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Old Posted Jan 22, 2017, 5:59 AM
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London's influence is quite large and populace.

Due to it's central location, having the main airport in SWO, nearly all main roads/freeways in Southern Ontario merging there, all rail corridors and VIA lines, 2 big and important schools, a major medical and government centre, as well as the regions centre for shopping, restaurants, and entertainment, London is a big draw.

The city has 390,000 but is the regional and de facto "city" where people go in all areas except Windsor/Essex. Some areas are the same distance between London and Kitchener but London is the draw not KWC. London is "downtown" for all the people of Huron, Perth, Oxford, Middlesex, Elgin, Chatham-Kent, and Lambton counties. This represents a population of about 1.05 million.
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London's influence is quite large and populace.

Due to it's central location, having the main airport in SWO, nearly all main roads/freeways in Southern Ontario merging there, all rail corridors and VIA lines, 2 big and important schools, a major medical and government centre, as well as the regions centre for shopping, restaurants, and entertainment, London is a big draw.

The city has 390,000 but is the regional and de facto "city" where people go in all areas except Windsor/Essex. Some areas are the same distance between London and Kitchener but London is the draw not KWC. London is "downtown" for all the people of Huron, Perth, Oxford, Middlesex, Elgin, Chatham-Kent, and Lambton counties. This represents a population of about 1.05 million.
It's certainly not true for Perth County.
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London's influence is quite large and populace.

Due to it's central location, having the main airport in SWO, nearly all main roads/freeways in Southern Ontario merging there, all rail corridors and VIA lines, 2 big and important schools, a major medical and government centre, as well as the regions centre for shopping, restaurants, and entertainment, London is a big draw.

The city has 390,000 but is the regional and de facto "city" where people go in all areas except Windsor/Essex. Some areas are the same distance between London and Kitchener but London is the draw not KWC. London is "downtown" for all the people of Huron, Perth, Oxford, Middlesex, Elgin, Chatham-Kent, and Lambton counties. This represents a population of about 1.05 million.
I agree with this mostly, but Chatham-Kent would be split in half, with east of the city of Chatham going to London and west of Chatham to Windsor, even though the city of Chatham is closer to Windsor than it is to London. But the City of Chatham is really in the sphere of the Windsor/Detroit region more than anything, and Detroit Metro Airport is the main airport for the city. The draw of a region of 5.5 million is much more than one of 500,000. CBC Windsor has Chatham in its service region, Chatham receives all of Detroits tv stations, and Detroit newspapers are also sold there in many places.
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Same here:

https://www.google.ca/maps/place/QC-...!4d-74.5865563

To the left, Gatineau(-Ottawa) influence dominates, and to the right it's Montreal.

Grenville is across from Hawkesbury and so has a connection to Ontario, and this turns its gaze more towards Ottawa and Gatineau. But as soon as you go east from this intersection, instantaneously the LeDroit (our local paper)'s boxes vanish from the side of the road and LaPresse (Mtl) boxes appear.

Just 10 minutes away, Lachute is firmly in the orbit of Montreal.
I'm surprised this split is so far east of the geographic centre between Ottawa and Montreal. Given Montreal's much larger size, I would have expected its influence to actually extend west of the geographic centre.
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I'm surprised this split is so far east of the geographic centre between Ottawa and Montreal. Given Montreal's much larger size, I would have expected its influence to actually extend west of the geographic centre.
If you look at it on a map, Eastern Ontario is like a giant wedge that gets a lot closer than you might think to the outskirts of Montreal.

Also, on the north side of the river, it's more "Gatineau(-Ottawa)" influence that you have than purely Ottawa influence.

And as we've said, Montreal's influence seeps into Ontario around Hawkesbury.
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It's certainly not true for Perth County.
Perth county is a bit of a split. Certainly areas east of Stratford are in Kitchener' sphere, I would say Stratford is a 50/50 split, while the west/St.Mary's is London.

CK is mostly London. Tilbury is Windsor but most of the county is closer to London and Chatham city is mid-way but London is significantly larger than Windsor and more of a shopping, entertainment, government, academic, and medical draw. No offence intended for Windsor but London is the regional center and people tend to gravitate more to it.
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Perth county is a bit of a split. Certainly areas east of Stratford are in Kitchener' sphere, I would say Stratford is a 50/50 split, while the west/St.Mary's is London.

CK is mostly London. Tilbury is Windsor but most of the county is closer to London and Chatham city is midway, but London is significantly larger than Windsor and more of a shopping, entertainment, government, academic, and medical draw. No offence intended for Windsor but London is the regional center and people tend to gravitate more to it.
The draw of the Windsor/Detroit area far, far exceeds that of London, lol, it's not even close. You can't exclude the Detroit area from Windsor, it's one big connected urban region. People in Chatham go to Detroit almost as much as People in Windsor do. I'll give you medical for London, but the old city of Chatham is in the Greater Windsor/Detroit area, and its offerings far outweigh anything London can offer, being 10 times the size, that's not surprising. Windsor to Chatham is 82.8km, London to Chatham is 115.2km, so a fair amount closer to Windsor. That said, London does still attract a lot people from the area, and is the regional centre for much of Southwestern Ontario, but I just think that you greatly underestimate the draw and offerings of Windsor and Essex County, who's population is about 400,000 now.
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If you look at it on a map, Eastern Ontario is like a giant wedge that gets a lot closer than you might think to the outskirts of Montreal.

Also, on the north side of the river, it's more "Gatineau(-Ottawa)" influence that you have than purely Ottawa influence.

And as we've said, Montreal's influence seeps into Ontario around Hawkesbury.
A good example there is store sign that has both Shoppers Drug Mart and Pharmaprix on it. I don't know of anywhere else in Canada where you can find that.

https://www.google.ca/maps/@45.59838...7i13312!8i6656
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Good points, except it's much more expensive and longer travel time to travel from Stephenville to Halifax, which includes a ferry. Stephenville to St. John's surface travel is both faster and much cheaper, basically for the price of gas. Therefore there is more interest in travel by air to Halifax. In BC, likewise, many people will chose to travel from Vancouver to Victoria by air to avoid the ferries, even though the airports are only 40 miles apart.
This made me laugh, until the oil boom st john's was viewed as a foggy sloppy mess.

Actually it still pretty much is.

I have 1 friend out of 10 who actually likes the place and he's left the island once in his life.
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The draw of the Windsor/Detroit area far, far exceeds that of London, lol, it's not even close. You can't exclude the Detroit area from Windsor, it's one big connected urban region. People in Chatham go to Detroit almost as much as People in Windsor do. I'll give you medical for London, but the old city of Chatham is in the Greater Windsor/Detroit area, and its offerings far outweigh anything London can offer, being 10 times the size, that's not surprising. Windsor to Chatham is 82.8km, London to Chatham is 115.2km, so a fair amount closer to Windsor. That said, London does still attract a lot people from the area, and is the regional centre for much of Southwestern Ontario, but I just think that you greatly underestimate the draw and offerings of Windsor and Essex County, who's population is about 400,000 now.
The other thing to note is that Devonshire Mall in Windsor is now the largest mall in Southwestern Ontario and it is constantly expanding and renovating. It's bigger than both of London's malls (White Oaks and Masonville...and White Oaks has been going downhill). Both Devonshire Mall and the Windsor Crossing Mall draw a LOT of people from Chatham as does Caesars casino.

Things have really changed since the '80s and '90s and sometimes I wonder if ssiguy has been living away from this region a bit too long to accurately comment on things like this.
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I think we shouldn't see "spheres of influence" as discrete entities with hard boundaries. In reality, there is a lot of overlap between between these spheres. One place can fall under multiple spheres of influence. That place probably has its own sphere of influence too. A sphere of influence might be partly an extension of one or more spheres of influence. It is very similar to the concept of culture. Maybe what we are really talking about is a city's culture, its cultural influence. Because what we are really talking about is people, and how they are connected to places, not just physical connections but also social connections. And of course when we talk about cultures, we are not talking about discrete entities either, because cultures also overlap and interact and influence each other.
Could the sphere of influence of a medium sized city be like a bubble in the sphere of influence of a larger city?
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Could the sphere of influence of a medium sized city be like a bubble in the sphere of influence of a larger city?
Sure, Toronto's sphere of influence is definitely in the influence of it's ultimate muse, New York
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A good example there is store sign that has both Shoppers Drug Mart and Pharmaprix on it. I don't know of anywhere else in Canada where you can find that.

https://www.google.ca/maps/@45.59838...7i13312!8i6656
Edmundston, not for Shoppers particularly, but most of the stores are hybrids of the Quebec/English NB names.
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Could the sphere of influence of a medium sized city be like a bubble in the sphere of influence of a larger city?
Definitely. In Winnipeg's case because it is the dominant city in such a large region, it has its immediate hinterland, basically within a 100 km radius of the city. However, Brandon, Kenora and Grand Forks to an extent have their own spheres of influence, which could be considered an extension of Winnipeg's.
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Could the sphere of influence of a medium sized city be like a bubble in the sphere of influence of a larger city?
Ottawa is a perfect example of this.

It anchors it's own region, but for some niche big city stuff like permanent amusement parks, some concerts and shows that get by-passed, weekend getaways, Pro sports other then hockey etc., Montreal and Toronto both draw in the Ottawa crowd.
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Ottawa is a perfect example of this.

It anchors it's own region, but for some niche big city stuff like permanent amusement parks, some concerts and shows that get by-passed, weekend getaways, Pro sports other then hockey etc., Montreal and Toronto both draw in the Ottawa crowd.
Kingston is like this too. We have our own region/sphere of influence that extends outwards about a 45 minute drive out of the city in any direction, incorporating Belleville, Napanee, Ganonoque, Westport, etc. And in turn we're part of Toronto's and Ottawa's spheres of influence.
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Kingston is like this too. We have our own region/sphere of influence that extends outwards about a 45 minute drive out of the city in any direction, incorporating Belleville, Napanee, Ganonoque, Westport, etc. And in turn we're part of Toronto's and Ottawa's spheres of influence.
I'm just wondering how many multi levels we can bring this.

Hamilton's in Toronto's, Saint Catherine's in Hamilton's, Welland is in Saint Catherine's , and Port Colbourne in Welland's ?

Btw, WestPort s a great place to spend a day..Wheeler's Pancake house isn't too far either..
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I'm just wondering how many multi levels we can bring this.

Hamilton's in Toronto's, Saint Catherine's in Hamilton's, Welland is in Saint Catherine's , and Port Colbourne in Welland's ?

Btw, WestPort s a great place to spend a day..Wheeler's Pancake house isn't too far either..
Really, there are so many cities in the Great Lakes region, bigger and smaller, that if you sought hard enough you'd find that there would be overlapping spheres of influence all over the midwest.
You'd have people asking how could Toronto's sphere of influence expand all the way to Kansas City.
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Edmundston, not for Shoppers particularly, but most of the stores are hybrids of the Quebec/English NB names.
Edmundston, NB has some good examples of Quebec influence outside of Quebec. It has an IGA Extra store (part of Sobeys but Sobeys uses the IGA name in Quebec) which is funny because of Sobeys being such a big name in the Atlantic provinces. In fact, that store once was a Sobeys!

The KFC has both PFK and KFC on the signs.

It does have a Shoppers Drug Mart (no Pharmaprix on the sign) but the other signage in only in French.https://www.google.ca/maps/@47.37158...8i6656!6m1!1e1

Edmunston is about 95% French speaking I believe and Acadian. Most of the signs are in French but many are bilingual. I would say the town would be less bilingual for commercial signs if it wasn't located on the Trans-Canada Highway and U.S. border.
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