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Old Posted Nov 17, 2007, 12:50 AM
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I noticed in Marks post (214) "Apartments rising up in South Waterfront" Prometheus is planning a 325' apartment tower to possibly break ground in 2009.........I was getting a little concerned that there were not going to be anything built in the Distric above 250' in the future. This is good news.
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Old Posted Nov 26, 2007, 3:37 AM
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posted some new pics from this friday over here: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...=90344&page=54
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Old Posted Dec 1, 2007, 1:14 AM
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Block 49 design review submission for 06Dec07

Ankrom Moisan submitted a document for a design review on 06Dec07 at 13:30 for block 49. A full block six story mixed use building with some type of LEED certification.(pg2)(pg 6,12) There will be one level of underground parking. There is some parking at street level within the U shape. (pg 36)

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1.http://www.portlandonline.com/shared....cfm?id=171423

Some of the postings in this thread that refer to block 49 are Brg #330, #336, MarkDaMan #206,#335 CouvScot

The images were take from the document in source 1.


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↸ Thanks for the info, guys!
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Old Posted Dec 3, 2007, 3:15 AM
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Thumbs up Block 49

You guys forgot the obligatory AMAA website renderings:











It will be a good solid building for SoWa - its got some personality and will fit right in with Block 46 right across the street.
I'm not going to be complaining when the shortest building in SoWa is only 6 stories.
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Old Posted Dec 11, 2007, 9:05 AM
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Atwater rental on Craigslist 2br $2500 1400 ft^2

I found this rental for the Atwater on craigslist. There are photos posted. This link will be broken as soon as the add expires or is rescinded.
2br 2 bath
$2500 for 1400 ft^2
About $1.78 ft ^2
http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/apa/502817340.html

$2500 / 2br - First month half-off! 2BR/2BA 1400sqft in Atwater Place
Reply to: hous-502817340@craigslist.org
Date: 2007-12-08, 9:49AM PST


BRAND NEW, 1400 sq/ft 2 bedroom, 2 bath condo with great open floorplan (floorplan layout pic below), and park view in the Atwater Place right in the heart of the quickly developing South Waterfront. Kitchen features hardwoods, high-end Bosch/Amana stainless appliances, granite slab countertops with full granite kitchen backsplash, cherrywood cabinets, and large granite topped kitchen island. Both bathrooms have marble slab and travertine tile. This unit also includes a dining nook, HUGE utility/storage room, walk in kitchen pantry, 8x10 balcony with park view and gas hookup. Building features secure parking and entry as well as full-service concierge. Heat/AC, gas, garbage, water, concierge and HOA's included. Seconds from OHSU, streetcar and waterfront. Sorry, no dogs/no smoking. Cats ok. Available around 12/15. 1 year lease required.

BONUS: Offering 1st month half off!!!!
Security Deposit: $1000, refundable
Cleaning fee: $250, non-refundable
Screening: $45 per person 18 and older, non-refundable
Additional secure 6x8 storage available for $100/mo.
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Old Posted Dec 12, 2007, 12:49 AM
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^ouch! That is waaaay to expensive for me!
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*bump*

11 months later... anyone heard anything?

can we presume on hold as the market shakes itself out?
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Old Posted Jan 2, 2008, 6:59 AM
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Construction update

I took these photos that comprise this image at 1806 on Tue 01Jan08.



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http://aycu04.webshots.com/image/396...6058423_rs.jpg

3720
The 3720 has glass installed as high as the fifteenth floor.

Atwater
I saw people with their lights on and even a couple enjoying the preparation of a meal. I don't know if the ratio of lights that are lit around 1900 is a very good way to aproximate occupancy. Other buildings in the area seemed to have slightly more units lit. Though it is the holiday period and some tenets reside other places during the winter. A particular example in the Meriwether is an older couple that live Palm Springs during the winter and visit there children here at times during the summer.
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Craigslist rental survey

I made a quick survey of craigslist at about 0200 on Wed 02Jan08. I made my best effort to exclude any duplicates such as the daily postings for #807 at the John Ross. I included Harrison data and was suprised that the Harrison had a higher unit cost. It must be the difference in location and 24 hour/day of free laundry in the basement Some of the company names were amusing; such as aggressive property management



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bldg, price, feet, sqft cost, bed, bath, unit

meriwether 1950 1600 1.22 2 2 12th
meriwether 2395 1323 1.81 2 18th
meriwether east 2500 2032 1.23 2 2.5
meriwether west 2200 1605 1.37 2 1113

atwater 2275 1400 1.63 2 2

john ross 1145 638 1.79 0 1 807
john ross 1375 800 1.72 21st
john ross 3200 2300 1.39 2 2.5 4th
john ross 1350 800 1.69 18th
john ross 1475 863 1.71
john ross 1695 1206 1.41 1 1 2118
john ross 1700 1200 1.42 1 1 22nd

strand 1500 1
strand 1395 842 1.66 1 1

harrison west 1050 579 1.81 1 1 3a
harrison west 1625 980 1.66 2 2 4th
harrison west 1099 4th
harrison west 1859 1000 1.86 2 2 22D
harrison west 1099 609 1.8 1 1 3C
harrison west 1459 965 1.51 2 1 1D
harrison west 1799 1000 1.8 2 2 7H
harrison east 1899 1000 1.9 2 2 18H 7th
harrison west 1399 750 1.87 1 1 10F10th

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Old Posted Jan 3, 2008, 2:35 AM
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Those prices are outrageous! I used to live in the Rose Friend Apartments (site of the future Ladd Tower) and paid $550/month for a 600 sf unit, including all utilities. To think that was just 2 years ago..
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Old Posted Jan 3, 2008, 3:51 AM
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Those prices are outrageous! I used to live in the Rose Friend Apartments (site of the future Ladd Tower) and paid $550/month for a 600 sf unit, including all utilities. To think that was just 2 years ago..
Depends upon your perspective - from down here the prices look cheap cheap cheap. $3,000 a month for 1,000 square feet in a decent neighborhood is pretty typical in LA.
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Old Posted Jan 3, 2008, 9:14 AM
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Castillonis, regardless of the rent costs down in the SOWA, love that pic you posted above. That really stands out (for me) as one of the best shots I've seen of SOWA. Buildings popping out everywhere. Nice shot......

If only the rogaine worked as well......
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"It features a slender tower set atop a five-story podium" I wish these stories would describe these buildings correctly. Its not a tower its a slab building. From Wikipedia "Towers are tall human-made structures, always (and usually much) taller than they are wide".
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Old Posted Jan 4, 2008, 1:34 AM
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Those prices are outrageous! I used to live in the Rose Friend Apartments (site of the future Ladd Tower) and paid $550/month for a 600 sf unit, including all utilities. To think that was just 2 years ago..
Comparing new construction vs existing construction...??? The Rosefriends was an old building (I think I recall it being built in 1900-1910 from Brian Libby's blog--http://chatterbox.typepad.com/portlandarchitecture/2007/06/a_tragic_day_fo/comments/page/2/#comments). And allegedly not a very nice one on the inside. With the exception of the Harrison, these buildings are brand new, nice inside and out, and on the water. And the Harrison was recently remodelled so that's not really a comparison either.

I am constantly confused why I hear thse kind of comparisions: old, essentially run down, and among the cheapest places vs nice, new, and the most expensive places. Of course something built today is going to be substantially more expensive than something built 100 years ago. That makes complete sense to me.
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Comparing new construction vs existing construction...??? The Rosefriends was an old building (I think I recall it being built in 1900-1910 from Brian Libby's blog--http://chatterbox.typepad.com/portlandarchitecture/2007/06/a_tragic_day_fo/comments/page/2/#comments). And allegedly not a very nice one on the inside. With the exception of the Harrison, these buildings are brand new, nice inside and out, and on the water. And the Harrison was recently remodelled so that's not really a comparison either.

I am constantly confused why I hear thse kind of comparisions: old, essentially run down, and among the cheapest places vs nice, new, and the most expensive places. Of course something built today is going to be substantially more expensive than something built 100 years ago. That makes complete sense to me.
You're correct, the Rose Friend was built in 1906 I believe. Having lived in such an "old" building and several new buildings (back when I lived in LA) and having toured several of the newer buildings in downtown Portland, including the Harrison (I'm considering purchasing a condo), I don't see much of a difference. The Rose Friend's plumbing, sound attenuation, and electrical were all fine. Often times, the only significant differences are unit size and on-site parking; however, we're starting to see new units that are just as small, if not smaller, than those of older housing stock (the Cyan comes to mind) and lower parking ratios than 10 years ago. Old buildings fall into disrepair when owners don't take care of them, just like a newer building can fall into disrepair after 10-20 years if maintenance is deferred. I'm confused why the Harrison would command such high rents. I found the Rose Friend far more comfortable to live than the Harrison.

The point of the comparison, to clear your confusion, is that new doesn't necessarily mean better. And when the cost differentials are so significant, new is far from better.
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That's curious, because I used to live in an old, historic building downtown and paid $650 a month (2 years ago). Compared to the "luxury" condos being built that I have been in there are notable differences between what I lived in and the SOWA towers (I don't think the Harrison qualifies as luxury). My place was right around 550 sf and had views of the river and mt hood so it came in at $1.20 sq ft

For example:

historic building
- no parking on site (this is about a $150 - $200 swing downtown)
- no washer and dryer in my unit
- kitchen was very small and low end finishes
- carpet throughout
- low ceiling height (8'-0")
- exposed mechanical junk (sprinklers, etc.)
- I could faintly hear my neighbors in their unit and I could definitely hear outside my front door all the time

SOWA towers I have the model units (The meriwether and the John Ross)
- parking included
- washer and dryer in the unit
- kitchens were legit and high end finishes
- hardwood floors
- no visible mechanical "stuff"
- ceiling seemed to be more like 8'-6" or 9'-0"
- don't know about the sound, but my guess is you would never hear anything
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cirque de sul is coming to the south waterfront again.
http://www.portlandonline.com/shared....cfm?id=179400
Proposal:
The applicant requests Design Review approval for some of the work associated with setting up operations for the Cirque du Soleil theatrical circus on a vacant site in South Waterfront. Tents, office trailers, and a staff kitchen will be set up on the site. Site work includes the following:
Install a temporary fence and gates, water and sewer connections, concrete culverts, a spill containment berm, and shallow trenches;
Prepare existing concrete surfaces on the site so they are free of protrusions and flush with the ground;
Place fill material consisting of well-graded gravel or crushed stone to specified lines and grades to eliminate depressions and to ensure adequate drainage;
Construct eight ground anchors made of concrete; and
Cover most of the site with new asphalt paving.
The circus will operate from March 4th through April 13th. Afterwards the site will be restored to its original condition, with the exception of the proposed gravel and asphalt. Site restoration will occur through April 25th, 2008. Per the site lease agreement with OHSU, the new gravel and asphalt paving will be removed by December 31st, 2010 at the latest.



http://www.portlandonline.com/shared....cfm?id=179484
Proposal:
A new full-block, six-story mixed-use building on “Block 49” of the South Waterfront District was approved via Casefile LU 07-153880 DZM AD. The site is currently a paved surface parking area bordered by SW Lowell Street, SW Bond Avenue, SW Bancroft Street and SW Moody Avenue. The proposed development will include five floors with 209 (affordable) apartments above a first floor and lower level. The street level will include a residential lobby space and a streetcar stop. The remainder of the street level will include retail spaces, a 50-space covered garage with driveway access onto SW Bond, a loading bay and underground garage entry drive facing SW Moody, and divisible office space wrapping the remainder of the east, south and west sides of the building. The lower-level of the building will include additional parking spaces, a long-term bike parking room, and a second loading space.

A total of approximately 166 on-site parking spaces are proposed for this development. Of this total, approximately 50 parking spaces will be Growth Parking for Retail Sales and Service use. On weeknights after 6:00 p.m. and on weekends, these 50 parking spaces are proposed to be shared with the Old Spaghetti Factory restaurant, which is located on the adjacent property to the east, on the east side of SW Bond Avenue.

Per Zoning Code Section 33.510.267.A.6.b.(2), if there are more than 20 parking spaces of any type on the site, parking created in conjunction with Retail Sales and Service uses is subject to a Central City Parking Review (CCPR). Because the total number of parking spaces for this development will exceed 20 spaces, the proposed 50 parking spaces for Retail Sales and Service use require approval of a CCPR.





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Old Posted Jan 13, 2008, 3:53 AM
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nice pic Dougall.....wow, the 3720 went up fast. almost topped out...and the new proposal...i like the building...BUT...another 250 footer! arrrrgggghhhh...oh well....dubai we are not... ; )
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lol, so much for green roofs!

These "towers" aren't very pointy.
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