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Western Alienation is a worry of this government. If they were asked by the US government to pay $1B for the section in Canada, they would. Then it would be a great way to show they care about anything west of the 89th Meridian.
Also more major green projects such as this will be good PR like never before. I once thought of this project as a pipe dream, but if Trump is defeated next year the all the necessary stars may have been aligned.
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Ottawa will NEVER, EVER contribute one dime towards this project before it gives billions to a similar line in the Windsor-Quebec City Corridor. Any HSR funding in Canada is going straight to The Corridor and anyone who thinks that's not the case is, forgive my bluntness, dilusional.
Justin Trudeau himself made the announcement that Amazon would be opening a large office in Vancouver, so Ottawa is very aware of the importance and the the economic spin-offs of a 48 minute link to Seattle. HSR to Vancouver would vault Vancouver into an economic power house in this country. Ottawa would jump at the opportunity. The federal contribution to to a Toronto/Montreal HSR would be massive compared to the small contribution required to complete the Vancouver section in a Seattle link.
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Ottawa will NEVER, EVER contribute one dime towards this project before it gives billions to a similar line in the Windsor-Quebec City Corridor. Any HSR funding in Canada is going straight to The Corridor and anyone who thinks that's not the case is, forgive my bluntness, dilusional.
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You are 100% correct, IMO. Why? The Windsor-QC corridor is where the majority of Canadians live, and where the greatest number of federal ridings are, and where the votes are. Voilà.
And speaking of HSR in that corridor, although a true HSR is planned and may be in the works, the current fastest train in Canada is about as fast as some Paris commuter railways.
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Justin Trudeau himself made the announcement that Amazon would be opening a large office in Vancouver, so Ottawa is very aware of the importance and the the economic spin-offs of a 48 minute link to Seattle. HSR to Vancouver would vault Vancouver into an economic power house in this country. Ottawa would jump at the opportunity. The federal contribution to to a Toronto/Montreal HSR would be massive compared to the small contribution required to complete the Vancouver section in a Seattle link.

I guess if it's done through a national transportation project fund of some kind, it could be that they have a pool of funds to concurrently enable a list projects that are to be funded like...
1) Windsor-Quebec HSR
2) Edmonton-Calgary
3) Vancouver-Seattle-Portland (Canadian Portion)
4) Lower Mainland / Fraser Valley Commuter Rail

That way it plays to having most money spent on "the corridor" yet also playing to appeasing Western needs... done via an application to achieve funding setup or something.
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Not the point. I asked about LRT terminating on SFU or if another bus transfer would still be required for students. The Hastings route to SFU is popular for students and SFU residents today.
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Thanks for the numbers! Certainly gives a lot of context to substantiate the discussion.

Based on those numbers, Hastings certainly doesn't compare to Broadway, but I'm curious what the development/density potential is for the Hastings if it had a Skytrain line, compared to the UBC extension. Would we have a better ability to densify the Hastings corridor to create "town centres" at say Hastings & Commercial, Kootenay, Willingdon, Kensington (like how they're hub-ifying with tall towers at Brentwood, Lougheed, Coquitlam? Burnaby seems to be good at doing that (compared to CoV...)

And then if we compare that to the potential of, say, Broadway/Alma and Broadway/Macdonald's potential for higher density residential/employment. I mean, besides the current ridership numbers, perhaps the Skytrain deserves a shot at Hastings as a tool to create more viable density for the region.

And another idea... perhaps a Hastings Skytrain line can go to Kootenay Loop then turn north to tunnel through Burrard to north shore to Phibbs? Seems like an easier crossing there.

Wondering if an eastward Hastings line would actually get more "mayor's council" votes as it benefits more of the mayors / districts.
The problem is the same with any LRT project that uses parking lanes. If you're going to take parking lanes from businesses, it's way more likely to go forwards due to cost (Hundred of millions vs Billions)by upgrading the 95 to BRT (not 'Rapidbus' curb bus lanes (which would be closer to the tens of millions)). https://imgur.com/a/uVyZY



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with the Seattle-Vancouver high speed rail link how much is Canada expected to contribute?

people in Chilliwack seem kinda pissed about it based on comments I've been reading.
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I guess the idea of commuter rail to Chilliwack never dies. Ask them to join TransLink (and pay all the extra taxes that that brings), and in exchange, give them rail. Seems fair.
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Remember, a Vancouver–Seattle link wouldn't necessarily be seen as prioritizing the West over the East... as this link really is more about connecting Canada and the USA. The contributions to a Windsor Line would eclipse this line by a large margin as it would an all-in-Canada line.

And as for Chilliwack... yes they'll complain... but in reality, HSR lines are more like ground airports than train lines.

If you look at ridership for HSR it's VERY commonly MOSTLY point-to-point. There will be FAR more Vancouver-Seattle trips than Bellingham to Seattle... or Vancouver to Everett.

Take a look at Japanese trains... Out of 18 trains per hour between Tokyo and Osaka... only ONE makes all the stops. The MAJORITY are Nozomi service and make stops ONLY at Shinagawa, Yokohama (essentially a suburb of Tokyo), Nagoya, and Kyoto on their way to Osaka.

The new 500km/h line they're building will likely have 5 or 6 trains / hour... 4 of them with exactly 0 stops between Tokyo(Shinagawa) and Nagoya.

HSR train lines are more like medium-distance airports. And no one complains that the airplanes in the sky aren't making pit stops in Bellingham to pick up passengers on the way to Seatac.
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