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[SteelTown]

Council is done for the night.

Wow I think that's the longest I've stared at a computer screen, nearly 12 hours :| lol.

[mattgrande]

It was the right move by the city. No one on council seemed to support the EM (except, maybe, Brad Clark, but he disappeared before the vote). Of all the people who spoke (36 on the agenda, plus a few extra unscheduled ones), only one supported the East Mountain, and that was PJ Mercanti.

Looking at some of the originally proposed sites around the city, why was Kay Drage Park taken off? It looks like a better location than either WH or EM (at first glance).

[SteelTown]

Clark misses vote for concert

August 10, 2010
The Hamilton Spectator
http://www.thespec.com/News/Local/article/823818

When Hamilton city council voted 12-3 for a west harbour stadium Tuesday evening, one person was noticeably missing.

Ward 9 Councillor Brad Clark, who would have been the fourth vote against, left prior to the vote to attend the Micheal Buble concert at the Air Canada Centre in Toronto.

"In Toronto tonight, at the ACC they are laughing at Hamilton," Clark wrote in an email to The Spectator.

Clark's wife purchased the tickets to celebrate his 50th birthday.

[mattgrande]

Ah, looks like Brad Clark was at a Micheal Buble concert. Good for him.

http://www.thespec.com/News/Local/article/823818

[palace1]

Originally Posted by mattgrande

Looking at some of the originally proposed sites around the city, why was Kay Drage Park taken off? It looks like a better location than either WH or EM (at first glance).

Kay Drage park sits on top of a former landfill site so that would probably be the major reason it was dropped from serious consideration.

[markbarbera]

Come October, lets revisit the list of yeas to see how many get re-elected.

[BCTed]

Originally Posted by markbarbera

Come October, lets revisit the list of yeas to see how many get re-elected.

Unfortunately, I do not know that there is anyone better waiting in the wings. Hamilton City Council has a very long established history of less-than-stellar city councillors and there is nothing to suggest that it won't continue with or without the current set of aldermen/alderpeople.

[markbarbera]

Originally Posted by palace1

Kay Drage park sits on top of a former landfill site so that would probably be the major reason it was dropped from serious consideration.

THat's no reason. ONe cannot consider a landfill yet select a contaminated former industrial site?

Kay Drage was not selected because no one was making any money off the sale of land.

There is more to this WH story yet to be told, involving the owners of a bunch of numbered companies that are making lots of money selling their land to the city.

[realcity]

Originally Posted by SteelTown

Whitehead introduce a motion to negotiate with the Ti Cats for terms for use of West Harbour stadium.

What the hell the does he think has been going on for 6 months?

[realcity]

Originally Posted by dennis1

Wal Mart? Lowe's?

I know that is just sad the type of 'employment' land use, but all the same, it still will be developed and won't remain a pastural piece of nirvana.

[flar]

Originally Posted by markbarbera

THat's no reason. ONe cannot consider a landfill yet select a contaminated former industrial site?

Kay Drage was not selected because no one was making any money off the sale of land.

There is more to this WH story yet to be told, involving the owners of a bunch of numbered companies that are making lots of money selling their land to the city.

This I don't doubt.


A big part of council's share of the blame in all this is letting the choice be narrowed to two locations where there is no obvious compromise. The TiCats take blame for trying to slip in the EM location at the last hour and backing it with threats which they know will have an emotional impact on citizens. Confederation Park was always the obvious compromise, why was it taken off the table so quickly and easily?

[markbarbera]

Originally Posted by BCTed

Unfortunately, I do not know that there is anyone better waiting in the wings. Hamilton City Council has a very long established history of less-than-stellar city councillors and there is nothing to suggest that it won't continue with or without the current set of aldermen/alderpeople.

Sad but true. Nearly half the wards don't have anyone running against the incumbant yet. Leaves a sense of entitlement to them that poisons council. McHattie, Merulla, Collins, Powers, Ferguson are all career politicians without challengers. No wonder council is so stagnant.

[markbarbera]

Stephen Hawking must have been watching Hamilton council today:

http://www.thespec.com/News/BreakingNews/article/823805

[Millstone]

Originally Posted by flar

Ottawa is the only city bigger than Hamilton without a team.

Mississauga has a team?

[dennis1]

Originally Posted by realcity

I know that is just sad the type of 'employment' land use, but all the same, it still will be developed and won't remain a pastural piece of nirvana.

Proabaly not. I like Lowe's though.

So where do we go from here realcity?

[SteelTown]

Tomorrow Mayor Fred will make an announcement at the West Harbour.

[realcity]

Originally Posted by markbarbera

Hamilton had an NHL history once as well. That hasn't got us any further up in the queue for a replacement team in the 85 years since they left.

Jump forward ten years... Hamilton once had a football history, a manufacturing history and now 70% of the population is employed by a public sector employer, 25% are on public assistance and the remaining 5% are working for a private company that is planning how to get out of dodge.

Hamilton is dead and dying.

[Calgary_Guy]

Originally Posted by Millstone

Mississauga has a team?

Mississauga just might get the Argo's if Toronto gets the Bills. I'm pulling for a new stadium in Hamilton, and in my home town

[dennis1]

Real City, one more question:


Is hamilton still a stand alone city? Or is it now suburb of Toronto?

[realcity]

Do you guys realize that Frank Sinatra performed here and visited a private club at Barton and Sherman. That Barbara Steisand and Royalty stayed at the Royal Connaught. That the Barton Forum was the scariest arena on the continent for a visiting hockey team, that Libarace said Hamilton was his favourite city outside of the US. That visiting teams at IVW stadium shook in their Pumas facing-off against, Mosca, DiPietro, Zambiasi, that this city was the head office for Westinghouse, Firestone, Dofasco, Stelco, HI Case, Otis Elevator, IBM (25 Main W, yes its true,now in Burlington), regional offices for PriceCoopers, IBM (now in Burlington), AIC (now in Burlington), CIBC, Royal Bank (now in Burlington), Xerox, Bell Canada, and a huge host of medium to small companies many of which now are in Halton.

That *guy* from Employment Hamilton or whatever SPC *I'm still wondering what his opinion has to do with this* was talking about Hamilton becoming an A-List City from a B-List

O?M>G! Hamilton was the A-Market, Hamilton and Toronto and Montreal and Buffalo. Two of those 4 cities are now lucky to be C-Markets.

What does that guy know about Hamilton history? This city has been on a 30-40 year decline and nothing is stopping this train wreck. From A to D is the narrative buddy. Hamilton is an epic dropout on the scale of Detroit and Cleveland. *I lived in Cleveland in the 80s, billeted with the CEO of Mattel only for 6 months but still* and it really is a shame for me to see Hamilton become Cleveland... but 20 years behind and still getting depressed more. We'll need our Canadian version of Michael Moore, our twin city of Flint has beat us to the bottom.

Becoming an A-List? The narrative Mr. SPC is about Hamilton losing it's A-Listing in the first place!. And without the Cats, you'll find Hamilton in the white-pages of the Toronto phone-book, the one titled, "outside Toronto".

Hamilton... you've just fucked yourself into obscurity. There will be no stadium at WH... and zero PanAm games here. This is what you call a D-Listing.