The Great Metro Vancouver Crane Count

[bils]

Corrections for Richmond

1) River Rock Casino Expansion is the same as Bridgeport Park 'n Ride, and the total for this site is 2 cranes
2) Delete: Mandalay (1-2) & Garden City Living (1) - all of those cranes are no longer there.

Do 'light' cranes count? i.e., those used along Canada Line, or for low-rise developments?
If so, add:

Merry Park Living (SW corner of Buswell & Westminster Hwy) - 1
Meridian Gate (Odlin Rd, just west of Garden City Rd) - 2
Unknown condo development (NE corner of Cooney Rd & Granville Rd.) - 1

[LeftCoaster]

No, light cranes shouldnt count... there are just waaaay to many.

There are probably a dozen alone here in West Vancouver building single family homes.

[raggedy13]

Thanks everybody!

Update:
-Raffles removed
-Mandalay & Garden City Living (Richmond) removed
-River Rock Casino Expansion & Bridgeport Park & Ride error fixed/projects consolidated
-All the above mentioned added
-Potential count added

I guess we'll avoid light cranes... so if any of the previous cranes mentioned are light cranes, let me know and I can either remove them or create a light cranes sub-section to the list.

Update:
-Temorary(?) light cranes sub-section added - with bils mentioned projects

[vanman]

You can add another crane to Plaza 88 in New West. I drove past the site today and there are definitely 3 up.

[bils]

can someone post an image of what a 'light crane' is? i just used that term loosely to describe what i think it looks like. what i'm thinking of is something that looks like a leaner version of a typical crane, not attached to a vehicle or anything.

[raggedy13]

^I'm not all that sure. I think I have the same kind of idea as you but I'm not sure about specific terminology or anything.

Plaza 88 updated.

[mersar]

Originally Posted by bils

can someone post an image of what a 'light crane' is? i just used that term loosely to describe what i think it looks like. what i'm thinking of is something that looks like a leaner version of a typical crane, not attached to a vehicle or anything.

Assuming you're going by the same definition that we use for the Calgary count, similar to the one in this shot by Surrealplaces:



Generally defined as having a non permantent base (usually anchored by several large weights instead of into poured concrete) and a really small frame with no cab on the top. We've counted proper tower cranes with cabs on the tower that aren't into poured cement in Calgary's count, as we've had 2 now (one that was on the roof of an existing building for an expansion, and another thats currently at the Bow site)

[Bert]

Originally Posted by raggedy13

Burnaby = 16 confirmed / 18 potential
Silhouette: 2 (3?)
Building(?) behind Lougheed Mall: 3

Possible double counting here? Also, Citi and Motif were counted twice on that list as well (SFUVancouver said there's 2 cranes total there).

Brentwood south of Highway 1 on canada way(?): 1

This is the latest phase of the Discovery Place tech park.

[bils]

Originally Posted by mersar

Generally defined as having a non permantent base (usually anchored by several large weights instead of into poured concrete) and a really small frame with no cab on the top. We've counted proper tower cranes with cabs on the tower that aren't into poured cement in Calgary's count, as we've had 2 now (one that was on the roof of an existing building for an expansion, and another thats currently at the Bow site)

thanks for the clarification, and yes, that's what i had meant by 'light crane'. so what's the verdict, are we counting these or not?

[SFUVancouver]

My take on it is that those potain cranes should count. In some projects they are taking the place of mobile cranes, which wouldn't count, but in many others they are surely taking the place of fixed tower cranes.

For example this one out at the airport is certainly in lieu of a tower crane:


My photo, taken April 16th, 2008.


Also, Crossroads is down to one crane.

[worldwide]

theres a light crane at hastings and cassiar building a low rise condo

[raggedy13]

^Light crane added.

1 Crossroads crane removed.

Originally Posted by Bert

Possible double counting here? Also, Citi and Motif were counted twice on that list as well (SFUVancouver said there's 2 cranes total there).

This is the latest phase of the Discovery Place tech park.

Thanks, issues fixed. But I'll need someone to guarantee that Silhouette is the "Building(?) behind Lougheed Mall" before I'm willing to change it. You're probably right but I don't know enough about the area to make a decision on "possible" double counting I'm afraid.

[raggedy13]

Originally Posted by SFUVancouver

My take on it is that those potain cranes should count. In some projects they are taking the place of mobile cranes, which wouldn't count, but in many others they are surely taking the place of fixed tower cranes.

For example this one out at the airport is certainly in lieu of a tower crane:

I have a tendency to agree with SFUVancouver as he comes across as pretty brilliant much of the time, so I'm happy to count potain cranes used in lieu of a tower crane, but how do we go about determining which ones are in lieu of mobile vs. fixed tower cranes? Is it generally fairly obvious?

[SFUVancouver]

^ Aw shucks...

I think that Potain (light) cranes are fixed enough to count as tower cranes since they are regularly called upon for months of service from a fixed location. The fact that they are not embedded in concrete should not be the defining criteria. If so, the tower cranes that laboured on the new Convention Centre wouldn't count either since they were on rails, if I'm not mistaken.

I draw the line at including mobile wheeled cranes and those monsters that erect tower cranes and luff HVAC stuff to roofs.

Interestingly enough the steel-frame Lake City Way office building was built without either a tower or a potain crane. Since it is located above the bus loop they had a nice firm, level concrete pad to work with and the limited six storey height of the building lent itself well to mobile cranes.

[Bert]

Originally Posted by raggedy13

Thanks, issues fixed. But I'll need someone to guarantee that Silhouette is the "Building(?) behind Lougheed Mall" before I'm willing to change it. You're probably right but I don't know enough about the area to make a decision on "possible" double counting I'm afraid.

OK.

Worldwide, Silhouette is the development going up right beside Walmart. Is that the "building behind Lougheed Mall" you mean?

[subdude]

Patina has 2 cranes. Second one went up in Feb.
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...=138044&page=2

[agrant]

Don't forget some of the projects on the west side, like Pulse.

Originally Posted by SFUVancouver

Interestingly enough the steel-frame Lake City Way office building was built without either a tower or a potain crane. Since it is located above the bus loop they had a nice firm, level concrete pad to work with and the limited six storey height of the building lent itself well to mobile cranes.

Yea. I've been working there for the past couple months doing the heating. Pretty amazing how one mobile crane can do so much work, and how essential it is to the project. It's a completely different deal for the crane operator, working from the ground rather than overhead.

[radacal]

there's a crane at the condo tower at 39th and vine, vancouver.

the vcc crane will be down at the end of the month.

[Smooth]

The crane at Centre Point in Burnaby is now down.

[zivan56]

I was working on something which could potentially help keep track of construction (and cranes as a side effect):
link
Not much listed so far, but I just started working on it tonight.
Any thoughts? Will try to make an "add" page soon.