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Old Posted Jan 30, 2018, 8:52 PM
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Yup, the "so-called" experts. I agree that Eddie Lampert is out of touch with reality, but when he took over in 2013, Sears was already deteriorating and on a downward spiral...
He took over as CEO in 2013, yes, but if you don't think he's had an active hand in the management of Sears since the Sears-Kmart merger in 2005, you're fooling yourself. Look at the revolving succession of yes-men he had as CEOs in Sears Canada. The only one who's earned any criticism from Lampert is the one who tried (and failed) to stop Sears Canada from going under.

Try looking at this through a different lens. I'm not absolving Sears of any guilt as many of their problems were decades in the making. However, when you look at 13 years under his hand, if he's such a smart retailer, why isn't Sears back on top?

I'd advise you to stop confusing smart retailer with smart hedge-fund manager. He's doing exactly what he set out to do when he bought Sears. Lampert is a corporate raider and Sears was an easy mark.
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yeah i read a great article about him and whats hes doing. One thing he did was sell off sears properties to a company that he set up and owns and then leases the stores to sears that go back to that company he set up. Whatever happens to sears in the states he will walk away with money.
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He took over as CEO in 2013, yes, but if you don't think he's had an active hand in the management of Sears since the Sears-Kmart merger in 2005, you're fooling yourself. Look at the revolving succession of yes-men he had as CEOs in Sears Canada. The only one who's earned any criticism from Lampert is the one who tried (and failed) to stop Sears Canada from going under.

Try looking at this through a different lens. I'm not absolving Sears of any guilt as many of their problems were decades in the making. However, when you look at 13 years under his hand, if he's such a smart retailer, why isn't Sears back on top?

I'd advise you to stop confusing smart retailer with smart hedge-fund manager. He's doing exactly what he set out to do when he bought Sears. Lampert is a corporate raider and Sears was an easy mark.
I think the polite way of saying it is "Unlock shareholder value."
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Old Posted Jan 30, 2018, 9:05 PM
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I think the polite way of saying it is "Unlock shareholder value."
And it's a total coincidence he's the primary shareholder.
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Another good read on how our City is destroying small retail businesses. I think the City should review and change City policies to allow more businesses to grow, and at the same time give retailers discounted taxes or tax breaks.

http://www.metronews.ca/news/vancouv...retailers.html


Another year, another tax shock for small Vancouver retailers

In 2017, a huge spike in property values rocked the city's local businesses. Don't expect a reprieve this year, experts warn.

The owners of Chocolate Mousse, a kitchenware shop that had operated for 33 years, announced they would be closing their business because of a huge property tax increase.

By: Jen St Denis Metro Published on Mon Jan 01 2018
A slow-motion emergency for community retail in Vancouver will continue this year if city council doesn’t move quickly, say two small-business advocates.

BC Assessment will release property value assessments for 2018 this week. In 2017, most commercial properties in Vancouver experienced a whopping 40 to 300 per cent increase. Don’t expect a reprieve in 2018, said Paul Sullivan, a partner with appraisal firm Burgess Cawley Sullivan.

Sullivan expects another 30 per cent increase, while downtown properties can expect a 100 per cent jump. Small business owners often shoulder the bulk of rising taxes because most pay property tax directly through their leases.

In the last month of 2017, one West End business provided a grim example of this effect: the owners of Chocolate Mousse, a kitchenware store near Robson and Cardero, announced they would be closing after 33 years because their tax bill nearly doubled to $130,000 — exceeding their rent.

Over the Christmas season, owners Jane and Karen Tennant left a poignant message with a window display showing their miniature storefront floating on heavenly clouds surrounded by angels, the question “Christmas future?” and on the floor, a pile of Monopoly money.

The owners of Chocolate Mousse, a kitchenware store in Vancouver's West End, created this window display after announcing they would have to close their store following a huge increase in property tax.

“Merchants are not hiring new staff, in fact they’re laying staff off,” Sullivan said. “They’re going out of business at a far more rapid pace than they used to. The churn of tenants going through premises is increasing as people are unable to financially survive the increased cost.”

Stephen Regan, executive director of the West End Business Improvement Area, echoed that warning. Certain portions of Robson Street and Davie Street saw a huge spike in property value because of a relatively new community plan that rezoned those areas to allow for residential development. Regan is expecting another increase of around 25 per cent this year. He recalled when an increase of 10 per cent was considered onerously high; that now seems “quaint,” he said.

The city and BC Assessment have offered tools to ease the blow of rising property values, but Sullivan and Regan said there’s a big problem with how those policies were rolled out that will come to a head this year if it’s not addressed.

One such policy is three-year averaging — it averages out the building value over three years and bring down the tax increase to a manageable level.

Then there’s another tool known as split assessment: in the past, properties that could be redeveloped into residential buildings were often assessed with the unbuilt density factored in, but all at the higher commercial tax rate. BC Assessment has now begun to assess that unbuilt potential with a combination of the lower residential tax rate and higher commercial rate, which also eases the tax burden for businesses.

But businesses owners who qualify for three-year averaging don’t qualify for split assessments, Sullivan said. And because of the extraordinary increase in 2017 and ongoing rise in 2018, three-year averaging will become much less effective this year.

“It’s going to be devastating for the level of taxation for small businesses in the West End,” Sullivan predicted, adding that other neighbourhoods are also affected.

Sullivan and Regan are calling on the city to allow some businesses to qualify both for three year averaging and split assessments, and to extend three-year averaging to five years. So far, Sullivan said, the response from city council has been slow.

While city planners recently began consultations on how to help “legacy businesses” in Vancouver’s historic Chinatown, Sullivan said it’s not just Chinatown that needs help: it’s every neighbourhood business district across the city.

“There are other things affecting retail, like online shopping, but taxation is something we can do something about,” Sullivan said.
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Old Posted Jan 30, 2018, 10:07 PM
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He took over as CEO in 2013, yes, but if you don't think he's had an active hand in the management of Sears since the Sears-Kmart merger in 2005, you're fooling yourself. Look at the revolving succession of yes-men he had as CEOs in Sears Canada. The only one who's earned any criticism from Lampert is the one who tried (and failed) to stop Sears Canada from going under.

Try looking at this through a different lens. I'm not absolving Sears of any guilt as many of their problems were decades in the making. However, when you look at 13 years under his hand, if he's such a smart retailer, why isn't Sears back on top?

I'd advise you to stop confusing smart retailer with smart hedge-fund manager. He's doing exactly what he set out to do when he bought Sears. Lampert is a corporate raider and Sears was an easy mark.
Thank you. You just proved my point that experts don't necessarily work in the industry. In this case, Lampert was just out there to make the dough for himself rather than ensuring the success of the business or the satisfaction of its customer base.
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As much as I have issues with Vision, they are not to blame for the tax increases small businesses in some areas are seeing. The assessments are done by BC assessments and reflect market rates. Bringing in averaging could soften the blow but at the end of the day the rates would still be what they are and in the meantime all taxpayers would need to pay more for the loss of revenue. This has always happened and not just in commercial real estate, residential works the same, if you find yourself in a suddenly hot area your increases are going to be large.
Funny how you don't see them quote the areas where due to high vacancies actually saw their tax burden lowered.
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Another good read on how our City is destroying small retail businesses. I think the City should review and change City policies to allow more businesses to grow, and at the same time give retailers discounted taxes or tax breaks.
This has been an issue for years and is more compacted by these extremely high property values. The city refuses to do anything about it let alone even address the issue. Gregor was asked about what he would don about the increasing burden of property taxes on small business several times during the election and said nothing. This issue is a non starter as many businesses are owned by individuals who do not live in vancouver (let along afford to live in vancouver) therefore it doesn't command votes.
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Old Posted Jan 30, 2018, 10:36 PM
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Thank you. You just proved my point that experts don't necessarily work in the industry. In this case, Lampert was just out there to make the dough for himself rather than ensuring the success of the business or the satisfaction of its customer base.
Lampert is an expert, he did exactly what he was brought in to do. Everyone watching saw the writing on the wall. Sears certainly won't be the last retail company to take that route unfortunately.
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Lampert is an expert, he did exactly what he was brought in to do. Everyone watching saw the writing on the wall. Sears certainly won't be the last retail company to take that route unfortunately.
Retailers come and go, business is never static, especially fashion. Lampert saw a dying dinosaur with a lot of intrinsic real estate value and nabbed it up for less than it was worth at the time, surgically dismantled it and made a damn fortune.

Callling Eddie Lampert a "so called expert" and thinking he is out of touch with reality when he is a self made billionaire is honestly so arrogant I can't even fathom how little you need to know about the business world to make a statement like that. It's almost comical.

Sears as a retailer was DOA when he bought it.

Ironic because it was a casualty of a mall era that doesn't really exist anymore. some people just have a tough time seeing the signs of the times, or are purposefully blind to them.
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Retailers come and go, business is never static, especially fashion. Lampert saw a dying dinosaur with a lot of intrinsic real estate value and nabbed it up for less than it was worth at the time, surgically dismantled it and made a damn fortune.

Sears as a retailer was DOA when he bought it.

Ironic because it was a casualty of a mall era that doesn't really exist anymore. some people just have a tough time seeing the signs of the times, or are purposefully blind to them.
Huh? I was at park royal at Simons and it was extremely busy, with lots of people actually buying things, so was the mall! Then I read what you post and there is a disconnect
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Huh? I was at park royal at Simons and it was extremely busy, with lots of people actually buying things, so was the mall! Then I read what you post and there is a disconnect
Sears never adapted to the new mall: experiential retail, fashion forward and smaller format stores.

Simons get's it. They are their design is on point, their stores lean toward the experiential and they have manageable store sizes.

They, along with stores like Nordstrom, are the anchors of the future. Leaner, nimble and always fashionable.
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Sears never adapted to the new mall: experiential retail, fashion forward and smaller format stores.

Simons get's it. They are their design is on point, their stores lean toward the experiential and they have manageable store sizes.

They, along with stores like Nordstrom, are the anchors of the future. Leaner, nimble and always fashionable.
I would look at it different. Nordstrom, and Simons are trying to be experts in fashion. That not Sears and it never was Sears.

Sears was the Amazon of the past 100 years. The place you go to by every day cloth, a vacuum cleaner, those little metal brackets in a chain length fence, a hand mixer etc. It worked at putting the little mom and pop retailers out of business by having everything at a low price.

It could have transformed its catalogue business into what Amazon is today. However it missed the mark.

Eddie Lampert found value in the property, solid it off. He found value in the credit card business and sold that off. He probably would have been more than happy to sell off the retail business if anyone wanted it. The problem is no one wanted it and without being subsidised internally by the other operations it had no value and all the labour pension liability.
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He also sold off a lot of the sears in house brands, which is or was what they were known for, for many years. So something of a Sears legacy will continue on.

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New York is having a similiar problem to Vancouver where the rents increase and push out the mom and pop stores, they increase the rent in hopes of bringing in a bigger brand, but even those are apparently closing down leaving a lot of empty store fronts.

I think a lot of it can be blamed on people buying up properties as investments cause they are just parking their money and don't really need to have it rented out.
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I would look at it different. Nordstrom, and Simons are trying to be experts in fashion. That not Sears and it never was Sears.
Agreed.

Sears always had its base in the suburbs.

Remember when it opened a downtown Vancouver store at Harbour Centre?
Harbour Centre opened in 1977 and the Sears closed in 1987.

Granted, Hastings was going into decline during the period (the traditional shopping strip being between Woodward's and the former Spencers/Eatons/Sears), but it couldn't make a go of it at the north end of Granville Mall.

Sears tried again when it took over Eaton's in 1999(?).
That didn't turn out well either.
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Lampert is an expert, he did exactly what he was brought in to do. Everyone watching saw the writing on the wall. Sears certainly won't be the last retail company to take that route unfortunately.
Exactly. We are talking about how the so-called "experts" are doing nothing, and indeed bringing down the potential of the retail industry. Just like Lampert, City of Vancouver planners are also creating an environment for retail businesses to fail, be it restrictive policies, insufficient support for small businesses, etc. Now we are seeing better and better retail potentials moving to other cities around Vancouver. Downtown businesses are shutting, and yet CoV is still sticking to the preference of having retail on the streets, and not looking at other venues to prop up businesses. The only bright spot I see now is the Oakridge mall redevelopment when finally a new town centre is going to be created. Vancouver is forever a step behind others.
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Agreed.

Sears always had its base in the suburbs.

Remember when it opened a downtown Vancouver store at Harbour Centre?
Harbour Centre opened in 1977 and the Sears closed in 1987.

Granted, Hastings was going into decline during the period (the traditional shopping strip being between Woodward's and the former Spencers/Eatons/Sears), but it couldn't make a go of it at the north end of Granville Mall.

Sears tried again when it took over Eaton's in 1999(?).
That didn't turn out well either.
Or you can see it this way: Nordstrom and Simons are changing with the times and forever improving, but Sears did not. The older Nordstrom stores in the States look just like Sears! At least when they opened the Vancouver store, they improved everything, and the result is that the new store looks and feels more inviting than Vancouver's luxury staple: Holt Renfrew, forcing the latter to upgrade too.
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As much as I have issues with Vision, they are not to blame for the tax increases small businesses in some areas are seeing. The assessments are done by BC assessments and reflect market rates. Bringing in averaging could soften the blow but at the end of the day the rates would still be what they are and in the meantime all taxpayers would need to pay more for the loss of revenue. This has always happened and not just in commercial real estate, residential works the same, if you find yourself in a suddenly hot area your increases are going to be large.
Funny how you don't see them quote the areas where due to high vacancies actually saw their tax burden lowered.
To be fair to Vin, when first elected Vision Vancouver promised to shift more of the tax burden from businesses to residents. They later chickened out.

Vancouver has one of worst skews between residential and business property taxes. Residents should be paying more, especially single family homes which are now worth so much. Rampant property speculation is also driving up land value and taxes for businesses.
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Or you can see it this way: Nordstrom and Simons are changing with the times and forever improving, but Sears did not. The older Nordstrom stores in the States look just like Sears! At least when they opened the Vancouver store, they improved everything, and the result is that the new store looks and feels more inviting than Vancouver's luxury staple: Holt Renfrew, forcing the latter to upgrade too.
Yeah, but Sears was never a "fashion" store.

Woodward's and Eaton's were also "generalist" department stores that tried to go upmarket with an emphasis on fashion and both failed during different economic periods. Woodward's in the early 1990s, Eaton's in the late 1990s.

They tried to "change with the times" but ended up alienating their core customer base who would not pay the higher prices.
Eaton's dumbest move was "everyday low pricing" (i.e. no sales) - before changing strategies and trying to go upmarket.
Even the current changes at Hudson's Bay have been careful to maintain appeal at lower price points with frequent sales.

I think it has been commented that the current success of higher end stores (Nordstrom and Holts) in Vancouver is due to the tourist market (from China), and tourists aren't coming to Vancouver to shop at a Sears.
I guess Woodward's and Eaton's failed before the development / rise of that tourist market.
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Wow you just don't get it. Leftcoaster works in the industry as do I and numerous others on this board. There is not the demand for retail downtown otherwise CF would've kept the space as retail. Retails draws higher lease rates then office space does. It's the same reason Westbank converted spaced at Telus gardens from retail (original plan) to office space. There were no takers for the space. The few tenants that are looking for space are very particular and none of them are looking for space off street level.
Brentwood will not be quite the success you believe it to be. Outside of a few key tenants given sweetheart deals to get them into the space it will be a long and hard sell for them to fill the mall. Heck Oakridge is hesitant about it's retail expansion, but what the heck do we know, we should have hired you to sign up tenants for us. Can you fill waterfront centre, bentall, royal centre and sinclair centre with some better quality tenants first to show us how easy it is. Thanks.
Yeah, your answer can be found here: Oakridge just decided to make the mall even bigger!

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Yeah, but Sears was never a "fashion" store.

Woodward's and Eaton's were also "generalist" department stores that tried to go upmarket with an emphasis on fashion and both failed during different economic periods. Woodward's in the early 1990s, Eaton's in the late 1990s.

They tried to "change with the times" but ended up alienating their core customer base who would not pay the higher prices.
Eaton's dumbest move was "everyday low pricing" (i.e. no sales) - before changing strategies and trying to go upmarket.
Even the current changes at Hudson's Bay have been careful to maintain appeal at lower price points with frequent sales.

I think it has been commented that the current success of higher end stores (Nordstrom and Holts) in Vancouver is due to the tourist market (from China), and tourists aren't coming to Vancouver to shop at a Sears.
I guess Woodward's and Eaton's failed before the development / rise of that tourist market.
Like I said, Sears refused to change with the times. They could have a couple of city centre outlets which could concentrate more on high fashion, urban lifestyle retailing, food and beverage etc. By sticking to the traditional suburb business model, management doomed the brand.

Hudson Bay is trying to change, albeit at a very slow pace. They started allowing boutiques to open in their stores (like other successful traditional department stores around the world), and then they even brought in new brands to take up large parts of their stores (like Topshop, Topman and Saks 5th in Toronto), and also bringing in food and beverage (large scale in The Bay Queen Street, Toronto). That's why they are surviving.
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