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Old Posted Apr 11, 2017, 2:20 PM
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If you're speaking of the Walmart in Historic Westside Village, it's not really convenient to downtown. Target is dead with no future, they don't know how to market. Walmart has a far greater draw with more selection - perfect for downtown.
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don't think we don't see the coded language here. "broad spectrum of customers" = "not so many poor/black people". i'm really having a hard time getting excited about seeing underground being turned into another urban playground for the elite rather than do something for the community that never gave up downtown even when it was too scary for y'all.
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don't think we don't see the coded language here. "broad spectrum of customers" = "not so many poor/black people". i'm really having a hard time getting excited about seeing underground being turned into another urban playground for the elite rather than do something for the community that never gave up downtown even when it was too scary for y'all.
If you choose to see race in my statement that is your problem and not mine. I feel ZERO need to justify myself as it relates to race relations and I will leave it at that. It is news to me that poor and black people do not shop at Target, but the idea that Target is for the elite is just plain silly. I was referring to the appeal Target across the economic spectrum and yes I absolutely believe that it is in downtown's best interest to have a residential population that is not predominantly poor.
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Old Posted Apr 13, 2017, 4:51 PM
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Yeah Martin didn't mean any malicious intent in his statement. He's right. Target does target(no pun intended) a broad range of customers and socioeconomic classes.
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don't think we don't see the coded language here. "broad spectrum of customers" = "not so many poor/black people". I'm really having a hard time getting excited about seeing underground being turned into another urban playground for the elite rather than do something for the community that never gave up downtown even when it was too scary for y'all.
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As a 15 year resident a mile away Target would be welcome in my opinion but then again maybe I'm not one of those long term residents you speak about?!
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If you're speaking of the Walmart in Historic Westside Village, it's not really convenient to downtown. Target is dead with no future, they don't know how to market. Walmart has a far greater draw with more selection - perfect for downtown.
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Old Posted Apr 14, 2017, 1:18 AM
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yes I absolutely believe that it is in downtown's best interest to have a residential population that is not predominantly poor.
gentrifying isn't going to make anyone not poor; it's just going to move them somewhere else. so "downtown's best interests" in this instance is not in the interests of the people who already live there. it's in the best interests of people that are not from downtown and don't live downtown. ergo, it's in everybody else's best interest that the people who currently live and shop downtown can no longer afford to do so.

my point is not to catch you and label you a racist, and it's not about target in particular. my point is to get people who come from a more suburban/white background to think more critically about how these issues affect actual people of lower socioeconomic standing and stop prioritizing manmade constructions over the actual people who use them. if we destroy the community in the process, we aren't improving it. we're basically saying "these inanimate buildings are more important to me than the community of people that live there" and honestly that's really problematic.
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Old Posted Apr 14, 2017, 2:22 AM
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Old Posted Apr 14, 2017, 3:46 PM
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gentrifying isn't going to make anyone not poor; it's just going to move them somewhere else. so "downtown's best interests" in this instance is not in the interests of the people who already live there. it's in the best interests of people that are not from downtown and don't live downtown. ergo, it's in everybody else's best interest that the people who currently live and shop downtown can no longer afford to do so.

my point is not to catch you and label you a racist, and it's not about target in particular. my point is to get people who come from a more suburban/white background to think more critically about how these issues affect actual people of lower socioeconomic standing and stop prioritizing manmade constructions over the actual people who use them. if we destroy the community in the process, we aren't improving it. we're basically saying "these inanimate buildings are more important to me than the community of people that live there" and honestly that's really problematic.
First of all, you don't know me so don't assume you know where I come from or anything about me.

I completely agree that gentrification is an important issue but when you suggest that a Target is being built for the elite, you just sound crazy. Your comment may not be specifically about Target but Target was specifically the topic of discussion. So have you polled any of the poor in the area to find out whether or not they would want a Target nearby or if they feel that redeveloping Underground will "destroy their community"?

There is a lot more that the city can do to prevent the negative impact of gentrification but the fact of the matter is that NOT rebuilding Underground and investing in this area (or any other area of the city) is NOT the answer and helps exactly NOONE. There would be less jobs, less revenue for the city, less amenities even for the poor.
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Old Posted Apr 15, 2017, 4:32 AM
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i apologize; i have seen so much pro-gentrification rhetoric online recently with a distinct anti-black, anti-poor mentality that i melded together your posts with several other people's posts and made a broad-sweeping statement. however, i don't think the current plans for underground will serve as an improvement for the community, i think it's just going to result in the community being swept away to somewhere else. that doesn't seem like a "win" to me.
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Understood. And I agree completely with you that way we treating people as if they are disposable is a big problem but its also not new. The more I learn about local history the more I realize that its a lot uglier than most of us are willing to admit. Your awareness of the plight of those that too often don't have a voice and being willing to speak out on it is admirable.
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