Northeast False Creek | Proposed

[Metro-One]

Also Fredinno the area you have outlined at Hastings Park is planned to become a relocation / expansion of playland.

[fredinno]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

Also Fredinno the area you have outlined at Hastings Park is planned to become a relocation / expansion of playland.

...oof. Thanks for letting me know.


I doubt the inside of the racecourse loop is usable for anything.



There's still the former proposed Whitecaps Waterfront Stadium Lands.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitec...rfront_Stadium

I don't think anything else has been proposed here, and is still reserved as future stadium lands?
It is less wide than the Concord Pacific Lands, though it still has a similar available area (due to the presentation centre holding up a large portion of the current lands)



Vanier Park's Parking Lot could also be redeveloped into event space, though Bard on the Beach would probably want to use that lot for itself. (though you might be able to turn the current Bard on the Beach lot to gravel- but this proposal was already turned down by the community). Not to mention you would need to build replacement parking somewhere, and there's not that much room nearby, and a Parkade is probably not that viable (maybe under Burrard Bridge?)

If this doesn't work, yeah, moving it outside Vancouver into, say YVR is probably the only way. There's not really any other large lots of empty land in Vancouver that can host it.


Sorry if this is causing any issues with the discussion.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by fredinno

There's still the former proposed Whitecaps Waterfront Stadium Lands.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitec...rfront_Stadium

I don't think anything else has been proposed here, and is still reserved as future stadium lands?
It is less wide than the Concord Pacific Lands, though it still has a similar available area (due to the presentation centre holding up a large portion of the current lands.

The area you show was not where the stadium was planned. The area you show is part of the Port, and unless something has changed, can only be used for Port related activity. The stadium was going to be built over the tracks.

[Tetsuo]

Concord lands are going to be available for a long time, so will the lot by Cambie bridge, Trillium/St Pauls site would probably be gone by then.

When there's no more lots downtown to use, we'll probably see parks being utilized.

Brockton Pavillion would be great for a winter festival.

City of Vancouver could always have a "winter's fair" at the PNE grounds, city and suburban types, otherwise smaller events in the city proper, and more family sized car dependent events SOF.

Above are bringing in the possibility of YVR, better yet, use the former industrial grounds just off the Canada line off Kent in South Vancouver, snag the Richmond Night Market after it's current site is developed

Either way, more events like these the better !

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

In the haters' defence, most of our main attractions - even the newest ones - would be D-listers in other big cities. We're getting closer, but we're not there just yet.

Ok, I'm not an Aurora defender, but Toronto has what looks like exactly the same setup and price as Vancouver's Aurora Festival. Do they qualify as a big city?

I went last night. We liked it. It wasn't amazing, but lined up with my expectations. It is unfortunate that there is a high entrance price, and most items are still pay inside. The highlight was definitely the ice "river". It was a nice layout, and a pretty good size for something that is temporary. It's not every day you get to skate around in downtown Vancouver, outdoors. I've been to Robson rink. It's much smaller, and crowded as hell. We skated for at least 45 mins and I could have stayed all night.

Other stuff was nice. Go early to avoid lines, and of course the lights look nice at night. Rain would be a real PITA so I'm glad we went when we did.

Kids of a certain age will like it. They have a few characters and stuff for pictures and interactions. Bring your own skates to avoid the rental $$. Food trucks are the same you can find anywhere else, avoid most except maybe the treats. They sell booze all over the place so you can get loaded and walk around the park, which seems to be important to a lot of people (for a high price of course).

We spend our money on experiences more than stuff, so this was fine, if pricey. We do a lot of the free activities too, and they are typically crowded AF.

I'll say this is objectively the best winter attraction in the city, regardless of cost, since that's a different metric for everybody.

[SpongeG]

it just seems crazy to pay to get into something that you have to pay more to do anything once inside, paying to buy stuff.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

it just seems crazy to pay to get into something that you have to pay more to do anything once inside, paying to buy stuff.

Yes... not only are the things inside paid, but they are expensive. $4 the rides, $8 for a beer. I find the Christmas markets worse, even though the entry is less, because there's literally nothing free inside.

If you go to Aurora and bring your own skates, you can do the skating, "magical forest", and tube (weekdays), for free. Not bad.

[fredinno]

Originally Posted by Changing City

The area you show was not where the stadium was planned. The area you show is part of the Port, and unless something has changed, can only be used for Port related activity. The stadium was going to be built over the tracks.

...what? On top of the tracks?

Source?

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Yeah, the City would have to negotiate with the Port. The area (with the heliport) is currently designated as a 'special study area' or 'transition area'.

https://www.portvancouver.com/wp-con...ement-1994.pdf

https://www.portvancouver.com/wp-con...01_reduced.pdf

according to the Central Waterfront Port Lands Policy:

Encourage three primary roles for the VPC site:
• as a key regional transportation centre; • as a location for tourism and related commercial activities; and • as a location for community facilities and services.
1.2 For transportation, support cruiseship, SeaBus and fast ferry terminals, a heliport and links to public transit (SkyTrain, buses, commuter rail, etc.). Consider practical future demands in determining the size of these facilities. Consider integrating transportation functions as far as practical.
1.3 For tourism, support a convention/exhibition centre, hotels, tourist-commercial uses, entertainment activities and public attractions.
1.4 For the community, maintain the existing Portside Park as a local park and support other community-oriented facilities in association with the park. Ensure the park remains a comfortable green space for the community’s use, including residents living nearby, workers and other users.
1.5 Organize the site into three areas, as shown in Figure 2, to focus:
• predominantly downtown-related activities, such as transportation, tourism, commercial uses and compatible housing, in a downtown-oriented area at the western end of the site; • the park, public facilities, and other compatible uses in a community-oriented area at the eastern end of the site; • uses compatible with the park, which may include public facilities and housing, in a transition area between the downtown and community-oriented areas of the site

Overall pretty vague, and leaves room for interpretation, but it still seems to be allowed on the site.

I'll leave it up to others to decide how they want to interpret this, though.

[SpongeG]

the stadium was discussed at great length years ago on the forum, you can probably dig up the thread.

here is some info from wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitec...rfront_Stadium

and a render

alcherton.com

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

the stadium was discussed at great length years ago on the forum, you can probably dig up the thread.

here is some info from wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitec...rfront_Stadium

and a render
[IMG]https://alchetron.com/cdn/whitecaps-...-4343-b3f7-284http:// http://waterfront.vancouverp.../stadium-2006/75d75a73-resize-750.jpeg[/IMG]
alcherton.com

wikipedia isn't always accurate. That was the possible alternative location once it became obvious that the stadium wouldn't fit over the tracks that had been purchased by the owner of the Whitecaps. (He bought the Landing building and the parkade across the street now being developed as an office as well). This has the two sites. http://waterfront.vancouverplanning..../stadium-2006/ The Port were not interested, or unable to allow a non-port operation.

[SpongeG]

I know he must be young cause that was from 2005 at least

[logan5]

Oh man what a venue that would be. The back drop to that stadium would be stunning, and probly one of the most beautiful settings for a stadium in the world, especially in the summertime. Great venue for shows too. Hope that idea gets revisited. Never know.

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by fredinno

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Vanier Park's Parking Lot could also be redeveloped into event space,...

The area outlined is not Vanier Park parking.
It's the Burrard Marina parking lot that stores both boats and cars.

[Feathered Friend]

You can inform the design of a new walking, rolling & cycling path! #DunsmuirConnection

Come to Stadium-Chinatown Station at Dunsmuir St. (Sept. 7, 11 am - 2 pm) and Sept 11 (3 - 6 pm) to learn more or complete the online survey: http://ow.ly/ea1Q50vZX4w

https://twitter.com/greenestcity/sta...910094336?s=20

[Migrant_Coconut]

Pretty basic stuff - how would people commute on the "High Line," how important are views, how important are connections to the SkyTrain/seawall/stadiums, how important is seating/lighting/the view/art... shouldn't be a lot of controversy for this one.

[Migrant_Coconut]

New survey for the Dunsmuir Connection (link). Also an open house at the downtown VCC campus this Wednesday from 6 to 9.

[Aroundtheworld]

I think the big that's being forgotten here is the sound generated by the Skytrain.

Not many people are going to want to go for a romantic stroll with a Skytrain screaming by every minute.

[scryer]

Originally Posted by Aroundtheworld

Not many people are going to want to go for a romantic stroll with a Skytrain screaming by every minute.

What.... the actual.... f. What about the cars zooming by or the crying kids, barking dogs, electrical whine from the streetlamps? Are we designing this city for life or for instragam stories?

[Migrant_Coconut]

One of the survey questions indicates that there'll be a sound barrier for the SkyTrain, so there's that.

Could go either way, sure, but I should point out that Tokyo (for one) has several parks atop much louder roads, and most are pretty pleasant.

[Aroundtheworld]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

One of the survey questions indicates that there'll be a sound barrier for the SkyTrain, so there's that.

Could go either way, sure, but I should point out that Tokyo (for one) has several parks atop much louder roads, and most are pretty pleasant.

The problem is the guideway pretty much runs right beside the greenway (not much vertical or horizontal offset).

I noticed a barrier in the survey but it seemed more just as a visual barrier, not a sound one.