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Old Posted Jul 4, 2014, 2:17 PM
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Three points to consider with this...

1 - the rail track bed was 30 years old and due for replacement. So even if the Cars On Main project never happened, the tracks would need to be ripped out and replaced at some point soon, and that would have disrupted ridership either way. Plus we all know how dated and deteriorated the sidewalks were on Main, so those would have had to be ripped up too. Bottom line is that the disruption to metro riders and pedestrians would have happened regardless of this project.

2 - the huge spike in renovation announcements along the 400 and 500 blocks (restaurants, apartments, offices) only occurred after the Cars On Main project was finalized and financed for those blocks. It could be a total coincidence... but it definitely appears to be a positive factor in the rebirth of Main.

3 - the reduced ridership on the metro will only be temporary, because around the same time that Metro schedules get back to normal, it will coincide with the opening of Conventus, Children's Hospital, and UB Medical... all right on Main St and right above a subway stop. It is virtually guaranteed that there will be a huge boost to ridership once they open, especially with the limited parking in that area.
What they need to add downtown are more crossovers so that trains can go around problems or work areas - not sure how that gets accomplished with cars soon to be sharing the road but it's a cluster F during this reconstruction. Right now the switches are at Allen and Canalside. That wasn't very smart.
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Old Posted Jul 4, 2014, 2:30 PM
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Three points to consider with this...

1 - the rail track bed was 30 years old and due for replacement. So even if the Cars On Main project never happened, the tracks would need to be ripped out and replaced at some point soon, and that would have disrupted ridership either way. Plus we all know how dated and deteriorated the sidewalks were on Main, so those would have had to be ripped up too. Bottom line is that the disruption to metro riders and pedestrians would have happened regardless of this project.

2 - the huge spike in renovation announcements along the 400 and 500 blocks (restaurants, apartments, offices) only occurred after the Cars On Main project was finalized and financed for those blocks. It could be a total coincidence... but it definitely appears to be a positive factor in the rebirth of Main.

3 - the reduced ridership on the metro will only be temporary, because around the same time that Metro schedules get back to normal, it will coincide with the opening of Conventus, Children's Hospital, and UB Medical... all right on Main St and right above a subway stop. It is virtually guaranteed that there will be a huge boost to ridership once they open, especially with the limited parking in that area.
The thing that people keep missing when they talk about how much ridership has fallen during the Main Street renovation is something that the NFTA said in a Buffalo News article a while back: ridership has fallen but revenue has not. Which basically means that all the people that aren't riding it are the people that used to use it as a way to get from one part of downtown to another for free. The people that pay are commuters and other people riding from the underground sections, and that number of people hasn't changed. All this makes me think that the ridership dip is very temporary.
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Old Posted Jul 8, 2014, 2:32 AM
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Ciminelli announced plans for a second Conventus building, though it sounds like plans are in the very early stages. http://www.buffalonews.com/city-regi...enter-20140707

The site is the 1920s warehouse across the street from Conventus and the new Womens & Childrens Hospital site:



EDIT: The top left blue box should read "Conventus" and the bottom right box is the proposed "Conventus 2". Sorry, I was really tired when I made this, but I don't have a way to change the file anymore.)

(Just a crude diagram I made quickly - do you think they would go all the way over to Ellicott Street with the site or be half the width of the block like this?)
Also - wasn't this site the planned location for the second phase of the Med School?


Also, asbestos abatement appears to be underway at the Phoenix Brewery (windows are out and plastic sheeting is in) so that project seems likely moving forward.

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Old Posted Jul 8, 2014, 12:52 PM
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Ciminelli announced plans for a second Conventus building, though it sounds like plans are in the very early stages. http://www.buffalonews.com/city-regi...enter-20140707

The site is the 1920s warehouse across the street from Conventus and the new Womens & Childrens Hospital site:



(Just a crude diagram I made quickly - do you think they would go all the way over to Ellicott Street with the site or be half the width of the block like this?)
Also - wasn't this site the planned location for the second phase of the Med School?


Also, asbestos abatement appears to be underway at the Phoenix Brewery (windows are out and plastic sheeting is in) so that project seems likely moving forward.
Yes- a second wing for the med school was shown on the Langston site. Hmm- maybe Ciminelli is trying to raise the price of the parcel?
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Old Posted Jul 12, 2014, 12:53 PM
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A developer is planning 30, market-rate infill homes on the west side. Scattered sites around Fargo. I am going to talk to the developer on Monday but the News is possibly running something tomorrow. Stay tuned. Everyone will recognize the name behind the project.
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Old Posted Jul 12, 2014, 2:48 PM
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OMG so awesome - very excited for this! New infill is exactly what the West Side needs. So many vacant lots left over from the bad old days.
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Old Posted Jul 12, 2014, 5:24 PM
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OMG so awesome - very excited for this! New infill is exactly what the West Side needs. So many vacant lots left over from the bad old days.
I know! Fingers crossed for some great design.
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Got out on a paddle board from BFLO Harbor Kayak which was a great experience. Here's a couple photos I snapped from my phone around town.





There were workers on site for both Harborcenter and 250 Delaware ave.




New canal bridge. There were a bunch of concrete blocks (right) they were beginning to position in place.
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Old Posted Jul 13, 2014, 9:49 PM
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Crazy how that's only the first floor of 250 Delaware. It already looks so big... Can you imagine 11 more stories? It's totally gonna tower over that intersection.

Also, when you look at it in person, they lined the top of the first floor (the line of that steel) up perfectly with the top of the first floor at the Tourraine Hotel next door. It's little things like that that make for quality streetscapes.
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Crazy how that's only the first floor of 250 Delaware. It already looks so big... Can you imagine 11 more stories? It's totally gonna tower over that intersection.

Also, when you look at it in person, they lined the top of the first floor (the line of that steel) up perfectly with the top of the first floor at the Tourraine Hotel next door. It's little things like that that make for quality streetscapes.
The first floor is about double height, but yeah it will still have a wow factor even though we already know what it will look like. The top to bottom glass is great. It is going up really fast right now. There's already two more floors in the works.


Anyone know when the Elmwood developmen next to Globe will start? The parking lot has been closed for weeks now.
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Old Posted Jul 23, 2014, 2:48 AM
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Serious progress on the Big Ditch Brewery. As in, the corner of the building is currently missing:


Source: Big Ditch's facebook page
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Are any of these places going to be affordable keeping in line with the average income in Buffalo? While it's nice to see these old buildings breathing new life, it's going to be very disappointing if they're built in such a way where, after ten years, hardly anyone can afford to live there and they'll either sit empty, or be rented out to 5-6 college students occupying one apartment.

This is the mistake that happened in downtown Duluth, Minnesota. The ability of the developers to transform old flophouse hotels and rotted out warehouses into beautiful spaces was amazing. But here's where they go wrong: most people here who are unmarried, childless and want to live downtown aren't rich like the downtown residents in Minneapolis, Chicago, Seattle and Toronto. They're just scraping by and want to live downtown so they don't need the extra expense of a car and can walk to most places. They don't want granite/quartz countertops! They don't want cork flooring! They don't want a yoga room or any of these amenities that justify charging $1100 a month for a studio. They want safe, clean, accessible and somewhat modern buildings to live in. The only reason these expensive amenities are added is to charge outrageous rents that hardly anyone in the Duluths and Buffalos can afford. Neither is an affluent city, and those with lots of money often don't want to live downtown.

I know these developments are trying to outdo each other with fascinating perks and amenities, but when you consider your local market and their average salaries, all you're building are rehabbed old buildings that nobody will be able to,afford or even qualify to rent.
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Old Posted Jul 28, 2014, 2:19 AM
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Are any of these places going to be affordable keeping in line with the average income in Buffalo? While it's nice to see these old buildings breathing new life, it's going to be very disappointing if they're built in such a way where, after ten years, hardly anyone can afford to live there and they'll either sit empty, or be rented out to 5-6 college students occupying one apartment.

This is the mistake that happened in downtown Duluth, Minnesota. The ability of the developers to transform old flophouse hotels and rotted out warehouses into beautiful spaces was amazing. But here's where they go wrong: most people here who are unmarried, childless and want to live downtown aren't rich like the downtown residents in Minneapolis, Chicago, Seattle and Toronto. They're just scraping by and want to live downtown so they don't need the extra expense of a car and can walk to most places. They don't want granite/quartz countertops! They don't want cork flooring! They don't want a yoga room or any of these amenities that justify charging $1100 a month for a studio. They want safe, clean, accessible and somewhat modern buildings to live in. The only reason these expensive amenities are added is to charge outrageous rents that hardly anyone in the Duluths and Buffalos can afford. Neither is an affluent city, and those with lots of money often don't want to live downtown.

I know these developments are trying to outdo each other with fascinating perks and amenities, but when you consider your local market and their average salaries, all you're building are rehabbed old buildings that nobody will be able to,afford or even qualify to rent.
Are you just speaking of the loft conversions? Like anywhere else, they follow the laws of economics. The current crop of maybe a couple thousand newer lofts rent for between $800 and $2500. They are building more because they rent out very quickly. Buffalo, probably like Duluth, is normally late to the party when it comes to national trends. So, there's at least a few hundred units under construction currently. That's not really that much. A lot for Buffalo, but not much on a national level. There's still lots of hipsters and young professionals who want swankier diggs like any city.

The city of Buffalo is generally poor, but then you have another million in the suburbs, and maybe another million across the immediate border in the wealthier canadian side. There's areas in buffalo where homes sell for a dollar, then theres many areas where awesome guilded age homes sell for between $300,000 and $1,500,000. It's not a Detroit market.

They will stop converting when people stop renting. Buffalo is far from dead. Lots of folks are misinformed.


There may be other bubbles. 4 microbreweries opening around the same time in the city strikes me as pretty iffy. Also the 5 hotels under construction is iffy as well, but the best ones will survive while the older stock dies. Just what we need, frankly.

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Agreed. The City of Buffalo is poor, but when you take the 1.1 million person metro area into account, the incomes are pretty average for the country as a whole. Right now, there is tons of demand for higher-end downtown apartments and very little supply - thus, the developers can charge high rents. Buffalo has many older buildings within a 5-10 minute walk of its downtown that provide lower-income or standard income housing for tens of thousands of people, so that market is already served pretty well. The thing that I feel is holding back Buffalo's downtown is a lack of confidence by developers in its future - many developers and bankers seem to be old-school and suburban-minded and don't want the unique challenges of developing in the city and don't understand why somebody would want to live there, so projects are slow to get funded and started. But there are projects, and things are slowly happening.
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We should be hearing about Uniland's plans for the Frey properties they recently purchased at Tupper/Ellicott soon.
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Massive streetscaping project going on in the Larkin District when I visited last week. New sidewalks, bumpouts, a new stone wall. This is along Seneca Street next to the Larkin Center of Commerce west of the Square. Sorry, didn't have my camera.

Also, 6th floor steel is going up at the Delaware North HQ. All of a sudden, it looks pretty imposing. Almost as tall as the Hampton Inn across the street.
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Massive streetscaping project going on in the Larkin District when I visited last week. New sidewalks, bumpouts, a new stone wall. This is along Seneca Street next to the Larkin Center of Commerce west of the Square. Sorry, didn't have my camera.

Also, 6th floor steel is going up at the Delaware North HQ. All of a sudden, it looks pretty imposing. Almost as tall as the Hampton Inn across the street.
Hard to believe all the (good) crap going on downtown and vicinity. It has to be a couple billion. So many developments compared to a decade ago.
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Walked by the Curtiss Building today at lunch. The door was open and contractors were inside talking. No construction equipment on-site yet, but Croce seems to have been serious - the project seems to be underway.
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Old Posted Aug 9, 2014, 1:40 PM
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It was a busy development week- all of the 'big boys' were in the news:

Sinatra buys at Tupper/Franklin
Uniland gets Rainbow Centre
Ciminelli skins Conventus
Ellicott Dev. buys Episcopal and Christian Center
Benderson confirms plans for new building along Scott Street

I hear the Uniland should be showing plans for the Frey site on Tupper as soon as next week.
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It was a busy development week- all of the 'big boys' were in the news:

Sinatra buys at Tupper/Franklin
Uniland gets Rainbow Centre
Ciminelli skins Conventus
Ellicott Dev. buys Episcopal and Christian Center
Benderson confirms plans for new building along Scott Street

I hear the Uniland should be showing plans for the Frey site on Tupper as soon as next week.
Awesome to see all this buying activity downtown and even more development in the pipeline. The story in the News yesterday that a new owner of the Red Jacket Building is planning to reactivate its 10,000 SF of ground-floor retail is big news too. I hear Sinatra is officially closing on the Market Arcade next week.

Great to see development starting to happen in Niagara Falls too (Hamister and now Uniland). Visited the Falls with family a couple weeks ago and the only food available on the American side near the bridge is little stands run by enterprising Chinese, Indian, and Bengladeshi immigrants. All the storefronts are vacant or boarded up. Americans have clearly given up on that city completely. It's such a weirdly dreary and depressing place, yet has so much potential since it's a big tourist attraction. So it's great that things are starting to improve...it helps that they have a really good mayor (Dyster).
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