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Old Posted Jul 14, 2009, 11:29 PM
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Is the Museum Tower is 200 m?
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 14, 2009, 11:42 PM
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leave it to a ron paul nut job to give doomsday opinions and horrible advice....in every thread.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 15, 2009, 3:16 AM
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Museum Tower is 179m. About twice that is ~360m, so Verre should be slightly larger than twice as high.
     
     
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leave it to a ron paul nut job to give doomsday opinions and horrible advice....in every thread.
I can't vouch for Starsky or his opinions on skyscrapers, but I'm pretty sure Ron Paul is laughing at you right now.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 15, 2009, 11:55 AM
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Not to alarm anybody, but this is just an alternative idea...

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2009/07/prweb2641024.htm
Axis Mundi unveils Conceptual Alternative Design for MoMA Tower at 53 West 53rd Street



July 15, 2009 -- As the city takes stock in a post-boom era, architect John Beckmann sees this as the time to rethink the tall buildings that have become synonymous with New York City's identity.

"Instead of disguising the rich potential of towers that have a mix of uses, we looked for a way to express that diversity," Beckmann explained. The firm used parametric computer-modeling software to test a wide range of possibilities. Out of this iterative process, Beckmann and his firm, Axis Mundi, proposes a new way to organize and express tall buildings: the Vertical Neighborhood.

"A more diverse, complex, heterogeneous, and environmentally minded city need no longer be represented on its skyline by one-note architecture that makes a singular visual image and little else," explained John Beckmann, the founder of Axis Mundi, a Manhattan-based architecture firm.

Rethinking Hines Tower Site

Beckmann proposes a conceptual alternative to business-as-usual, choosing the site of the proposed 53W53rd, among the city's largest skyscraper proposals in one of the most overbuilt parts of Midtown. Hines, the developer, engaged Paris architect Jean Nouvel, who designed an 82-story hotel and residential tower higher than the Chrysler Building. The site was purchased from the Museum of Modern Art with the proviso that the project would house additional gallery space for the museum.

The Axis Mundi proposal is timely since the Hines MoMA tower is currently moving through the city's Urban Land Use Review Process (ULURP).

Flexible Floors, Open to Views

The architectural diversity Beckmann envisions starts with a double-ring, multi-level floor-plan unit, anchored by two cores that run the full height of the building, containing elevators, stairs and other vertical services.

The ring units called "SmartBlocks" make possible a wide variety of floor plans. Single-unit layouts can mix with duplex, or triplex layouts. The units can shift in and out, adding rich texture to the surface, creating vertical garden space, and linking the units in unique ways.

The malleability of the ring units accommodates living and working, extended families, and new forms of tenancy and ownership. Any grouping of these could be purposed for a hotel. The building is enriched by the multiplicity of forms and textures people create within their vertical neighborhoods.

By varying the mix of the floor plan units, the Axis Mundi design leaves space for vertical fissures that move irregularly up the tower. These bring light and breezes into the open centers of the double-ring units and frame spectacular, theatrical vistas to the city through the building's own structure. Neighbors can see and greet each other along spacious bridges and balconies rather than scurry by each other in long, dark hallways.

Fitting In With Porous, Richly Variegated Surface

"Historically, the skyscraper was a unitary, homogeneous form that reflected the generic, flexible office space it contained," Beckmann says. "The Vertical Neighborhood is more organic and more flexible--an assemblage of disparate architectural languages. It reflects an emerging reality for tall buildings as collections of domestic elements: dwellings, neighborhoods, streets."

Axis Mundi has conceived the tower at a scale akin to, rather than dramatically exceeding, the heights of this very densely built-up Midtown neighborhood. The richly modeled surface and the fissures of space help to reduce the structure's apparent scale and join it more seamlessly to a neighborhood that mixes offices and residential towers, brownstones, apartment buildings, hotels, and clubs.

A dramatic through-block public arcade connects W. 53rd and W. 54th streets, offering access to new MoMA galleries on up to three levels above. Contiguous with the museums' existing exhibit space, the galleries twine back on themselves, like a Möbius strip.

Above that, Axis Mundi sets aside a three-story-high volume that can be developed as a community-gathering space.

Their proposal seeks to inform the discussion of the Hines MoMA tower and other tall buildings. "The design reinforces the urban identity of tall buildings," observes Beckmann. "It suggests new expressive possibilities in an urbanism of difference rather than of homogeneity.

In a city where more than 300 languages are spoken, architecture can celebrate that diversity rather than see it as a problem that must be solved."

Axis Mundi is an interdisciplinary architecture and design firm based in New York City. (www.axismundi.com)

Height: approx. 600 ft
Floors: 50 above (2 below)
Building Footprint: 17,000 square feet
MoMA Expansion Galleries: 32,500 square feet
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Can't put down the creativity.....
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Umm, thanks but no thanks. I think I'll take Jean Nouvel's Tower Verre.
     
     
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So this is what our great country has come to....God help us!
     
     
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Who the hell thinks this is a good idea? This putrid "modern art" shit is truly disgusting. I have never been offended by a proposal, but this did it. Any architect so idiotic to even THINK about replacing the Tour de Verre with this idiotic, architecture-less, dump of metal is a disgrace. He should be ashamed to call himself an architect.

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Just be glad this is a hypothetical alternative, and not an actual proposal. Its purpose is to spark discussion, and maybe draw some ideas out of that discussion.
     
     
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Switch the modern art to having each part be a different style (modernist, art deco, neo-classical, ...) and I know I'd love to see it. In my own hood, that is. NOT replacing the current design (which is awesome).
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Old Posted Jul 16, 2009, 12:30 AM
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Kinda reminds me of that tower errected by the first sons in the game "Infamous" you know the one with the boss battle when you finally get to the top.

It was also made of garbage.
     
     
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NO NO NO NO! >_< this is wrong and gross, this is not architecture at all


on a side note perhaps this will get the Nimby's to re-evaluate their position on the actual design, tall but beautiful, or short but a total POS
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Old Posted Jul 16, 2009, 2:14 PM
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Just be glad this is a hypothetical alternative, and not an actual proposal. Its purpose is to spark discussion, and maybe draw some ideas out of that discussion.
Yeah, it should shake those NIMBYs into reality with what they are likely to get now - a masterpiece. That idea is similar to the 56 Leonard Street proposal, but nowhere near as nice.
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Yeah, it should shake those NIMBYs into reality with what they are likely to get now - a masterpiece. That idea is similar to the 56 Leonard Street proposal, but nowhere near as nice.
lol, it seems to me that someone has to bring the big guns in to shake the nimbys. and yeah, i hope this one stays only as an alternative... nothing can beat the TV!
     
     
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Looks like a vertical version of a shanty town in Brazil or something......
     
     
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