the 7th runway to be constructed now and it is being planned as part of the second phase of expansion for this decade, after the South Terminal/rail station/hotel under construction now.

The large number of long, non-intersecting runways, allows DIA to operate most efficiently, in most weather conditions. This is why it is the best performing, of all cold weather airports and useally better performing than most warm weather airports, in the USA.

Here's a short summary from the DIA Materplan:







Note: On this one, you can see the South Terminal and Rail Station/Hotel Expansion, which is currently underway.
Will they start construction more concourse extension or additional more new gate space, too. I'm sure it will take a time to start construction to additional more new gates. WN will have own gates space at entire concourse C. If DEN will expanded more new concourse D or E gates. If there is enough more demand passengers. They will able start constructed new concourse D.
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Two things amuse me:
--That's a hell of a lot of runways! My city can operate two only. Even that cost a billion dollars for expansion, so that the two would be far enough apart to operate on instruments only. How can six(!) not be enough?
--Is there an airport, seaport, office building, or retail building in the world that isn't "strategically located at the center of ____"?
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Being in the center of the US is not a good thing when it comes to international travel. A coastal location is far more favorable for connection reasons - nobody has to backtrack.

Southwest and Frontier having hubs in Denver also does not help. The competition is driving yields down and is putting pressure on United, which is Denvers best and pretty much only bet for new international service. Although I think I did hear something about ANA flying to DEN (from Tokyo) with the 787, which wouldn't surprise me since ANA is a Star Alliance partner of United.

So Denver will never be a big international gateway, which is a shame because of how modern and efficient it is. But it will remain a big player for the domestic market.
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Being in the center of the US is not a good thing when it comes to international travel. A coastal location is far more favorable for connection reasons - nobody has to backtrack.

Southwest and Frontier having hubs in Denver also does not help. The competition is driving yields down and is putting pressure on United, which is Denvers best and pretty much only bet for new international service. Although I think I did hear something about ANA flying to DEN (from Tokyo) with the 787, which wouldn't surprise me since ANA is a Star Alliance partner of United.

So Denver will never be a big international gateway, which is a shame because of how modern and efficient it is. But it will remain a big player for the domestic market.
what do you mean "backtrack"?
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what do you mean "backtrack"?
If you live in California, you have to backtrack to get to Denver in order to fly transpacific. If you live in Illinois, you have to backtrack to Denver in order to fly transatlantic. All of the major airlines have hubs on each coast. So westbound United would route them through SFO, eastbound United would route them through EWR. Denver is also not in a good position for South American flights either. That just leaves DEN as a domestic hub with few international routes.

Phoenix and Salt Lake City are in a similar situation.

I'm not bashing DEN or anything, just thought it was funny they were advertising DEN as being strategically located.
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You use the word, "never." However, part of Denver International Airport's masterplan, is based on the concept that most modern USA airports today, are already over capacity and spending extremely large and inefiicient amounts of money, simply for minimal capacity expansions. So where will US airport capacity be in 50 years time? DEN can keep expanding and do so, far more cheaply. The idea is that, one day DIA will become a major International hub, simply because it can and other airports can't handle the traffic.

Even more interesting, Front Range Airport, just a few miles south of Denver International, is going to become a space port. It would be the first and so far only such proposed space port in the USA, to be in close proximity to a major International Airport. The concept is that, space planes will land at Front Range Space Port, then the passengers will transfer to Denver International, to fly domestically to their city destination. Or that passengers will fly into Denver International from around the country, then transfer to Front Range Space Port and take their space plane to their international destination.

For more on why a 6th Runway was built and why more will be built. Well put simply, it saves the national aviation system a lot of money; in the billions.
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Runway assures efficiency, access to new international routes

Denver International Airport’s (DIA) sixth runway was put into service in September 2003, making one of the nation’s most efficient airports even better. The new runway is 16,000 feet long (4,870 meters) and 200 feet wide, making it the longest commercial runway in North America. It is also 4,000 feet longer than any of DIA’s other runways, which are all 12,000 feet (3,580 meters) in length.

This extra distance gives fully loaded jumbo jets additional length to take off in Denver’s altitude during summer months, thereby providing unrestricted access from Metro Denver to destinations around the world. The new runway is also able to accommodate the new generation of massive airlines, including the Airbus A-380.

In addition, the runway balances DIA’s airfield. During normal weather conditions, aircraft is able to depart using the two north/south runways on the west side of the airfield and arrive using the two north/south runways on the east side of the airfield. This makes for short aircraft taxis and quick turnarounds which improve the efficiency for airlines operating at DIA.

The runway was constructed at a cost of $166 million; three-quarters of which was funded by the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA). It is estimated that the new runway will save the national aviation system an estimated $1 billion over the life of the runway.

Sixth Runway Profile
The runway structure is approximately nine feet thick, consisting of (bottom to top) six feet of select subgrade, 12 inches of lime-treated subgrade, eight inches of cement-treated base and 17 inches of concrete.

The runway project required moving 216 million cubic feet of dirt.

The 900,000 square yards of 17-inch-thick concrete required for the runway is enough to build a sidewalk from Denver to New York City.

The project required 300 miles of electrical cable and 100 miles of PVC pipe.

Due to the curvature of the earth, a person standing at one end of the runway cannot see an aircraft getting ready for takeoff at the other end.

The 34L/16R designation derives from the runway’s north/south compass points; it is paired with the existing 34R/16L, and it is DIA’s fourth north/south runway.

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International Scheduled Flights

Origin
Destination
Carier


DEN
YYC Calgary AB, Canada CA
Aeromaritime

DEN
YUL Montreal, Canada CA
Air Canada

DEN
YYZ Toronto, Canada CA
Air Canada

DEN
LHR London England, United Kingdom GB
British Airways Plc

DEN
MEX Mexico City Distrito Federal, Mexico MX
Compania Mexicana De Aviaci

DEN
ACA Acapulco Guerrero, Mexico MX
Frontier Airlines

DEN
CUN Cancun Quintana Roo, Mexico MX
Frontier Airlines

DEN
CZM Cozumel Quintana Roo, Mexico MX
Frontier Airlines

DEN
GDL Guadalajara Jalisco, Mexico MX
Frontier Airlines

DEN
MZT Mazatlan Sinaloa, Mexico MX
Frontier Airlines

DEN
PVR Puerto Vallarta Jalisco, Mexico MX
Frontier Airlines

DEN
SJD Los Cabos Baja California Sur, Mexico MX
Frontier Airlines

DEN
ZIH Ixtapa-Zihuatanejo Guerrero, Mexico MX
Frontier Airlines

DEN
YYC Calgary AB, Canada CA
Horizon Air

DEN
FRA Frankfurt Am Main, Germany DE
Lufthansa German Airlines

DEN
MUC Munich, Germany DE
Lufthansa German Airlines

DEN
YYZ Toronto, Canada CA
Shuttle America

DEN
CUN Cancun Quintana Roo, Mexico MX
United Air Lines, Inc.

DEN
PVR Puerto Vallarta Jalisco, Mexico MX
United Air Lines, Inc.

DEN
SJD Los Cabos Baja California Sur, Mexico MX
United Air Lines, Inc.

DEN
YVR Vancouver BC, Canada CA
United Air Lines, Inc.

DEN
YYC Calgary AB, Canada CA
United Air Lines, Inc.

DEN
ZIH Ixtapa-Zihuatanejo Guerrero, Mexico MX
United Air Lines, Inc.

DEN
MEX Mexico City Distrito Federal, Mexico MX
United Airlines

DEN
YEG Edmonton International AB, Canada CA
United Airlines

DEN
YWG Winnipeg MB, Canada CA
United Airlines

DEN
YEG Edmonton International AB, Canada CA
Unknown

DEN
YWG Winnipeg MB, Canada CA
Unknown

DEN
YYC Calgary AB, Canada CA
Unknown

International Charter Flights

Departing
Destination
Airline Carrier



DEN
CUN Cancun Quintana Roo, Mexico MX
Aeromexico

DEN
MEX Mexico City Distrito Federal, Mexico MX
Aeromexico

DEN
MTY Monterrey Nuevo Leon, Mexico MX
Aeromexico

DEN
YVR Vancouver BC, Canada CA
Air Canada

DEN
YYC Calgary AB, Canada CA
Air Canada

DEN
LGW London England, United Kingdom GB
Britannia Airways Ltd.

DEN
CUN Cancun Quintana Roo, Mexico MX
Champion Air

DEN
CZM Cozumel Quintana Roo, Mexico MX
Champion Air

DEN
HUX Huatulco Oaxaca, Mexico MX
Frontier Airlines

DEN
CUN Cancun Quintana Roo, Mexico MX
Miami Air International

There is over 39 international flights from DEN airport.

Denver International does need more International flights. Here is the current total, plus this spring Icelandair will begin several non-stops to DEN. Icelandic Air serves Europe fairly extensivly from their Reykjavik hub. It will be year-around service between Reykjavik and Denver, four times per week. And just last month, Icelandic Air and Frontier Airlines announced a partnership, connecting Frontier's 500 daily demestic flights to Icelandair's Europe connections and European travelers using Icelandair to Frontier''s North American and Central American routes.

Denver is also aggresively persuing Denver-Tokyo non-stop service through ANA, who is also in such a partnership with United Airlines. Such a service was once thought to be ideal for the new 787, however, new studies done by DIA have shown it could be more profitable if the 777 was used, but either the 787 or 777 would be a finacially viable route for ANA.

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DENVER, CO — September 14, 2011 — Today Denver Mayor Michael B. Hancock and Denver International Airport (DIA) announced that Icelandair will begin year-round, nonstop service from Denver to Reykjavik in May 2012. The new service will connect the Mile High City to more than 20 destinations in Scandinavia, the United Kingdom and Europe and is expected to bring more than $28 million in annual economic impact to the state. Icelandair is the first new carrier to initiate transatlantic service at DIA in more than 10 years.

“I’m looking forward to the relationship between the City and County of Denver and Icelandair, and to personally welcoming the first flight from Reykjavik,” said Denver Mayor Michael B. Hancock. “This flight will allow us to continue to bring new global opportunities to our state and to stimulate growth in our economy. It will also open our doors to new markets and allow our business and leisure travelers to enjoy an easy one-stop connection to Scandinavia, the U.K. and Europe.”
“We are elated to have been chosen as Icelandair’s newest North American market,” said DIA Aviation Manager Kim Day. “As the fifth-busiest airport in the United States, DIA serves more than 160 destinations nonstop, providing incredible access to international travelers. Visitors from Iceland will discover a world of adventure in and around Denver, as well as points beyond.”
“We were thrilled to choose Denver from a short-list of potential new gateway cities, as we feel it is a natural fit for Icelandair,” said Birkir Holm Gudnasson, CEO of Icelandair. “Denverites will love the nature, lifestyle and culture of Iceland, while Icelanders will feel at home with the landscape, active lifestyle and independent philosophy in Denver.”

Beginning May 11, 2012, Icelandair will operate four nonstop flights per week from DIA. The airline’s fleet of Boeing 757 aircraft will provide convenient access to Europe through its Reykjavik hub at Keflavik International Airport. The route will give travelers direct access to Iceland as well as connection points to London, Paris, Munich, Amsterdam, Copenhagen, Manchester and Glasgow, among other cities. Denver is the ninth North American city to be served by Icelandair.

“Savvy travelers of Denver will now have a fresh alternative when traveling to Europe. Icelandair is happy to enter this city with competitive airfares and convenient routes to Iceland and onward,” said Thorsteinn Egilsson, general manger of Icelandair, The Americas.

“DIA is Colorado’s gateway to the world and a $22 billion economic engine for the state,” said Colorado Governor John Hickenlooper. “Icelandair’s service to Denver will create jobs in Colorado and bring new global opportunities to the entire region.”

Europe ranks as Denver’s largest international market, accounting for one-third of DIA’s international origination and destination travel. Even with daily flights to London (British Airways) and Frankfurt (Lufthansa Airlines), Denver has been underserved in transatlantic access. The new air service is expected to bring nearly 300 jobs to Colorado, including 33 direct jobs, generating an estimated $9 million in wages and more than $19 million in tourism spending. Visit Denver, the Metro Denver Economic Development Corporation, the State of Colorado, the Colorado Tourism Office and Colorado Ski Country USA have all committed to supporting the new initiative through marketing dollars and other means.

“Tourism is one of the region’s biggest potential growth markets and is already Denver’s second-largest industry, generating $3 billion in annual spending while supporting 50,000 jobs,” said Richard Scharf, president and CEO of Visit Denver. “A new nonstop, transatlantic flight is a huge selling factor for Denver. In recent years, the convention industry has seen its largest growth come from international attendees. Making Colorado easily accessible to visitors from Scandinavia, Europe and the U.K. will attract large international conventions and open the region to new opportunities.”

“We always believed that a third carrier out of Denver could serve northern Europe and Scandinavia, where business
synergies have increased over the last several years,” said Tom Clark, executive vice president of the Metro Denver Economic Development Corporation. “The addition of Icelandair as our newest carrier affirms the confidence that northern Europe has in the metro Denver and Colorado markets.”

“Attracting international guests to visit Colorado’s world-class ski resorts has been a long-standing priority of Colorado Ski Country USA,” said Melanie Mills, president and CEO of Colorado Ski Country USA. “The Icelandair service will really enhance the options for Colorado-bound skiers from Scandanavia, Europe and Iceland, helping to make Colorado an even more attractive winter holiday destination. Skiers will help to balance out the seasonality in traffic from these markets. We are proud to have worked in partnership with our business friends in Denver to attract Icelandair.”

Additional information about Icelandair routes, fares and travel packages are available on the airline’s website, www.icelandair.us.

Denver International Airport is the 10th-busiest airport in the world and the fifth-busiest airport in the United States. With nearly 52 million passengers traveling through the airport each year, DIA is one of the busiest airline hubs in the world’s largest aviation market. DIA is the primary economic engine of the state of Colorado, generating more than $22 billion for the region annually. For more information, visit www.flydenver.com. Check out the Airport's YouTube channel by visiting http://www.youtube.com/user/DenversAirport and become our fan on www.facebook.com/denverinternationalairport.
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...From its hub in the country's capital, the airline serves more than 20 cities in the United Kingdom and continental Europe, and the Denver service is expected to provide low-cost options for U.S. passengers flying to Europe...

Thorsteinn Egilsson, general manager of Icelandair for the Americas, said DIA passengers now can take advantage of special promotional fares as low as $729 round trip for flights between Denver and destinations in the U.K. and on the European continent — with the one stop in Reykjavik.

For those who want to vacation in Iceland, the airline is offering fares between Denver and Reykjavik as low as $489 round trip, Egilsson said. Tourism packages that include round-trip airfare, two hotel nights and tours of the island are priced as low as $679, he added.


Read more: Icelandair to begin flying nonstop to Iceland from DIA in 2012 - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/business/c...#ixzz1kqPKdzRt
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Frontier Airlines announced last week that it has entered a partnership with the Icelandic airline Icelandair, for flights to Iceland, Scandinavia, and Europe.

Now, Frontier Airlines customers can take advantage of Icelandair’s extensive network across Scandinavia and Europe. Furthermore, Icelandair customers can also buy tickets to the dozens of U.S. destinations that Frontier Airlines offers.

The U.S. carrier offers 500 daily flights to 80 destinations in the U.S., Mexico and Canada from Denver and other major cities such as Milwaukee and Kansas City. The partnership will take full effect when Icelandair begins its flight service to Denver in May 2012.

The Iceland airline already offers flights from its main hub, Keflavik International Airport, in Iceland to the U.S. and Canadian cities Boston, New York, Seattle, Washington, Minneapolis, Orlando, Toronto, and Halifax; Denver service begins in spring 2012.
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You're putting lipstick on a pig. DIA's international offerings suck, plain and simple. Whether international route demand will outstrip available supply at coastal airports in 50 years, forcing airlines to DIA, is purely a matter of speculation. Personally, I think coastal airports will find a way to make it work long before they cede the intercontinental flights. Pretty sure Los Angeles will drop a daily flight or two to Spokane, Reno, or Tulsa long before they pass on Shanghai. Make the Fargo crowd fly through Denver, keep Beijing in San Fran; that's what I'd do if I was United.
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You're putting lipstick on a pig. DIA's international offerings suck, plain and simple. Whether international route demand will outstrip available supply at coastal airports in 50 years, forcing airlines to DIA, is purely a matter of speculation. Personally, I think coastal airports will find a way to make it work long before they cede the intercontinental flights. Pretty sure Los Angeles will drop a daily flight or two to Spokane, Reno, or Tulsa long before they pass on Shanghai. Make the Fargo crowd fly through Denver, keep Beijing in San Fran; that's what I'd do if I was United.
I mostly agree with this, but I'd point out that AIRLINES make route decisions, not airports, and that they do so on the basis of dollars and cents, not prestige. Cities like NY and Los Angeles will always have plenty of international flights because of their strong O&D traffic, but there is an opportunity for Denver and other airports with lots of capacity to steal passengers than in the past might have connected through LA or NY on their way to Europe or Asia. The 787, a smaller, longer distance airplane makes the economics possible. Those flights Los Angeles drops and Denver takes to Spokane, Reno and Tulsa can help give Denver the volume to support more international flights.
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I don't think I was putting lip stick on DIA's international offerings. I was saying DIA needs to add more international routes and that I don't think it will be nearly as impossible in the coming decades, as many have been assuming on here.

I agree with Octavian, Denver's broad reaching domestic and North American routes, do provide a volumn to support international routes. The current volumn DIA currently has under-served international volumn. Denver is underserved with non-stops to Europe, Asia and South America.

In todays volumn, DIA could support 1-3 Asian routes, 2-3 more European routes and 1-2 South American Routes, plus 1-3 more Central American/Carribean routes. DIA will have 40 international routes once Icelandair starts service this spring. I'd say DIA could support 45 International routes today, so as of today, it's slightly under-served.

I'd estimate that 10 years from now, DIA will be handling 57-60 million passengers per year. I'd be willing to bet by 2022, DIA could be serving 10 additional international route destinations, than today. That's just the 5 or so route destinations it's under-served by today, plus 5 new routes which will become viable over the next decade. Plus added capacity to existing international destinations should add another 5 routes over the next decade, for a total of 55 international routes by 2022. I don't think DIA will exceed this over the next decade, but I'd be surprised if they don't grow to at least 50+ international routes, over this time.

Ok, so how about from 2022 to 2032? DIA could easily grow to over 65 million passengers per year, perhaps even closer to 68 million. It could realistically be serving 65-75 International routes by 2032. So what I'm saying, DIA may not become a major International hub, but it could slowly, over time, grow into a substantial International sub-hub and should continue to grow as a top domestic hub (currently ranked 5th in US, could crack top 3 in next 20-30 years).
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The only way I see Denver growing as an international hub is by connecting Asia-bound flights from the east coast or Europe-bound flights from the west coast. Perhaps, Latin American-bound Flights would make sense when connecting from the Pacific Northwest but, I don't see DFW, Houston, Atlanta, or Orlando having the same growth constrictions as LAX, SFO, or JFK. Still, this seems likely only if or when the current coastal hubs reach capacity or expand and pass on too much of the cost of expansion to the airlines.
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Other cities should be able to expand capacity ok, though Denver does have a good point on cost.

In 50 years we might be taking off vertically. Or we might have planes a lot closer together.

Every city has other airports. One option is to put the commuter routes away from the main airport(s), ideally connected by train or shuttle bus. That would free a lot of runway slots. That's already happening in some cities.

If we can build more rail, that can pick up some of the demand on the short-distance frequent routes that clog airports. Either way, priority can be given to larger planes, maybe via the fee structure.

Maybe we'll travel less anyway. Fuel costs and teleconferencing might be plenty for that, even a few years from now.
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I think when most of us here are referring to international destinations, we really mean excluding North America. Any second tier airport can get flights to Canada or Mexico. We're (or at least I) referring to long haul international flights. Currently, Denver only has 2 of those - London and Frankfurt.

Really the only new potential long haul international destinations are Tokyo and Dubai.

Tokyo is probably going to happen relatively soon when ANA get their hands on some more 787s. ANA is a Star Alliance member along with United so the connections will be there on both ends for the route to work.

Dubai is a long shot but Emirates has a gigantic backlog of widebody aircraft that they have to send somewhere. So maybe by 2020.

Anything more than those 2 would likely depend on United building up Denver more, which has about no chance of happening since they are getting killed by Southwest and Frontier. I actually suspect the opposite will happen, with United moving capacity from DEN to newly acquired IAH to escape the LCC bloodbath.
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Yes, it really is about overseas.

The Denver Chamber probably doesn't care how many tourist shuttles head to Mexico (realizing that it's not all tourism). And Canada is basically another 10 states. The Denver Chamber and City want connections around NA, but they ought to be intensely focused on being global, for potential business connections, for outbound tourists (a quality of life point), and for inbound tourism.
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They are focused on this. Business leaders throughout Denver are helping to attract more International Routes. They have Vesta, Devita, Arrow and others, all pushing for airlines to expand international service from Denver. Then of course, Colorado's enormous ski industry is also pushing for this. In fact, Colorado's ski industry can help justify more international routes, especially when coupled with the growing global economic importance of the greater Denver region and the huge domestic connections the airport offers. Pasengers from Asia, could just as easily transfer at DIA for eastcoast destinations, as they could at LAX or other West Coast airports. Eupropean travelers can just as easily transfer at DIA for West Coast destinations, as they could at East Coast airports. And this basically expludes the entire south and midwest, and the hundreds of other NA destinations which can be connected through DIA. It's just a matter of time and airlines making the shift. DIA will never dominate over coastal airports, but it can certainly grow substantially, it's international routes and they fully plan to make this happen.
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We'll see. So far we haven't exactly done well. If skiing was a major factor, you'd think we could have held on to Munich. And business leaders have been trying for a decade to lure Tokyo with no results. The fundamentals aren't there. We can only hope they will be better in the future. But it's far from a certainty.
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I think the last decade was more about growing DIA's domestic capacity, to a tipping point. I don't expect this decade to be the same as last.
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