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Old Posted Nov 1, 2013, 6:31 PM
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Can we keep the subway talk in the subway thread?

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Yeah, it's all hypothetical until the council approves the plans... and funds them...
EXACTLY. There is no "news" to report on this front, and there probably won't be any for a long long long time (decades, I suspect).
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Old Posted Jul 22, 2014, 7:44 PM
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Portland 2035

Looks like we are getting an interactive sneak peek at the new comprehensive plan for 2035.

A number of things in this plan I was expecting to see, hopefully the city follows through with a number of these plans. If that happens 2035 Portland will be even more amazing than today.

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Portland planners on Monday released a sneak peek of the city's future -- or one fun-to-play-with version of it, anyway.

A new, high-tech map application shows the city's 20-year roadmap that could guide development patterns and prioritize public investments for transportation and parks.

At its core, the 2035 draft Comprehensive Plan outlines the type of Portland that planners hope to create in the next two decades and the path to get there.


Streetcar and light rail: The city's map includes three potential streetcar routes headed by the Bureau of Transportation.


As we've already highlighted, planners are looking to reduce allowable densities in parts of east Portland that are already bursting at the seams.


Corridors and centers: Click just about any major thoroughfare – Sandy Boulevard or Milwaukie Avenue or MLK

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/i...anding_an.html
And here is the link to the interactive map.

http://www.portlandmaps.com/bps/cpmapp2/#q1
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Ah, the O-live idiot commenters are out in full force.
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I'm afraid to even look.

As I mentioned in the Open Thread, there's a staggering number of transportation projects in there. I can't quite work out what the significance of it all is. Are we meant to read something into the fact that they're showing a streetcar along Sandy to Hollywood TC, but not along Belmont? Both were included in the streetcar system concept plan.

Portland has a great history with its plans. The 1972 Downtown plan contained the ideas that led to the creation of the transit mall, Pioneer Square, the Pearl District and Waterfront Park. I just wonder if there's so much in here that nothing is more important than anything else?
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I'm afraid to even look.

As I mentioned in the Open Thread, there's a staggering number of transportation projects in there. I can't quite work out what the significance of it all is. Are we meant to read something into the fact that they're showing a streetcar along Sandy to Hollywood TC, but not along Belmont? Both were included in the streetcar system concept plan.

Portland has a great history with its plans. The 1972 Downtown plan contained the ideas that led to the creation of the transit mall, Pioneer Square, the Pearl District and Waterfront Park. I just wonder if there's so much in here that nothing is more important than anything else?

Thank you for posting your insight on the Portland Reddit page.
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Old Posted Jul 25, 2014, 7:50 PM
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City’s Comp Plan makes it clear: Portland is mostly finished adding auto capacity

In case you weren’t sure whether Portland is truly unusual as mid-sized U.S. cities go, the 20-year comprehensive plan map released this week ought to make it clear.

The plan might be the city’s clearest statement ever that it’s betting everything — not just the future of biking or riding mass transit, but everything — on being able to make car-lite transportation dramatically more attractive than it is now.
“To get the most out of the infrastructure we’ve got, you’ve got to get people into other modes. That’s part of preserving the capacity for people who need it.”
— Joe Zehnder, Chief Planner, City of Portland
Because the city calculates that 122,000 new households will arrive in Portland by 2030 — that’s 50 percent more than it has today — it needs to increase the capacity of its streets. But instead of doing this by knocking down buildings for turn lanes, onramps and parking garages, almost everything on the city’s transportation agenda (with the notable exception of truck and rail freight improvements) would contribute to reducing the amount of space the average person takes up while they’re moving around.
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Old Posted Jul 26, 2014, 12:53 AM
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...continues at BikePortland.
That is great news, it will be really interesting to see how Portland evolves to a city that have people commuting by so many different modes of transportation.

I also like that in the plan it looks like East Portland will be getting some needed attention with potential parks and transportation for that part of the city.
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Old Posted Jul 26, 2014, 3:53 AM
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Why is the density being lowered right next to the brand new light rail? Looks like East Moreland got some special treatment, because their land value is going to sky rocket!
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Why is the density being lowered right next to the brand new light rail? Looks like East Moreland got some special treatment, because their land value is going to sky rocket!
They are focusing the density/development from East Moreland into Woodstock.

Seems like a strategic decision to focus gentrification into poorer neighborhoods, while leaving the wealthier neighborhoods alone. Guess who funds the politicians?
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They are focusing the density/development from East Moreland into Woodstock.

Seems like a strategic decision to focus gentrification into poorer neighborhoods, while leaving the wealthier neighborhoods alone. Guess who funds the politicians?
Pretty much, that is the only explanation for this one. Though that might lead to a streetcar line or something running to Woodstock as that neighborhood becomes more dense and active.
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The minimum size for a new lot in an R5 zone is 3,000 sq ft. In most eastside neighborhoods the lots were originally platted at 50' x 100', for a 5,000 sq ft lot. These can't be further divided, because of the minimum lot size requirements. In Eastmoreland there are many 75' x 100' lots, which can be split in two. This has led to a lot of houses on large lots being demolished and replaced with two lots. The neighborhood association is really angry about this.

I saw Charlie Hales speak about this somewhere—Bright Lights?—and the point he makes is that for as angry as it makes people, it doesn't actually achieve much for the city's growth goals. Every house demolition only leads to one more dwelling unit. i.e., you could have 100 houses demolished in Eastmoreland, and 200 new houses built, for a net increase of 100 units, and you still wouldn't have as many new dwelling units as a mid-sized apartment building in a commercial corridor. However you would have a lot of voters who are angry at the city, and who might vote in politicians who are less in favor of smart growth.

So as much as I support development, I think he has a strong point. R7 better reflects the current character of the neighborhood than R5 does anyway. Given the land use patterns around the Bybee station, I don't think that's ever going to be a highly used station.

Also, given that there's a bunch of down zoning proposed in East Portland, I don't think it's fair to characterize this as special treatment for rich neighborhoods.
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Seems like a strategic decision to focus gentrification into poorer neighborhoods...
Isn't this redundant?
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This was on the front page on the NW Examiner this month, and incidentally was not identified as an opinion piece. There are some amazing logical leaps being made here. About the only thing she didn't suggest was that tall buildings lead to child pornography.

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The South Waterfront, with three 325-foot-tall buildings, is the Bureau of Planning and Sustainability’s model for the North Pearl. Photo by Suzanne Crowhurst Lennard

New development in the Pearl, Goose Hollow and West End is increasingly trending towards high-rise apartments and condos. While many residents want increased density in these downtown neighborhoods, they are concerned about the effects of new tall towers on livability. Yet the Bureau of Planning and Sustainability seems intent on facilitating skyscraper development in these areas, as they have in the South Waterfront.

Over the last year, BPS has been presenting drafts of the West Quadrant Plan to the Stakeholders Advisory Committee. The issue that has raised the greatest discussion, particularly from members of the public, has been building heights.
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Don't want to be surrounded by high rises? Don't live downtown. Geez, that's almost as bad as Willamette Weekly.
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Seriously, who complains about tall buildings being built in downtown? It isn't like developers are mowing down neighborhoods to build towers everywhere.
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This is one of the most disjointed examples of word processor diarrhea I've seen put into print.

Some of the assertions:
-Living in a tall building guarantees social isolation, negatively impacting one's immune system
-Glass siding can melt cars
-If a building is tall, then cafes, street level windows, calmed traffic, wide sidewalks and trees and benches cannot exist
-" It may be a primeval instinct, but humans do not feel comfortable lingering in narrow, deep, dark canyons."
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I find it absurd that the author resides in the Pearl and wrote that steaming pile of shit. She should see on a daily basis that all of the points you mentioned, and the rest of the ones in her article, are simply not true.
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Lots of times people who are opposed to tall buildings in their neighborhood have a view that they don't want to lose. They start making up all kinds of reasons that developments should be stopped because they bought their view first.

When I lived in NW most of the people who complained the loudest wanted all the new development on the east side of the river, as long as it wouldn't impede their view.
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So I went on a bit of a rant on the NW Examiner site. Reposting here:

I take issue with the fact the fact that this was on the front page of the NW Examiner, without being flagged as being an opinion piece. Obviously the author doesn't like tall buildings, and she has a right to that opinion. I might however gently suggest that if she is so uncomfortable with tall buildings, then living in the central city of a 2.3 million people region might not be the best life choice. The vast majority of the land area in Portland (and its suburbs) is zoned exclusively for single family residences, with low height limits. It's also worth noting that Portland also some of the lowest height limits of any major US city.

I feel like I could go through this article line-by-line refuting it, but it being late at night, I'll stick to the worst lines:

"North of Lovejoy, development may be of unlimited height—in other words, higher than the Wells Fargo Center." Yes, this is true, however the author (deliberately?) neglects to mention that there are Floor-Area-Ratio limitations. i.e. the taller a building gets, the skinnier it is has to be. This creates an effective height limit.

"Thus, the tallest buildings tend to be luxury units, often for global investors." The Cosmopolitan (Block 15) is the first large condo building to be built in Portland since the recession. All the other buildings under construction are for rent, and thus not available for global investors. If one looks at tall buildings built before the recession, such as the Cyan or Indigo, they rent at rates that are in line with the prevailing rents for new buildings in downtown.

"Tall buildings inflate the price of adjacent land, thus making the protection of historic buildings and affordable housing less achievable. In this way, they increase inequality." How does a tall building inflate the price of adjacent land? Perhaps in the same way that luxury cars inflate the price of compact cars? This doesn't make any sense.

"This form of investment leads to speculation. Placing economic gains above livability also leads to housing bubbles." Whereas single family homes in Nevada and Florida never create bubbles?

"These global investors rarely visit their condos, reducing the local population actually living in the area. This jeopardizes the economic viability of grocery stores and other businesses dependent on a local residential population, further risking a neighborhood’s livability." The density of the Pearl has made it commercially viable for Whole Foods and Safeway to open. New Seasons is under construction at the Conway site. Is the author seriously suggesting that stores will be under threat of closing?

"Tall buildings may also decrease a community’s livability and street-level comfort (e.g., fewer ‘eyes-on-the-street,’" I've read Jane Jacobs too. How exactly does a taller building have fewer eyes on the street?

"Humans are social. Social isolation is one of the worst forms of punishment humans have devised." How does a tall building increase social isolation? Is someone who lives on the 20th floor less capable of interacting with people than someone who lives in a single family home in Happy Valley?

"Solitary elders often do not fare well in the upper floors of a high-rise. They may spend much of the day alone at home, and they cannot even see human beings from their window." Again, how is an old person who lives in a high rise less able to see other people than someone who lives in a low rise building? The Mirabella Senior Living in South Waterfront is a great example of how a tall building can actually benefit seniors - with short horizontal distance to travel due to the small floor plates, seniors with reduced mobility can still live with a large degree of independence.

“On average, towers consume 50 percent more energy per habitable square foot of floor space than do mid-rise structures.” I'm pretty skeptical of this statistic. How would a unit in a tall building consume more energy than one in a lower rise building? Of course, if the author's concern was really in reducing energy usage, she would be writing an article against old single family homes, which use massive amounts of energy due to larger facade areas, poor (or non-existing) insulation, and large travel-to-work distances. Never forget that America's most sustainable city is New York. People in Manhattan particularly use a fraction of the energy per person than the average American does.

"Moreover, high-rise buildings are constructed with materials (steel and glass) that require more energy in their manufacture." Over the lifespan of a building, the embodied energy of a building is dwarfed by the energy used to maintain it. Any difference in embodied energy created by additional structural requirements is irrelevant when measured over decades.

"The “greenest” building is the older mid-rise building readapted and reused for modern times." Have I missed that there is somewhere in Portland with a huge supply of vacant older buildings ready for adaptive reuse?

"High-rise buildings diminish the hospitality of the street in several ways." Is the author seriously making the case that there is a poor street environment at the Brewery Blocks, which has two 189' buildings? Or around the Indigo, which is 266'? I guess all those people crowding the streets in front of Anthropologie, West Elm, Henry's, Sur La Table, Lardo, Grassa and Blue Star Donuts just aren't sufficiently in touch with their primeval instincts.
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