SAN DIEGO | Boom Rundown, Vol. 2

[Nerv]

Originally Posted by CaliNative

Impressive. Almost like a San Diego-style Rockefeller Center. The tallest building on the left looks to be in the 450-500 foot range, is that right? This is a mixed use project--office/hotel/residential/retail?

It could be slightly different later but here's the projects building heights.

Site Plan Description:
BLOCK 1A: 1.9 Acre Waterfront Park
BLDG 1B: 260 Keys, 5-Star Manchester Boutique Hotel; 187,867 SF, 135FT, 10-Stories, Manchester Pacific Gateway Tower - Class A Office; 523,507 SF, Retail; 92,748 SF, 400 FT, 27-Stories
BLDG 2A & 2B: 1,090 Keys, 4-Star Manchester Gateway Hotel/Retail and Medal of Honor Museum; 1,103,035 SF, 350 FT, 29-Stories
BLDG 3A: Lindbergh Building - Class A office/Retail; 272,693 SF, 135 FT, 8-Stories
BLDG 3B: US Navy Headquarters - Class A Office; 373,105 SF, 250 FT, 17-Stories
BLDG 4A &4B: Seaport Building - Class A Office; 152,976 SF, Retail; 144,547 SF, 110 FT, 6-Stories



http://www.manchesterpacificgateway.com/

[Nerv]

[Boatguy619]

Will there be any lighting designs at NBC? The two 350 tower look like the roof might have something. I hate how dim lit our skyline is.

[JerellO]

Originally Posted by Nerv

This render is old, unfortunately the current design has a less Rockefeller look and more blue glass than that stone material... at least for the tallest building. The rest of the project still has some art-deco feel.

[HurricaneHugo]

^^ Then post it!

But I do hope they don't all have the same architecture

[ucsbgaucho]

Originally Posted by Boatguy619

Will there be any lighting designs at NBC? The two 350 tower look like the roof might have something. I hate how dim lit our skyline is.

Those two middle towers with the "lighting" look on top immediately made me think of the connector when you plug a new graphics card into your desktop computer... Haha. I feel like a giant motherboard will float down and dock with those two towers.

/END random thought

[Crackertastik]

These are straight from the Manchester Pacific Gateway site. Definitely more glass, but still a nice mix of stone materials.

[Nerv]

Originally Posted by HurricaneHugo

^^ Then post it!

But I do hope they don't all have the same architecture

Best to view the slideshow here:

http://www.manchesterpacificgateway.com

Even early on I expected more of a "glass" look since some renderings tend to mute the look of numerous windows although we know that's what it's going to have.

The Art Deco look does seem dialed back in some areas but I've learned to wait until we actually see the final result.

Either way I like the project as is and am looking forward to getting rid of the previous eyesore that's currently there.

[SDfan]

I really dislike that bridge connecting the twins. It makes everything look more squat.

[SDfan]

Westfield UTC Tower broke ground.

http://sdbj.com/news/2017/sep/05/wes...ent-tower-utc/

[HurricaneHugo]

Nice.

Does UTC have a height limit?

[SDfan]

Originally Posted by HurricaneHugo

Nice.

Does UTC have a height limit?

Not that I am aware of, however, the old La Jolla Commons project was reduced in height (32 story to 15 story) partially because the FAA was concerned about Miramar's proximity. I've seen proposals up to 350' in UTC, but they've all been scaled back (La Jolla Commons and Costa Verde being examples).

[Nerv]

Originally Posted by SDfan

Not that I am aware of, however, the old La Jolla Commons project was reduced in height (32 story to 15 story) partially because the FAA was concerned about Miramar's proximity. I've seen proposals up to 350' in UTC, but they've all been scaled back (La Jolla Commons and Costa Verde being examples).

Every time they put in a new high rise though placing a height limit seems to come up.

Are you positive about the FAA being the reason the Commons got scaled back? I never heard that before but did hear they scaled back at the time due to market demands and financing for reasons. It seems odd if their location would interfere with Miramar air traffic.

[spoonman]

Originally Posted by Nerv

Every time they put in a new high rise though placing a height limit seems to come up.

Are you positive about the FAA being the reason the Commons got scaled back? I never heard that before but did hear they scaled back at the time due to market demands and financing for reasons. It seems odd if their location would interfere with Miramar air traffic.

Yes, I believe it was the economy tanking which really killed the original project. The project was originally a large speculative office building, Mandarin Oriental hotel, and residential. There were FAA issues with Miramar, as I recall, however I believe that the developer was able to mitigate those concerns through the funding of some type or radar equipment (beacon?).

FWIW, if height is measured from Sea Level, the UTC tower at 23 floors is probably as high as the proposed 35 fl Mandarin Oriental and office building as the latter sits at the bottom of a hill. This doesn't account for distance to Miramar, of course.

Here was the original La Jolla COmmons project rendering. You can actually see one of the 3 towers (the office building in the back) was built as originally proposed. One of the towers was shortened and the other eliminated entirely (the one in front of the parking structure).

[JerellO]

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/...hq2-story.html

Bidding war, do you guys think we have a chance?

Also, the San Diego County courthouse is being redeveloped with 2 towers(1 office and 1 residential) and a park in mind... curious to see how designs turn out.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/...905-story.html

[SDCAL]

Originally Posted by JerellO

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/...hq2-story.html

Bidding war, do you guys think we have a chance?

Also, the San Diego County courthouse is being redeveloped with 2 towers(1 office and 1 residential) and a park in mind... curious to see how designs turn out.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/...905-story.html

We don't have a chance. The sad thing is I think we would have a chance if HQ1 was on the East Coast, but I don't see a major company like Amazon having both their HQ on the west coast, doesn't make any sense.

[Nerv]

I think we are a long shot with amazon too.

Unless the past rumors about them wanting to move their base outside of Washington is true. I checked on some of the states media reaction to this story and they look at it as a loss for the state with the company not expanding there anymore. Amazons long term plans for their HQ could be in line with Boeings thinking that their HQ should be in a place more central to their business as they continue to move forward with expanding into new areas with business like the Whole Foods acquisition. What they are doing is a great way to see what other cities are willing to offer them vs what they are currently getting too from Washington. One article had San Diego as part of 39 city "finalists" with offers and that's a pretty good pool of offers to get a baseline off of.

Here's some of Washingtons reaction: http://www.seattletimes.com/business...tical-circles/

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Nerv

Unless the past rumors about them wanting to move their base outside of Washington is true.

Amazon isn't moving anywhere? They just built/are still building a massive headquarters in downtown Seattle. They're just looking for a "second headquarters" (whatever that means).

[spoonman]

For all we know this could all be BS to leverage for better treatment from the government in Washington state. I'm not that knowledgeable but it seems that Amazon (along with Microsoft) has helped elevate Seattle to where it is today relative to its peer cities (SD, Minneapolis, Denver, Phoenix).

[mello]

I'm very excited to see the proposals for the old courthouse site and man would that be a perfect spot for 700 to 800 foot tower right smack in the middle of the skyline would be an amazing Pinnacle and take our skyline to a whole other level.

Regarding Amazon HQ2 I see Nashville getting it, hip young city tons of people want to move there and housing is still cheap, many people forget that Tennessee has no state income tax. I heard they want to be in a city that doesn't have outrageous housing costs. Charlotte may work but it is kind of a boring sterile place where as Nashville has soul.

What could San Diego realistically offer? The whole Qualcomm site so they could build office and housing? All of Tailgate Park and The MTS busyard that is about 8 city blocks?? Would JMI be willing to give Amazon that land he controls it is such a waste just sitting there as a parking lot should be an Arena or Corporate HQ for sure.