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Originally Posted by Acajack
Not necessarily speaking for myself, but I think most people's concerns (well, those who have them anyway) are more cultural and behavioural as opposed to ethno-racial.
(I realize this takes a bit of punch out of the "bunch of racists!" argument.)
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I don't think most racists are purely or even primarily colorists. They typically ascribe unfavorable behaviors to a race, and often point to culture (although sometimes genetics, as well) as the cause of such unfavorable behavior. E.g., "blacks are criminals" or "Muslims are terrorists" or whatever, and that is often blamed on culture (e.g., "black culture" or "urban culture" and, of course, with Muslims a mix of religion).
I don't think this matters either way. No one is trying to make racist punches. You're being very defensive, and I think it's unwarranted.
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Originally Posted by Acajack
The main reason you are seeing a contradiction in my views is because you see me as a racist xenophobe.
If you saw me as a normal person capable of seeing the multiple facets of issues from several angles, you wouldn't have this problem.
Typical "true believer" behaviour, as usual.
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Again, being needlessly defensive.
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Originally Posted by JM5
Please help me understand why?
It seems natural to me that you would prefer to live in a society better tailored to your own values where others feel generally the same way so that there is no need for a lot of top down regulations that tell you what you should do. Instead, on the odd occasion when faced with a choice that's not to your immediate benefit or liking, you would probably make a minor sacrifice to fit in. You would see this as a duty owed to the people you truly care about, not really for the sake of society as a whole.
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- I like being exposed to different cultures, values, beliefs, etc. and choosing from them what I think works.
- While there may be clashes between cultures, I think sunlight is the best disinfectant. I enjoy the discourse. Ideas and values and beliefs competing in a marketplace.
- I like the options it provides. You can still have monocultural communities within multicultural societies, and also multicultural communities within such societies.
- I think it's a big factor in attracting talented people from across the world. It's a major selling point when a place is diverse because you know when you go there, you will kind of just fit in because there are many people from wherever your from or at least many people who just recently came.
- In many countries' constitutions, they provide for the freedom of mobility. I think as humans on Earth, it would be ideal if we could live and work where we please. I acknowledge there can be compelling circumstances to limit such mobility. But instead of the current regime, where entry to a foreign country is entirely regarded a privilege that can be revoked at any moment without advance notice or appeals, I'd prefer a system where states can only prohibit entry for cause. Of course, what is "for cause" leaves a lot of latitude, and I'm fine with allowing for things like probability of material economic harm or societal unrest. But within that, I'd hope we move toward greater customs liberalization over time.
- Even in places where there is "one culture", such cultures are still further divisible into communities of humans. For example, there are socioeconomic classes of humans even in monocultural societies, and these groups exhibit different behaviors and even values. I feel that in some multicultural places (like Toronto), that other factors by which humans separate themselves, like level of educational attainment or income, cut deeper than skin color. Culture is a nebulous term. The point is, you'll still need regulations, and there are monocultural societies with high levels of regulations. If you also study the burgeoning of regulations in places like the US, they developed before any mass immigration of non-European groups, in part with the growth of the administrative state. It's not really multiculturalism, but things like technological progress and changes in the values of the natives.
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Originally Posted by BobLoblawsLawBlog
You can hold onto your language and culture, but you have to assimilate and speak the language.
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Thank you, massa.