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Old Posted May 17, 2016, 11:32 PM
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The custom home market in Toronto is enormous. It's hardly confined to a particular area either. Most strategically keep a wall or foundation of the original house to be considered a renovation by city staff. That could be where the difference in stats is unless it is the same in Vancouver.
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Here's a demo/rebuild in Parkview Hills. Most people even in Toronto haven't heard of the area; it's like a mini Greek version of forest hill. Parkview Hill Crescent

https://goo.gl/maps/FJ83NqFuq2y

Taylor Dr

http://maps.google.com/maps?layer=c&...3.0%2C5.927971
Yeah, you can find quite lot of that in outer Toronto, a lot of ethnic/immigrant "nouveau riche" teardown enclaves. Greeks in Parkview Hills, Chinese in Willowdale, Orthodox Jews around Lawrence/Wilson etc.

In Vancouver it seems that the Chinese are singled out in the outrage over "monster homes."
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Old Posted May 18, 2016, 12:20 AM
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That's because west is best.


You can keep going west (to Mississauga) because the old grained urbanity extends to Long Branch. Mind you this is all near the lake, anything north of Queensway is deep suburbia except for Bloor.
And along Bloor it may not be "hip" but it's already wealthy, so it can't get "hipsterized."
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Old Posted May 18, 2016, 12:43 AM
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The custom home market in Toronto is enormous. It's hardly confined to a particular area either. Most strategically keep a wall or foundation of the original house to be considered a renovation by city staff. That could be where the difference in stats is unless it is the same in Vancouver.
Very good point.
I see the "skeletons" of old bungalows all around East York. I used to think it was some silly heritage restoration loophole and forgot the sheer cost/% for contractors to build a new foundation. It's a smart technique.
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Old Posted May 18, 2016, 12:54 AM
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Royal York/Bloor area is similar to point grey.
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Actually the avoidance of total demolition in favor of renovations is particularly prevalent in vancouver, to preserve buildable density, because many lots are zoned for a lower density than that occupied by the existing house - often the vancouver Specials. Development charges are trivial in comparison. Despite that, the place still has the highest number of demolitions of any Canadian city, even in absolute numbers, as discussed on another thread.
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Old Posted May 18, 2016, 3:38 AM
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All to same scale-

Royal York/Bloor:


Point Grey:


Bridle Path:


Southlands


York Mills:


Chartwell & British Properties:


Westmount & Altamont


Caulfeild & Eagle Harbour


Rosedale & Moore Park


Shaughnessy


Canada's most expensive house is actually quite tiny in comparison to the stuff in Point Grey, Southlands, Bridle Path, etc
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Old Posted May 18, 2016, 5:26 AM
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Royal York/Bloor area is similar to point grey.
Yeah, Point Grey/Dunbar does kinda look like the Kingsway area even though they have a more liberal/intellectual vibe due to the influence of UBC.

The Annex I guess doesn't really have a Van counterpart (and Van doesn't have a major downtown university), though Kits and Point Grey would have a lot of the intelligentsia demographic in Van.

To what extent do we emphasize urban form and what extent demographics when making these comparisons?

Since Van is smaller and younger, it doesn't really have a "rowhouse belt" equivalent and gives way to early 20th century SFHs earlier. And what's an outer suburb in the GTA might be an inner suburb in Van (think Oakville and West Van, or southern Mississauga and North Van, to some extent Richmond and Markham as well).

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The University Endowment Lands did apparently have its own "Bridle Path" at one time:

http://www.uelcommunity.com/docs/New...r_Mar_2014.pdf
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Perhaps it's just me but overall I'm not seeing a lot of convincing similarities between these 2 cities to justify the premise of this thread.

There are some that do a good job matching up in look, feel and function:
- Kitsilano / Beaches
- West End / Church Wellesley
- Concord Pacific / Cityplace
- Yaletown / King Spadina is pretty good too

The others are pretty thin comparisons (Coal Harbour / Yorkville) or arbitrary comparisons like all those nice wealthy areas that tend to look and feel similar across many NA cities.
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Surrey/Brampton is the best comparison in the suburbs. I don't know what the GTA equivalents of Burnaby or Coquitlam are though, and there's no York Region-type area in the Lower Mainland.
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One way of thinking about this is - if people move from Toronto to Vancouver and vice-versa, what neighborhoods are they attracted to (if they want a similar type neighborhood)?

People from Commercial Drive might like say, the Roncesvalles area or the Junction. People from Kitsilano might feel most at home in the Beaches. Someone from West Van might get some feeling of "home" in Oakville. There's the obvious Richmond/Markham and Surrey/Brampton comparisons.

Has anyone lived in both cities and tried to seek out the neighborhood that best "fits" their old one?
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I don't think Shaughnessy and Forest Hill have anything in common except being old and wealthy.

Forest Hill is all old red brick Victorian and Edwardians while Sh is a mixture of Tutor, 1950s, and Chinese rebuilds ranging from wood to stucco but very little brick. The lawns and roads of SH are much wider than FH and FH lots are much smaller and hence is much more densely populated.
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^^ you're being too literal.

anyway funny this thread is revived, i was watching some videos about the vaughn subway extension and was wondering what would the equivalent area be in Vancouver? would it bee like the evergreen extension? or more like a surrey extension of the skytrain to guildford?
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I don't think Shaughnessy and Forest Hill have anything in common except being old and wealthy.

Forest Hill is all old red brick Victorian and Edwardians while Sh is a mixture of Tutor, 1950s, and Chinese rebuilds ranging from wood to stucco but very little brick. The lawns and roads of SH are much wider than FH and FH lots are much smaller and hence is much more densely populated.
You're confusing Forest Hill with Rosedale. FH is filled with neo-Tudor homes (and newer or greatly renovated mansions) and has no Victorians at all. It was basically built up in the 1920s/1930s.

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^^ you're being too literal.

anyway funny this thread is revived, i was watching some videos about the vaughn subway extension and was wondering what would the equivalent area be in Vancouver? would it bee like the evergreen extension? or more like a surrey extension of the skytrain to guildford?
Vaughan has no Van equivalent really. There isn't even one census tract that's 1/3 Italian in Van let alone a giant suburb. I guess Surrey and Vaughan were built up around the same time and are about the same distance away, but there's a big ethnic and class difference between the two.
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Vaughan has no Van equivalent really. There isn't even one census tract that's 1/3 Italian in Van let alone a giant suburb. I guess Surrey and Vaughan were built up around the same time and are about the same distance away, but there's a big ethnic and class difference between the two.
Italians keep getting pushed further east. Commercial Drive used to be Italian, then East Hastings east of Hwy 1, but they're losing that too it seems.
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Italians keep getting pushed further east. Commercial Drive used to be Italian, then East Hastings east of Hwy 1, but they're losing that too it seems.
"Pushed"? I'm sure pretty sure they left the Drive voluntarily, long before it became gentrified.

And there aren't any CTs that are more than 12-15% Italian anyway. They don't really have the critical mass to keep Italian concentrations going, like in the GTA, Montreal or NY/NJ.
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Thought it would be interesting to compare suburbs in both metros. For municipalities of 100,000+ (2011 NHS). University degree is a proxy for professional-managerial class; 1980 is the cutoff year between newer and older suburbs. Unfortunately the amalgamation of Toronto makes the comparison of the inner suburbs difficult, as Burnaby for example is more of an inner suburb.

University degree

GVRD:

Burnaby 37.6%
Richmond 36.7%
Coquitlam 33.3%
Delta* 26%
Surrey 23.7%

GTA:

Richmond Hill 47.3%
Oakville 46.1%
Markham 40.4%
Mississauga 36.9%
Vaughan 35.8%
Ajax 25.6%
Brampton 24.7%

Dwelling built after 1980

GVRD:

Surrey 74.6%
Richmond 64.5%
Coquitlam 59.8%
Burnaby 52.9%
Delta 38.7%

GTA:

Vaughan 91.1%
Richmond Hill 81.2%
Markham 77.3%
Ajax 75%
Brampton 71.5%
Oakville 65.1%
Mississauga 60.8%

* I included Delta (98,000) even though it's just short of the cutoff.

Van doesn't really have a "York Region" equivalent.
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"Pushed"? I'm sure pretty sure they left the Drive voluntarily, long before it became gentrified.
Everyone who makes money in Canada is being pushed east, yes, regardless of ethnicity.

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Thought it would be interesting to compare suburbs in both metros. For municipalities of 100,000+ (2011 NHS). University degree is a proxy for professional-managerial class; 1980 is the cutoff year between newer and older suburbs. Unfortunately the amalgamation of Toronto makes the comparison of the inner suburbs difficult, as Burnaby for example is more of an inner suburb.
Not including the north shore suburbs makes this pretty useless since West Van and District of North Van are the most wealthy/highly educated regions along with some pockets of the west side.
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