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http://archpaper.com/news/articles.asp?id=6674

The Titans Cometh
Mammoth mixed-use developments get underway on Greenpoint, Brooklyn waterfront.






5.29.2013


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Plans for the development of the Greenpoint, Brooklyn, waterfront have been simmering on the backburner since the 2005 rezoning that opened previously industrial land to mixed-use purposes and increased allowable building heights. Now, the heat’s been turned up. On May 6, before a crowd of local residents, developers unveiled two significant projects set to rise along the edge of Newtown Creek: the colossal Greenpoint Landing project and the development at 77 Commercial Street.

Park Tower Group, the developer of Greenpoint Landing, detailed their plans to build more than twenty towers on a 22-acre site. Most of the 30- to 40-story buildings, comprising 5,500 apartments, will be market rate with nearly 1,500-units reserved for affordable housing.

“Greenpoint Landing will reconnect this vibrant neighborhood to the waterfront, said Gary E. Handel, president of Handel Architects, which is designing the project. “Urban design, architecture, and landscape [led by James Corner Field Operation] all share a common goal, which is to make a development that links into existing neighborhood fabric, brings it down to the waterfront, and then ties into the beautiful necklace of parks that is arising on the Brooklyn waterfront.”

While the bulk of the development is residential, it will also include retail, a public school for Pre K through 8th grade, and more than a mile of promenades along the water. Handel plans on using materials, such as brick, stone, concrete, and metal, which draw upon “the industrial heritage of the site.”

A number of community members, however, expressed their concern about the integration of affordable housing in the development. Others questioned whether the already limited transit in the area could handle a growing population of commuters, and how these developments would withstand rising sea levels and flooding.

“The sense that I got from that meeting is that people are upset or discontent with aspects of the 2005 rezoning and they want to be able to voice that,” said Councilman Stephen Levin. “The fact of the matter is the zoning went through in 2005. That was eight years ago. Greenpoint Landing has a significant as of right footprint. If folks want to have an impact and work on convincing the developer to adopt or enter into conversation about these issues, they have to be organized.”

Regardless of objections from the community, Park Tower is moving full speed ahead. They will enter a 6-month Uniform Land Use Review Process (ULURP) this June and begin construction by end of 2013 or beginning of 2014.
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YES!!! Sounds good to me.

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Old Posted Jun 18, 2013, 3:42 PM
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Lessons for the up and coming NIMBY...


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WTF is ULURP? Community Workshop on Greenpoint Landing and 77 Commercial St – Next Thursday 6/27





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As a community, we will discuss what is “as-of-right” (per the 2005 Waterfront Rezoning) and what is still negotiable as these two developments approach certification and “ULURP” approval.

This is an opportunity to share ideas about what’s at stake, what we might gain in the ULURP process and how to prioritize our negotiating position.

Take advantage of this chance to get expert insight into the civic mechanism that is, typically, the last opportunity for the community to have input on impending development.

I hope they really get that "as-of-right" lesson.
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I think they nailed the color for this development. It fits perfectly in Brooklyn.

But as with just about every other waterfront development in the city, it will probably be astoundingly boring at street level. I feel like all of it is lost potential.
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Old Posted Jul 3, 2013, 1:36 PM
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http://greenpointers.com/2013/07/02/...ulurp-meeting/

“A Giant Sandwich is Landing on Greenpoint” –
Notes on Greenpoint Landing & 77 Commercial St ULURP Meeting






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July 2, 2013


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On Thursday June, 27th, 2013 GWAPP and NAGG organized a public meeting in response to the public meeting at McCarren Park that took place on May 5th, in which residents were shocked and offended by presentations made by representatives of Greenpoint Landing and 77 Commercial St and unclear on the ULURP process.

Dewey Thompson of GWAPP began the meeting last Thursday by explaining that we were not there to discuss the 2005 Rezoning of the Greenpoint and Williamsburg Waterfront, which allows for the building of 30-40 story towers on the waterfront at the soon to be Greenpoint Landing – an “enormous development,” that will “change the landscape in every way.”

Despite this, concerns about the 2005 rezoning where on the minds of residents. Instead the meeting was to discuss what is “as of right,” meaning what can be built based on the current zoning and how we can articulate what we want in the ULURP process as a “coherent voice,” with respect to the 77 Commercial St and Greenpoint Landing projects.

...ULURP, which stands for Universal Land Use Review Procedure, is “a standardized procedure whereby applications affecting the land use of the city would be publicly reviewed. The Charter also established mandated time frames within which application review must take place.” Basically it makes the process predictable for the developer. The time that each party can review the project is controlled so no one can hold up the process in order to prevent the proposed development.







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The metaphorical sandwich proposed was a Pastrami Double Decker with Cream Cheese, Butter, Bacon and Bleu Cheese. What the game showed is that at this point the community can only negotiate for the details of the sandwich, like should it to be a double decker, with or without cheese or as one community member requested “kosher?”

At the end of the game, the message was that while the community has three public hearings in order to negotiate the details of the sandwich, once the ball is rolling, it really is in the hands of the Mayor. All the other “players” like the City Planning Commission, who “really make the decision” ultimately report to the Mayor who is the last to review the proposal. The majority of projects that go into the ULURP process get approved with some modifications. A final cynical but realistic note was the question to the audience: “who funds the mayoral race?” Developers, of course!

In the case of Greenpoint Landing the proposal to be reviewed includes a public school, additional affordable housing (431 units) and waterfront access via Newtown Barge Park, with $2.5 million in funding volunteered by Greenpoint Landing and $4.5 million funded by the city....What was a bit confusing was the “trade off of property” between the city and the Greenpoint Landing Associates. Inland property for a public school near “sludge tanks” and property for affordable housing will be traded by Greenpoint Landing in exchange for waterfront property from the City. Greenpoint Landing will also build the affordable housing that was previously promised and never built by the City.

Another asked whether it’s a “pie in the sky naive question” to ask whether the area can be “rezoned back?” which NAGG’s Ward Dennis said it is, and that the rezoning added a lot of value to the property so there will be a lot of resistance to changing the zoning back.

“There is a fight there,” added Dewey Thomas of GWAPP, “but not at this meeting.”

Lincoln Restler responded that the community needs to hold our Mayoral candidates to the fire in order to get a “downzoning” of the waterfront, followed by a loud applause. He later added on Facebook that ”there should be no negotiation on 4000 unit Greenpoint Landing. We must downzone the waterfront and stop this reckless development.”

Still, many attendees were looking for hope to downzone the area from the 2005 rezoning, especially in terms of the height of the buildings. They want to FIGHT THE TOWER!


Regardless of what the 2005 rezoning allows, the idea of 30-40 story towers on the Greenpoint Waterfront is something that many residents find threatening on many levels and unfathomable with respect to the current landscape. The idea that nothing can be done at this point is not an acceptable answer.
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Shut up. Even the reporter is an idiot -

"Despite this, concerns about the 2005 rezoning where on the minds of residents"

I'm not the biggest stickler, but seriously, that's egregious.
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Greenpoint is so ugly - the above renderings (with the brick & casement windows, which are seemingly the new norm) would be a major improvement to the current conditions of the lumber yard, and much better than the rest of the neighborhood as well. The area is mostly vinyl-covered townhomes - it's not nice.
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Some minor rezoning, mostly to do with the inclusion of a school and some City owned property...


http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/pdf/env_...cp004k_eas.pdf


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SAVE THE DATE: PUBLIC HEARING ON GREENPOINT LANDING (8/13)





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August 7, 2013

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The ULURP process has begun for the impending Greenpoint Landing development on the Greenpoint waterfront, which is a 22-acre, 10-tower development that will radically impact Greenpoint life as we know it. Just thinking about the G Train with possibly 10,000 new commuters is mind boggling.

Unless we take on the huge task of trying to REZONE the waterfront, as we learned in the recent community workshop, much of the development can be built as-of-right under the 2005 rezoning, but the developer is proposing a few changes that require consideration.

This is where you come in! Come to the Public Hearing!

Tuesday August 13th 2013 at 6:30pm there will be a Public Hearing at Community Board 1, to take place at Automotive High School (50 Bedford Ave)

This is the first phase of the ULURP Process and it’s important you come and share your opinion on the proposed changes to the already happening development.
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They do have a point when it comes to the G train. Everybody in N. Brooklyn is all too familiar with it's poor upkeep, especially the Greenpoint tube, which is currently undergoing extensive repairs. I'm just curious how the MTA plans to handle it a few years down the road. I for one would rather get my teeth pulled than have to deal with that commute, given the rates I'm sure the residents will be paying to live there.

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They do have a point when it comes to the G train. Everybody in N. Brooklyn is all too familiar with it's poor upkeep, especially the Greenpoint tube, which is currently undergoing extensive repairs. I'm just curious how the MTA plans to handle it a few years down the road. I for one would rather get my teeth pulled than have to deal with that commute, given the rates I'm sure the residents will be paying to live there.
I can only think of the subway pushers in Tokyo. I wonder if that will ever come to NY. The city will have to find a way to alleviate this traffic because this isn't the only development which will strain these subway lines.
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This project would be a step in the right direction. Major skyline change though.
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They do have a point when it comes to the G train.
Well, they are not alone in the City when it comes to better subway service. That's part of a larger discussion that should be had on transportation. Truthfully, the time for any real discussion about what this development is was a few years back when the rezoning was approved. The problem is, some of the people who are bitching now probably didn't live there back then.

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Stop the genocidal destruction of these beautiful, fenced-off, divine, useless, majestic, empty, sacred, dusty lots!
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Very interesting article in the Times about architectural renders as political tools, using Greenpoint Landing as a case study: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/27/ny...tate.html?_r=0

The comments, of course, are rage-inducing for both sides of the debate.
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Not all of Greenpoint is ugly. Some stretches of Franklin Street and its surrounding blocks rival Park Slope and Brooklyn Heights in their brownstone beauty.
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Very interesting article in the Times about architectural renders as political tools, using Greenpoint Landing as a case study: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/27/ny...tate.html?_r=0

The comments, of course, are rage-inducing for both sides of the debate.

I'm shocked that the NIMBYs would use scare tactics...




Two illustrations of the same project, Greenpoint Landing. At right is an architectural rendering drawn several years ago
for the proposed development, in Greenpoint, Brooklyn. At left is a rendering used by a group called Save Greenpoint.



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