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Old Posted Sep 15, 2016, 5:48 PM
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Do you consider downtown Toronto to be a poor neighbourhood? Because they have 5 Money Marts on Yonge Street between Queen and Bloor alone.
They are small in scale, and sandwiched in between so many other businesses, they basically do not stand out. The one on Portage is too prominent for my liking.
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What you fail to grasp is that eliminating the Money Mart will not on its own bring the steak house, coffee shop, florist, bakery, clothing store. Yonge Street is pretty cool, how do they manage to create an interesting urban environment that includes many Money Marts?

This reminds me of the talk about rail line relocation, this fantasy that if you eliminate something it will get filled up with all of the things we actually do want. It's not that easy.
Like you fail to grasp converting undesirable office space that sits vacant for years? You do realize you are talking about Toronto, yes? No comparison.
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Do you consider downtown Toronto to be a poor neighbourhood? Because they have 5 Money Marts on Yonge Street between Queen and Bloor alone.
Downtown Toronto has lots of public housing mixed in so there are certainly poor people in the area. Don't see 'em in Rosedale though!
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Old Posted Sep 15, 2016, 5:52 PM
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You do realize you are talking about Toronto, yes? No comparison.
But I thought Money Mart was A Big Problem?
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It is a business just like a Tim's. As you say, not a problem.
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WTF are you talking about? You brought up Toronto. If the ground floor of the Somerset building had five smaller CRUs, and obviously Money Mart's sign was smaller, and there were cafes, etc in the other CRUs somewhat making MM pale in comparison, I suppose that would be acceptable.
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It is a business just like a Tim's. As you say, not a problem.
Drunks staggering around downtown, not a problem. Both are blights, and undesirable.
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Old Posted Sep 15, 2016, 5:58 PM
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It is a business just like a Tim's. As you say, not a problem.
They don't bother me... like them or not, you'll find them in just about every downtown. I don't think the presence of Money Mart is the issue so much as it is the absence of the other things that Urban Recluse has expressed a desire for... but eliminating the former won't really do anything to attract the latter.
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They don't bother me... like them or not, you'll find them in just about every downtown. I don't think the presence of Money Mart is the issue so much as it is the absence of the other things that Urban Recluse has expressed a desire for... but eliminating the former won't really do anything to attract the latter.
Sense being made.
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There are 21 Money Marts in downtown Toronto. Almost all are on Young, Dundas, Bloor and Queen. Montreal is rife with strip clubs in major areas and it's not a problem — actually, it's an attraction.

You need diversity, regardless of where it is. If you force all businesses "for poor people" into the same area, it will make those areas even worse, and that will just spill over into the "good" areas.

At the end of the day, this all comes down to having enough residents of diverse backgrounds and incomes downtown to make all kinds of businesses sustainable. If there was a hip resto/lounge on one side of Money Mart and a boutique or H&M on the other, you probably wouldn't be complaining. At least MM is in a nice, well kept building, and has a small footprint. Dollarama is a way bigger offender of the urban fabric.
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Yes, and there is also high end retail throughout those downtowns. If Winnipeg had finer retailers, dozens of more restaurants, etc, downtown that would be a different story. The problem is all the crap retail, etc in downtown Winnipeg is too prominent.
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Yes, and there is also high end retail throughout those downtowns. If Winnipeg had finer retailers, dozens of more restaurants, etc, downtown that would be a different story. The problem is all the crap retail, etc in downtown Winnipeg is too prominent.
Things are changing. That's the thing. You can't have it happen overnight. You have new towers bringing new people with money downtown. Give it time.
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Montreal is rife with strip clubs in major areas and it's not a problem — actually, it's an attraction.
Super Sex! Last time I was there several stag parties from Boston were on the go. It is an attraction all right, and a gold mine.

Forget about high end retail downtown. Retail is still shrinking and will for a long time yet.
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I know I know, I need to be a bit more patient. I have waited for a mere 20 years for some real change along Portage. I suppose I could wait another 5.
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I know I know, I need to be a bit more patient. I have waited for a mere 20 years for some real change along Portage. I suppose I could wait another 5.
I mean, Glasshouse and 300 Assiniboine don't even have people in them yet. Even without them, there's a lot more people downtown than I remember just 5 years ago.
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True, and of course the Sterling Building, and 272 Main. I really hope the pace of densification becomes increased rather dramatically. Portage, along this stretch in particular, needs to be livened up in a big way.
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The glasshouse grand opening party is tonight. Will be interesting to see if a cafe or something does end up there on the main floor, as was shown in renders. Because it is now the only CRU on Hargrave thanks to the parkade (and AC loading docks across the street), it could be difficult to get people there from Portage. It'd be amazing if the 4Play building (always forget the name) were eventually opened up to Hargrave, at least with windows, to help that corner a but.
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Yes, replacing the Hargrave elevation of the Dayton Building with massive windows/crus would be great.
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^ The Dayton Building punches way below its weight. Huge main floor space is vacant, empty basement CRU, rinky dink upper floor tenants, outdated everything. All this in spite of an absolutely prime SHED location.

The fact that the owner is a small time local guy who bought the building cheap when Portage Avenue was rock bottom (much like his neighbours next door at O'Calcutta) means that he's probably just sitting on it until a developer gives him the big payday he's waiting for.
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Because it is not a desirable business for a high profile downtown street. Obviously you fail to grasp what revitalization efforts are all about despite being present on this site for sometime. A steakhouse, coffee shop, florist, bakery, clothing store, etc all good. Pawn shops, money marts, surface lots, strip clubs bad.
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Yes, and there is also high end retail throughout those downtowns. If Winnipeg had finer retailers, dozens of more restaurants, etc, downtown that would be a different story. The problem is all the crap retail, etc in downtown Winnipeg is too prominent.
You do realize that you don't flip a switch and change things overnight, right? Once downtown has truly turned a corner and there is demand for better places than dollar stores and payday loan outlets these places will get pressured out of the market. While it is still relatively on the low end of the market there is a place for these business. If the Money Mart or Dollarama did not have customers they would not be sticking it out for years to try and make a go of it.

Simply put, you want Money Mart gone, first eliminate the reason the Portage Ave location is able to pull in customers then the Money Mart will follow.
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